Knicks/Grizz Draft Day Blockbuster!

[N.O.R.E.]

Knicks Trade: #5, Marbury, Balkman
Receive: Mike Conley, Mike Miller, Collins, Cardinal, Lakers 1st.

Curry/Collins/Lee
Randolph/Lee/Jeffries
Miller/Chandler/Jeffries
Crawford/Nate/Lakers 1st
Conley/Collins/Nate

The Knicks begin their re-build by getting their starting PG of the future, a nice outside shooter in Miller, short term contracts and a 1st.
Randolph and Curry would most likely be the next to go.

Grizz Trade: Conley, Miller, Collins, Cardinal, Lakers 1st
Receive: #5, Marbury (bought out), Balkman

Darko/Diop?
Josh Smith?/Warrick
Gay/Balkman
Mayo/Critt/JCN
Rose/Lowry/JCN

[#1knickfan]

Its a steep price but I would do it.

[N.O.R.E.]

Its not that steep, they only add 1 year in contracts (Conley aside) and this would fit in with a cap-space by 2010 plan.

[#1knickfan]

Its not that steep, they only add 1 year in contracts (Conley aside) and this would fit in with a cap-space by 2010 plan.

Not that steep? We're giving up a massive expiring deal, an assured top 5 pick, and a guy Knick fans love without getting a certified superstar back and it isn't a steep price. We're taking an awful big chance that Conley wasn't as good as most of us thought he was last year. Its a chance I'd be willing to take but its a big chance nonetheless.

[gavran]

I'll might do it, if the Knicks pick turns out to be #5 for sure (right now we're at #4, with a good chance to be #3 after we lose to the Wolves), because I still think Conley is a very good PG prospect. But I'm nit sure how the Grizzlies end up with Rose AND Mayo, since they won't get Mayo with the 5th pick, and certaily won't get Rose with the 4th. It's mors like Gordon/Lopez.

[#1KnicksFan]

Nope not a chance.

You could throw in Jerry West and I might consider...

[BBALLER4FR]

Why do the Knicks take Cardinal? Why aren't the Knicks dumping Randolph and/or Curry if we are giving up a lottery and an $30 mil expiring? Are Conley and Miller seriously worth a lottery and $30 million salary drop?

[#1knickfan]

Why do the Knicks take Cardinal? Why aren't the Knicks dumping Randolph and/or Curry if we are giving up a lottery and an $30 mil expiring? Are Conley and Miller seriously worth a lottery and $30 million salary drop?

That depends upon your perspective. If you belief that Conley is a better prospect than the non-Derrick Rose point guards that would be available at our pick then yes Conley and Miller might be worth it. Personally I am on the fence if only because Conley's assist numbers don't look all that impressive.

[gavran]

Why do the Knicks take Cardinal? Why aren't the Knicks dumping Randolph and/or Curry if we are giving up a lottery and an $30 mil expiring? Are Conley and Miller seriously worth a lottery and $30 million salary drop?

Well Conley wa the 4th pick just last year, IMO he's worth #5 this year and the Knicks would get another late first rounder, and Mike Miller can be tourned iinto something pretty easily (if the Knicks doesn't want to keep him), he would be the teams most valuable asset. Cardinal's deal sucks though, maybe taking Balkman out would help a bit.

[J0rdan4life42o]

WTF, wouldn't beginning the rebuilding process start with not giving up a high lotto pick and a massive expiring deal for a disappointing rookie, 2 useless players and a solid role player? Oh wait, the Knicks get LA's 1st, that changes everything. This would be an idiotic deal to make, even for Isiah if he was still running things.

It would basically have to be a swap of picks if Memphis wants to get out of $16 million in guarnateed contracts early.

Also, Balkman's no throw in, which he clearly is in your trade.

[BBALLER4FR]

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Well Conley wa the 4th pick just last year, IMO he's worth #5 this year and the Knicks would get another late first rounder, and Mike Miller can be tourned iinto something pretty easily (if the Knicks doesn't want to keep him), he would be the teams most valuable asset. Cardinal's deal sucks though, maybe taking Balkman out would help a bit.

Maybe Conley is worth the #5. But I don't see the ease of spinning Miller as a plus if we aren't getting rid of Curry or Randolph AND we lose Marbury's $30 million expiring contract in addition to Balkman's value (however little that may be). Then you throw Cardinal in the deal and it becomes brutal.

Marbury/#5 should get more than Conley/Miller imho.

I'd rather trade that package to Chicago for Hughes/Simmons/#9 to pick up Augustine. That would make moving Randolph easier to swallow. Maybe a follow up deal with Philly of Randolph/Collins for Evans/Green/#16 to pick up McGee/R. Lopez. Maybe then move Q-Rich and Malik for a backup SG and an early 2nd rounder to pick up Dorsey.

PG - Augustine/Nate
SG- Green/Crawford
SF - Hughes/Chandler/Jefferies
PF - Evans/Lee/Dorsey
C - Curry/#16/Simmons

Maybe all wishful thinking but a better course of action than Conley and Miller.

[J0rdan4life42o]

^ why would you trade our 5th pick, for the Bulls 9th? For Hughes? LOL

[BBALLER4FR]

^^^ Originally I had TT in the trade. After tinkering with the Philly trade I removed him to avoid a minutes issue at PF (Evans/Lee/TT/Dorsey). In it's original state it would have made sense but you're right Hughes/#9 for Marbury/#5 is dookie.

[#1knickfan]

WTF, wouldn't beginning the rebuilding process start with not giving up a high lotto pick and a massive expiring deal for a disappointing rookie, 2 useless players and a solid role player? Oh wait, the Knicks get LA's 1st, that changes everything. This would be an idiotic deal to make, even for Isiah if he was still running things.

It would basically have to be a swap of picks if Memphis wants to get out of $16 million in guarnateed contracts early.

Also, Balkman's no throw in, which he clearly is in your trade.

Me think thou dost protest too much. You're talking as if the Knicks really take it up the tailpipe in this deal when we don't. Conley didn't really do much this year but he didn't start out with a lot of time and not long after he was given more of a role Paul Gasol got dealt. Its too early to talk as if he'll never amount to anything. Also, you complain about Balkman being used as a throw in while you yourself talk as if Mike Miller and the Lakers pick as if they were just throw ins. The 16th pick still gives us the ability to get a good prospect and Mike Miller would be tremendously useful to us.

That being said, I think the Knicks do give up too much. Since Conley was picked 4th last year and really hasn't done much of note this season I don't think his value has dropped just one spot. The Knicks would really need to be enticed considering that there are still plenty of second tier points that will still be available at their pick or later in the lottery. They could easily drop 3 or 4 spots in the draft and still pick up a good point. Miller is good but the Knicks take on Brian Cardinal to make the deal work so his superior value is somewhat diminished as well.

[BBALLER4FR]

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Me think thou dost protest too much. You're talking as if the Knicks really take it up the tailpipe in this deal when we don't. Conley didn't really do much this year but he didn't start out with a lot of time and not long after he was given more of a role Paul Gasol got dealt. Its too early to talk as if he'll never amount to anything. Also, you complain about Balkman being used as a throw in while you yourself talk as if Mike Miller and the Lakers pick as if they were just throw ins. The 16th pick still gives us the ability to get a good prospect and Mike Miller would be tremendously useful to us.

That being said, I think the Knicks do give up too much. Since Conley was picked 4th last year and really hasn't done much of note this season I don't think his value has dropped just one spot. The Knicks would really need to be enticed considering that there are still plenty of second tier points that will still be available at their pick or later in the lottery. They could easily drop 3 or 4 spots in the draft and still pick up a good point. Miller is good but the Knicks take on Brian Cardinal to make the deal work so his superior value is somewhat diminished as well.

LA's pick would be 26th not 16th.

So we are essentially talking Marbury/#5/Balkman for Conley/Miller/Cardinal.

[loflin3hree5ive]

I love it. Grizz should throw in their 2nd round pick to even it out.

[#1KnicksFan]

^ Fark that, Knicks don't need ANYTHING from Grizz except MAYBE one of their dinky PG's like Lowry.

Otherwise, have fun with a waste of a franchise.

[loflin3hree5ive]

Otherwise, have fun with a waste of a franchise.

Right...

[#1knickfan]

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LA's pick would be 26th not 16th.

So we are essentially talking Marbury/#5/Balkman for Conley/Miller/Cardinal.

That's right. Where on earth did I get #16 from? That does change things for me considerably. I would turn the deal down now because we clearly do not get enough value. Were it the #16 pick then I would probably do it after some hemming and hawing but since its so much further down that I thought its gotta be a no.

[#1KnicksFan]

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Right...

Correction, have fun with TWO wastes of a franchise.

Elgin Baylor will be there until he's 96.