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Portland sends Travis Outlaw/Lamarcus Aldridge
Portland Receives: Luol Deng/Tyrus Thomas

Chicago Sends Luol Deng/Tyrus Thomas
Chicago Receives: Travis Outlaw/Lamarcus Aldridge

Why?

The Bulls clearly made the wrong selection in the draft and is in a dire need of a back to the basket scorer, thomas is a defensive menace, however, he clearly needs work on his offense.. Deng is a good second scorer and really compliments what the Blazers want to do

Bulls Become

PG:Kirk Hinrich/Ben Gordon Chris Duhon
SG: Travis Outlaw/Ben Gordon/Sefolosha
SF: Andres Nocioni/Outlaw
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge/Smith
C: Joakim Noah/Wallace

This looks to be a team that could defend, and score well with Aldridge being a big scorer for them

Blazers become

PG: Jack/Rodriguez/Blake
SG: Roy
SF: Deng
PF: Thomas
C: Oden

This is a team that would be a terror defensively and would be balanced at each position. I really like this team and think that the additions of Deng and Thomas would be great for their team.. Oden and Thomas compliment each other beautifully defensively and would really create havoc blocking shots. Also this would make the blazers a better fast breaking team and give them more options in the half court with both Deng and Roy on the perimeter.. Plus Thomas would add a lot of rebounding for the Blazers which they need

I think picks could be put in for either team, but the basis of the team would give each team what they need in the future

Should you really start out a trade by saying Chicago made a mistake and ask Portland to correct it by reswapping LMA for TT? Granted Luol > Outlaw, but right now I'm not sure it is enough to compensate for Chicago's "mistake" in the '06 draft. Besides, LMA is a great complement to Oden. I'm sure his rebounding will improve and once Oden is back to clean up the boards the Blazers fast break will improve substantially. There are very few big men who can beat Aldridge down the court.

Dengs value isn't as high as LMA or Outlaw....this is a no go from Portlands side..

This deal won't happen. Bulls get a good big and a decent talent for two overrated guys?

Aldridge isn't going anywhere, and Outlaw so far has been lights out. No way does Portland do this deal.

Barf, no thanks from portland.

Outlaw's our leading scorer in the 4th (Roy included) and just hit a game winner in Josh Smith's face. He's improved by leaps and bounds this year. Lamarcus is a VERY rare commodity in the NBA: 7-feet tall, fastest man down the floor on the team, range almost to 3, etc.

For Tyrus and Deng?

I think value wise this is more than fair to Portland, and I like what Tyrus and Luol bring to the court alot. There's no way I wouldl do this deal however. In fact I think it's not a very good deal for both teams. The principle isn't bad(Deng for LMA) but Outlaw and Tyrus aren't very good fits to switch teams.

For one Tyrus doesn't really fit in Portland, he has no range and he'd be a backup 4 playing with Joel Pryzbilla... Two, Outlaw playing SG is like playing Shareef at SF; They might pull it off but it's far from ideal. Outlaw is idealing a jumpshooting 4(eerily similar to Frye and LMA but with more ability to create with a faceup game).

The Bulls wouldn't trade Deng for Kobe, do you realize what kind of PR hell they'd be in if they traded him for that package?

warriorfan650 wrote:The Bulls wouldn't trade Deng for Kobe, do you realize what kind of PR hell they'd be in if they traded him for that package?

You need to stop saying this. They offered Deng, Kobe vetoed any trades that involved him.

As for the trade...come on.

The Bulls drafted Thomas with the knowledge that he'd be a project. They're not going to give up on him this soon. This simply isn't a trade that's going to happen.

Also, I don't see why people say it was a clearly a mistake that the Bulls passed on Aldridge. Anyone who has kept eyes on this coaching staff would notice that they're not playing any of the new young guys. Aldridge would be no different.

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You need to stop saying this. They offered Deng, Kobe vetoed any trades that involved him.

As for the trade...come on.

The Bulls drafted Thomas with the knowledge that he'd be a project. They're not going to give up on him this soon. This simply isn't a trade that's going to happen.

Also, I don't see why people say it was a clearly a mistake that the Bulls passed on Aldridge. Anyone who has kept eyes on this coaching staff would notice that they're not playing any of the new young guys. Aldridge would be no different.

This guy got me in two threads... I think I should slip him a $20 and tell him to stop making me look bad.

Lol, sorry dude. I realized my mistake when you got me in the other thread. I forgot that part.

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This guy got me in two threads... I think I should slip him a $20 and tell him to stop making me look bad.

Lol, sorry dude. I realized my mistake when you got me in the other thread. I forgot that part.

My bad, I wouldn't have called you out again had I seen your response in the other thread!

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My bad, I wouldn't have called you out again had I seen your response in the other thread!

No problem!

bad trade for the blazers

I love that everyone on Portland is untouchable.

Roy: Untouchable (Ok)
Oden: Untouchable (Ok)
LMA: Untouchable (Ok)
Sergio Rodriguez: Untouchable (Huh?)
Travis Outlaw: Untouchable (Wut?)
James Jones: Untouchable (Whaaa?)
Rudy Fernandez: Untouchable( Come ON!)
Channing Frye: Only for a Superstar (?!?)
Jarret Jack: Only in a package for a MUCH better player (?!?)


When young teams win a little bit, the success DEFINITELY goes to their fans heads.....

supertruck97 wrote:I love that everyone on Portland is untouchable.

Roy: Untouchable (Ok)
Oden: Untouchable (Ok)
LMA: Untouchable (Ok)
Sergio Rodriguez: Untouchable (Huh?)
Travis Outlaw: Untouchable (Wut?)
James Jones: Untouchable (Whaaa?)
Rudy Fernandez: Untouchable( Come ON!)
Channing Frye: Only for a Superstar (?!?)
Jarret Jack: Only in a package for a MUCH better player (?!?)


When young teams win a little bit, the success DEFINITELY goes to their fans heads.....

I am one who doesn't think anyone's untouchable.

However, Outlaw and Aldridge for Deng and Thomas is a bad trade for Portland. Going forward, Aldridge is THE perfect compliment to Oden, and Outlaw is every bit as good as Deng given the same minutes. Portland also has Webster and Jones at the three who are both better shooters than Deng is.

I'm not saying Portland doesn't have great young players, but the value discrepancy is not what the Port fans believe it to be.

You say Outlaw COULD produce if given the minutes, but he hasn't yet had that opportunity for a full season, whereas Deng has shown he can.

Value wise: Deng >> Outlaw, LMA >>>>>TT (At this point).

supertruck97 wrote:I love that everyone on Portland is untouchable.

Roy: Untouchable (Ok)
Oden: Untouchable (Ok)
LMA: Untouchable (Ok)
Sergio Rodriguez: Untouchable (Huh?)
Travis Outlaw: Untouchable (Wut?)
James Jones: Untouchable (Whaaa?)
Rudy Fernandez: Untouchable( Come ON!)
Channing Frye: Only for a Superstar (?!?)
Jarret Jack: Only in a package for a MUCH better player (?!?)


When young teams win a little bit, the success DEFINITELY goes to their fans heads.....

Where I think the disconnect may be happening is that many Portland fans just aren't willing to break up the good thing that is going on.

While certainly some Portland fans may be amping the value of Portland players up to unrealistic levels, the fact is that Portland has absolutely zero reason to make a trade like this right now. Travis Outlaw (who yes, is still considered by most to be unproven. But I invite them to watch a couple 4th quarters of Blazer games) has been lights out this year after years of patience. Same as many Chicago fans probably don't want to give up on Tyrus because he's a project, Portland fans don't want to give up on Travis as he finally is no longer a project.

Again, using this trade as an example I will say that Deng for Aldridge is fair when you look at straight up production. But the Blazers want to see him and Oden together before making any sort of rash decisions. Also at only 21/22 years old it's not like he's topping out but he's currently averaging 17/7/1blk which isn't bad.

Why is it such a bad thing that Blazer fans want to keep their team together? Many of the Blazer trade ideas the past few weeks have been more along the lines of Jones/Rudy/Travis/Martell/Sergio for cap space to free up a roster spot--something that is entirely pointless for the Blazers and most fans have pointed that out. 3 guys on the Trail Blazers should be considered untouchable right now (Oden being the third). But Blazer fans are simply echoing what Kevin Pritchard has said all along. Portland is not looking to make any deals this year.

For one, Aldridge is not a back-to-the-basket scorer from what Cliff Levingston has seen of him. However, the Bulls could use anyone in the front court capable of scoring 20+ in any method so long as it's not horribly inefficient. Aldridge and Noah would be a nice long-term front court.

But, Cliff Levingston passes for the fact that we'd have to rely heavily upon Nocioni at the SF position, which isn't a good thing. Furthermore, Tyrus Thomas is not a scrub that the team should be looking to dump; he's got a ton of untapped potential yet; we just need to be patient with him.

Conversely, Cliff Levingston can't see much of a point for Portland to make this deal. Aldridge and Oden will be a terrific front court tandem while Webster and Outlaw are a nice duo to hold down the 3.