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Realgm's Top 25 most valuable players as voted by the trade board community

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6. 7. 8. 9. 10.


11. 12. 13. 14. 15.


16. 17. 18. 19. 20.


21. 22. 23. 24. 25.

1. Lebron James - Cleveland Cavaliers
2. Chris Paul - New Orleans Hornets
3. Dwight Howard - Orlando Magic
4. Kobe Bryant - Los Angeles Lakers
5. Dwyane Wade - Miami Heat
6. Deron Williams - Utah Jazz
7. Amare Stoudemire - Phoenix Suns
8. Chris Bosh - Toronto Raptors
9. Derrick Rose - Chicago Bulls
10. Greg Oden - Portland TrailBlazers
11. Tim Duncan - San Antonio Spurs
12. Brandon Roy - Portland TrailBlazers
13. Al Jefferson - Minnesota Timberwolves
14. Yao Ming - Houston Rockets
15. Kevin Garnett - Boston Celtics
16. Dirk Nowitzki - Dallas Mavericks
17. Carmelo Anthony - Denver Nuggets
18. Andrew Bynum - Los Angeles Lakers
19. Kevin Durant - Oklahoma City Thunder
20. Tony Parker - San Antonio Spurs
21. Paul Pierce - Boston Celtics
22. Joe Johnson - Atlanta Hawks
23. Danny Granger - Indiana Pacers
24. Devin Harris - New Jersey Nets
25. Josh Smith - Atlanta Hawks

feel free to discuss disagreements with the rankings, improvements in the voting process, etc.

i think youth was overrated just a tad. i'd probably take rose, oden, roy, jefferson and stick them all behind dirk, bumping everyone else up.

dcash4 wrote:i think youth was overrated just a tad. i'd probably take rose, oden, roy, jefferson and stick them all behind dirk, bumping everyone else up.

agree...i think jefferson is really overrated...hes no mvp...he takes 18.5 shots a game(5th most, most by an interior player) for 22 points thats crap...overrated on D...Amare is way too high...on that team Nash is the mvp..the team and Amare look bad w/o him...Bynum but no gasol...thats fishy to me....Nash not being on the list at all is a joke...as is having Rose, Oden, Durrant on the list...this list is not who is good, or will be mvp worthy...its mvps now

I agree with Cash that youth was definitely served here (and Oden going #10 is proof of ballot stuffing) but you have to remember this isn't the "who is better poll" but rather "who has the value poll" and that is why youth (and cheap contracts) are so important. For example, its tough to find a player who gets you more for the dollar than Derrick Rose. He can get you 19-6-5 as a rookie for six million a year over four years. No one on the list can do that type of bang for buck.

And for the point about Dirk, he is very good, but I can't take him over Jefferson (same numbers, less price, younger) or Roy (All-Star guard gets better every year on rookie deal) because of age and how long you can have a guy play at a high level for X amount of years. I think Al Jefferson is starting the 24-11 run of his career right now and I think Dirk is exiting that.

stopnpop wrote:

dcash4 wrote:i think youth was overrated just a tad. i'd probably take rose, oden, roy, jefferson and stick them all behind dirk, bumping everyone else up.

agree...i think jefferson is really overrated...hes no mvp...he takes 18.5 shots a game(5th most, most by an interior player) for 22 points thats crap...overrated on D...Amare is way too high...on that team Nash is the mvp..the team and Amare look bad w/o him...Bynum but no gasol...thats fishy to me....Nash not being on the list at all is a joke...as is having Rose, Oden, Durrant on the list...this list is not who is good, or will be mvp worthy...its mvps now

please note that this is trade value, so i think its perfectly acceptable that nash, at his age, was not in the top 25.

as far as aljeff, his d isn't overrated since everyone thinks its horrible. otherwise u best bet that a 20/10 young big man would be near the top of the list.

gasol has a pretty hefty contract with no real room for improvement, while bynum is a young legit center with loads of potential. he's already the anchor of the defense while gasol has a "soft" label attached to him.

DanTown8587 wrote:I agree with Cash that youth was definitely served here (and Oden going #10 is proof of ballot stuffing) but you have to remember this isn't the "who is better poll" but rather "who has the value poll" and that is why youth (and cheap contracts) are so important. For example, its tough to find a player who gets you more for the dollar than Derrick Rose. He can get you 19-6-5 as a rookie for six million a year over four years. No one on the list can do that type of bang for buck.

And for the point about Dirk, he is very good, but I can't take him over Jefferson (same numbers, less price, younger) or Roy (All-Star guard gets better every year on rookie deal) because of age and how long you can have a guy play at a high level for X amount of years. I think Al Jefferson is starting the 24-11 run of his career right now and I think Dirk is exiting that.

yeah, i can agree with you about dirk. i'd still put the players i mentioned behind duncan/yao/kg.

and yes, blazers fans ballot stuffed like always! shenanigans! should have been a vote by post the whole time,

Bynum is too high.
I personally was voting for him too early, but I caught myself, called myself out and stopped before he made the list.
He should be top 25, but 18 is a little too high.
Durant does not even belong on that list.
Amare is way too high.
Devin Harris is too low.
Josh Smith is borderline and could go either way for me, his ranking of 25 or on the bubble.
I love Pierce and he is one of the best players in the league, and definitely one of the clutchest and best playoff performers, but his contract and age and I am not sure if he should be on this list at all and if so literally bottom 2 spots.
Again, in this instance, we are talking trade value and not player rankings.

vincecarter4pres wrote:Bynum is too high.
I personally was voting for him too early, but I caught myself, called myself out and stopped before he made the list.
He should be top 25, but 18 is a little too high.
Durant does not even belong on that list.
Amare is way too high.
Devin Harris is too low.
Josh Smith is borderline and could go either way for me, his ranking of 25 or on the bubble.
I love Pierce and he is one of the best players in the league, and definitely one of the clutchest and best playoff performers, but his contract and age and I am not sure if he should be on this list at all and if so literally bottom 2 spots.
Again, in this instance, we are talking trade value and not player rankings.

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Harris should be right before Tony Parker. Wherever you feel a 26yo 24/6 PG should be, the 25yo 25/6 PG that plays defense should be right in front.

In fact, i think that whole list can be a whole lot more realistic just switching Harris & Durnat's picture around (assuming you can't just erase Durnant's picture off). Running the poll one more time for the one who did not make it.Horford, Aldridge, Marin and a few others all should be infront of Durant. Durant should be round #30.

I think if 18 is the right place for Bynum (debateable), then Oden should be 17.

Amare is top 15, but definatly not top 10.

One other note, is that I do kind of feel it's funny that it is a well known fact that PG and big men have more trade value that swingmen, but this poll is dead even.

Bigmen
1) Howard
2) Amare
3) Bosh
4) Oden
5) Duncan
6) Jefferson
7) Ming
8) Garnett
9) Nowitzki
10) Bynum

Point Guard
1) Paul
2) Williams
3) Rose
4) Parker
5) Harris

Swing
1) James
2) Bryant
3) Wade
4) Roy
5) Anthony
6) Durant
7) Pierce
8) Johnson
9) Granger
10) Smith

Calderon should be able to crack the list over Rose who is facing easy competition. Also Johnson should be higher and where the hell are Billiups and Carmelo?

J-Slim wrote:Calderon should be able to crack the list over Rose who is facing easy competition. Also Johnson should be higher and where the hell are Billiups and Carmelo?

Melo is #17 and a little too high if you ask me. I'd have Billups top 30 (over Boozer easily) but not top 25. However, if another PG is to be added, he should be the one.

All things considered, this is pretty good list.

I would downgrade Roy, Oden and Big Al just slightly, but thats about all. This is what gets me about Roy, and feel free to disagree: isn´t his ceiling Joe Johnson? Do you really see him reaching anything higher than that? (not that that is bad or anything, Joe is a stud, but I just dont see him reaching Kobe or Wade Tier-1 heights as a SG).

On that note, I would move Joe Johnson up ever so slightly too (id definitely take him over Tony Parker).

I think Roy right now > Joe Johnson

Roy is very clutch and very much more fit to be a leader of a team. I don't know if i can say that about Joe Johnson. And I could almost guarantee that JJ would not get Roy-like numbers in Portland. Right now their numbers are similar..identical if you take the 3 min diff off.

J-Slim wrote:Calderon should be able to crack the list over Rose who is facing easy competition.

This is about trade value, and there's no way on this Earth that Jose Calderon has more trade value than Derrick Rose.

I also disagree with JES that Harris should be ahead of Parker...when one of those 26-year-olds has an NBA finals MVP and the other one doesn't, I think that makes enough difference to tip the scales.

But I do agree with those who say that potential has been overrated here. Some of these guys are proven winners and champions and it feels to me like they've been sold short in favour of guys who might or might not ever be half as good. Maybe that's just me

loserX wrote:I also disagree with JES that Harris should be ahead of Parker...when one of those 26-year-olds has an NBA finals MVP and the other one doesn't, I think that makes enough difference to tip the scales.

I disagree with LoserX in so many levels.

1) When I'm trading for someone, I am trading for what he will do....not what he did.

2) Harris got Dallas, with Dirk and Howard past Parker with the crew of Duncan & Manu to the 2006 finals. Parker lead Spurs never made it to the finals through Harris.

3) Getting to the finals has more to do with Nowitzki and Duncan than the PG, and hopefully we can all agree that Duncan >>> Nowitzki.

4) Parker was so thrilled Harris was traded from the mavs that he publicly admitted it with a big fat happy grin on his face.

5) The Mavs never feared the Spurs and Harris was a big part of that. After GSW beat us, Duncan and Parker thanked Stephen Jackson for their title (and Parker for his MVP).

6) Harris is easily > Parker. EASILY

JES, here is why I think Parker is more valuable than Harris: Parker is only 26 and Harris is 25, yet I think Parker is mature and a true veteran while Harris still seems like a young player trying to capitalize on his potential. And I think Parker is a better leader. Harris always had JET to help carry the load for the Mavs, that team had a lot of talent outside of Harris. While the Spurs also have talent, I think Parker is a big portion of that talent. And if you say that the PFs are the focus anyway, then what's the point of even arguing over it.

But aside from this, the young players got really overrated in this one. Someone arguing against Paul Pierce at #21 is dumb, as you said, he's clutch and he does everything you could ask.

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I can see your argument and since realgm is a site based off percetion, I will not try to convince anyone further of this, but your argument explains your percetion.

"Harris always had JET to help carry the load" should read "Harris always intefered with Harris getting more than 24 MPG" or "Terry intefered with Harris Progression" or "Harris had to beat out Terry for the starting role, which he did" or "Parker was handed the staring role over after one year of Daniels"

I guarantee if Terry (a bterer PG than Mike Bibby) was in San Antonio, we would not even be having this discussion right now. Parker would be much closer to Monta Ellis (having to fight Baron Davis as Parker vs Terry). Monta and Parker both can't play defense...Harris can.

Any way you want to put it, the precetion that Parker is better than Harris may be true because of familiararity to all those other than Mav fans, Net fans, Parker himself and Harris himself.


Just a note to watch out for.....
Give Harris 1 year on the east coast media (assuming Parker stays in San Antonio) and his "percetion" will be much, much better than Parker even though the difference ONLY on the defensive end. Bookmark this page and lets see what the results will be this time next year.

WTF is Rose and Oden doing at 9 and 10?

JES12 wrote:1) When I'm trading for someone, I am trading for what he will do....not what he did.

Fine. Will Harris ever win a Finals MVP? I take BOTH into account, and I think most GMs do too.

JES12 wrote:3) Getting to the finals has more to do with Nowitzki and Duncan than the PG, and hopefully we can all agree that Duncan >>> Nowitzki.

Yes. But that doesn't make Harris worth more than Parker just because the latter had a better teammate.

JES12 wrote:4) Parker was so thrilled Harris was traded from the mavs that he publicly admitted it with a big fat happy grin on his face.

5) The Mavs never feared the Spurs and Harris was a big part of that. After GSW beat us, Duncan and Parker thanked Stephen Jackson for their title (and Parker for his MVP).

None of that makes Harris worth more than Parker either. Just because Parker didn't like playing him? So? That should put Bruce Bowen's value through the roof, then, since nobody likes playing him.

JES12 wrote:6) Harris is easily > Parker. EASILY

That's a perfectly valid opinion. I do not share it, since Parker has showed he could lead a team to a championship, not a final, and Harris has not.