Being Realistic with Trade Proposals
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:47 am
Good Day Mods, I just wanted to share my 2 cents on a matter that would greatly help the trade board.
Fellow GM-wannabes and self-proclaimed basketball experts, I want to greet you all a pleasant day.
In my 7 months as a member of RealGM, I have found this site to be a good place to solicit ideas on how one could improve your respective teams. Remember that in proposing trade ideas, the idea has to be acceptable to both camps (more or less) for a trade to actually go down. Its not like the GMs need our help, but you will never know that some in-the-knows visit this site from time to time wandering for ideas to call their own. Of course in the real world, its harder to come by.
I am calling this my pre-requisite to posting - sort of my 10 commandments (more like 4) before I decide to post something to be discussed about. If the board allows me, here they are:
1. Motivation - all trades have to come from somewhere. Without motivation, GMs do not "feel" the need to trade. Why do so when you risk losing your players that come back to haunt you later on? Without motivation, a team will feel there is no need or urgency to make a trade. As the cliche states "We will not trade just to make a trade."
In discussing motivation, there are 3 areas in which a team may be inclined to do something:
a) depth - its what playoff contenders look to do. From a roster of role players, you always look to "fill" every meaningful position with players that can play that role for you and help you win the coveted trophy. The best way to add depth to your team is through free agency but it can also be done through trades.
e.g. - Hornets are looking to strengthen their bench.
b) upgrades - if one team decides to "upgrade" its roster, its exchanging a player or sets of players to help them in an area of need. It would be like putting a better version of your own player to your team by adding a valuable commodity as a bonus to convince the other team to do so.
e.g. - Chicago courting Pau Gasol for their post scoring option.
e.g. - Lamar Odom + Crittenton for Jermaine O'neal.
c) cutting salary - yes, cutting salary can be a big motivation to trade. This is why Kenny Thomas is this trade board's whore. Kings fans want to know if there is any team out there willing to take him in. Of course, since they are basically leaning toward rebuilding, expiring or shorter contracts are enough to pry him away.
e.g. - Seattle, Minnesota and Sacramento all qualify as "looking to cut salary anyhow" teams.
2. Salaries - yes, the CBA (collective bargaining agreement) dictates that salaries of incoming/outgoing players have to be within 85% + 100,000 from each other. This is a rule that covers all trade proposals that's why the Trade Checker and ESPN's Trade Machine is in good business lately. They automatically compute the players' salaries and match them in accordance to the restrictions that go along with it. If you haven't tried it, it opens a world of possibilities for you Mr. GM-wannabe.
Please note that the Salaries Matching IS THE 2ND REQUIREMENT. The first one being the motivation. So if the salaries match but the motivation for both camps does not, there is no deal. If the motivations match, matching salaries will be an easy proposition to do.
Note for the Youngsters:
YOU CANNOT TRADE BYNUM FOR J.O STRAIGHT UP!
3. Logic - is hugely subjective as it is objective. What might make sense for you MIGHT NOT make sense for the others. That' why understanding a team's needs and wants is a third requisite for a trade proposal to be acceptable. For instance, trading Shaq to Golden State's high-octane running offense will be shot down as a crime. Shaq fits a more deliberate half-court team to be effective and his age and injury history dispermits him to do so.
Logic can also be synonimous to motivation in the right circumstance. However, due to its hugely subjective nature, fans of the same camp will most-often disagree with themselves if it is a "logical" thing to do or not.
e.g. Kwame + LA's 08 1st for Brad Miller stirs up debate whether that package is enough for Kings fans to accept, and stirs up another in the Laker board as to whether adding a future 1st to accept Brad Miller's atrocious contract would be within the bounds of sanity.
4. Value - most realGM members only look at value without looking at the logicality of it. Just because Andre Iguodala is fresh, young and promising does not mean he is an automatic fit in the Triangle Offense of the Lakers. With this, some fans go to the extent of offering Iguodala ++ for Bynum when the Lakers have a ton of guards/forwards to work with while having very little depth in the frontcourt.
Another scenario would be the Emeka Okafor dilemma. Most fans consider Okafor to be a franchise player. Is he? His expected contract next year does not equate to his "value" to the team. He is a defensive specialist that definitely commands more than the MLE but NOT the max. There is a world of difference between him and Dwight Howard at the moment. So we all have to be careful in proposing for and with a player like Meka. Same applies to Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and Andris Biedrins.
Over-all, I hope I may have helped enlighten a fresh, young mind today - mine included.
Fellow GM-wannabes and self-proclaimed basketball experts, I want to greet you all a pleasant day.
In my 7 months as a member of RealGM, I have found this site to be a good place to solicit ideas on how one could improve your respective teams. Remember that in proposing trade ideas, the idea has to be acceptable to both camps (more or less) for a trade to actually go down. Its not like the GMs need our help, but you will never know that some in-the-knows visit this site from time to time wandering for ideas to call their own. Of course in the real world, its harder to come by.
I am calling this my pre-requisite to posting - sort of my 10 commandments (more like 4) before I decide to post something to be discussed about. If the board allows me, here they are:
1. Motivation - all trades have to come from somewhere. Without motivation, GMs do not "feel" the need to trade. Why do so when you risk losing your players that come back to haunt you later on? Without motivation, a team will feel there is no need or urgency to make a trade. As the cliche states "We will not trade just to make a trade."
In discussing motivation, there are 3 areas in which a team may be inclined to do something:
a) depth - its what playoff contenders look to do. From a roster of role players, you always look to "fill" every meaningful position with players that can play that role for you and help you win the coveted trophy. The best way to add depth to your team is through free agency but it can also be done through trades.
e.g. - Hornets are looking to strengthen their bench.
b) upgrades - if one team decides to "upgrade" its roster, its exchanging a player or sets of players to help them in an area of need. It would be like putting a better version of your own player to your team by adding a valuable commodity as a bonus to convince the other team to do so.
e.g. - Chicago courting Pau Gasol for their post scoring option.
e.g. - Lamar Odom + Crittenton for Jermaine O'neal.
c) cutting salary - yes, cutting salary can be a big motivation to trade. This is why Kenny Thomas is this trade board's whore. Kings fans want to know if there is any team out there willing to take him in. Of course, since they are basically leaning toward rebuilding, expiring or shorter contracts are enough to pry him away.
e.g. - Seattle, Minnesota and Sacramento all qualify as "looking to cut salary anyhow" teams.
2. Salaries - yes, the CBA (collective bargaining agreement) dictates that salaries of incoming/outgoing players have to be within 85% + 100,000 from each other. This is a rule that covers all trade proposals that's why the Trade Checker and ESPN's Trade Machine is in good business lately. They automatically compute the players' salaries and match them in accordance to the restrictions that go along with it. If you haven't tried it, it opens a world of possibilities for you Mr. GM-wannabe.
Please note that the Salaries Matching IS THE 2ND REQUIREMENT. The first one being the motivation. So if the salaries match but the motivation for both camps does not, there is no deal. If the motivations match, matching salaries will be an easy proposition to do.
Note for the Youngsters:
YOU CANNOT TRADE BYNUM FOR J.O STRAIGHT UP!
3. Logic - is hugely subjective as it is objective. What might make sense for you MIGHT NOT make sense for the others. That' why understanding a team's needs and wants is a third requisite for a trade proposal to be acceptable. For instance, trading Shaq to Golden State's high-octane running offense will be shot down as a crime. Shaq fits a more deliberate half-court team to be effective and his age and injury history dispermits him to do so.
Logic can also be synonimous to motivation in the right circumstance. However, due to its hugely subjective nature, fans of the same camp will most-often disagree with themselves if it is a "logical" thing to do or not.
e.g. Kwame + LA's 08 1st for Brad Miller stirs up debate whether that package is enough for Kings fans to accept, and stirs up another in the Laker board as to whether adding a future 1st to accept Brad Miller's atrocious contract would be within the bounds of sanity.
4. Value - most realGM members only look at value without looking at the logicality of it. Just because Andre Iguodala is fresh, young and promising does not mean he is an automatic fit in the Triangle Offense of the Lakers. With this, some fans go to the extent of offering Iguodala ++ for Bynum when the Lakers have a ton of guards/forwards to work with while having very little depth in the frontcourt.
Another scenario would be the Emeka Okafor dilemma. Most fans consider Okafor to be a franchise player. Is he? His expected contract next year does not equate to his "value" to the team. He is a defensive specialist that definitely commands more than the MLE but NOT the max. There is a world of difference between him and Dwight Howard at the moment. So we all have to be careful in proposing for and with a player like Meka. Same applies to Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and Andris Biedrins.
Over-all, I hope I may have helped enlighten a fresh, young mind today - mine included.