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Preseason Game #3! Jovic vs Ja/Cain vs Bane!

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Re: Preseason Game #3! Jovic vs Ja/Cain vs Bane! 

Post#101 » by fishfuego. » Sun Oct 9, 2022 3:52 pm

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shanedude wrote:Why waste Jovic in the G League? Trial by fire I say. Everyone clutching their pearls over Spo not playing a rookie are stuck in the past. PTSD from the Beasley days.

Development is a phrase widely used, but it plays a different roles in different situations. An offensive raw but athletic player may find itself in the development league. A severely injured player may find itself in the development league for many reasons. However, these Euro players hardly need skill developments once they find their ways to the NBA. They are pretty skill tested.
Herro was an 18 years old rookie that immediately found himself on the team’s daily rotation due to his matured skills. This dude Jovic has shown an impressive enough set of skills that can be used by the team sooner than later, one being his dribbling ability for a big, his vision from anywhere on the court and his shooting. In other words, all these skills are a reason to send a raw player to the development league to learn. This dude needs no skill learning for the most part, he needs acclimation and chemistry with the actual team.
No its not for just no skills. Its also about honing your skills to fit the system. Strus, Duncan and Nunn all had the skill set they have today. It allowed them to learn how to apply the skills to the teams system. The coaches there will get instructions from the Heat on plays and how Jovic will be used in those plays and get him repetition and coach him up on how to run those plays. If the coaches there see that he is sufficient they will advised the team that he has sufficient understanding and can play that role. If he is truly that good he will not be there long.

Herro was a very mature NBA ready player. I mentioned that before we drafted him, that he would likely be a player who has success early. Two Herro got here on a depleted roster that with inexperienced players. Herro was in a completely different scenario the Heat were at a different place roster wise. This team has A LOT of depth. And a huge project in figuring out how to utilize Yurt and Bam together. Spo has a set role for Caleb. And then there is Bam learning to play the 4. There is a lot in the way of Jovic and no reason to rush Jovic.

Adding a skill is usually the summer time. G-league is an opportunity to get full time coaching. Its not a demotion. Its an opportunity to grow faster.

Remember Jovic was 6'8 when he was playing in overseas. The kid has grown to almost 7 foot since. He is not going to be playing the same role that he has experience in. New body new role.

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Twix I see your point of view, and I agree with you on such points, except with Jovic. He, just like Herro, seems to have a very matured skill set, from what I’ve seen so far, the eye test shows an impressive vision with passing abilities, a shooting technique that is textbook, and it is created by himself with or without a man on his face, showing he doesn’t need to be spoon fed to initiate such shots, very similar to Herro, while also like with Herro, his position and skills are in demand with the Heat, a 6’11” 1-4 offensive big, and I’m saying 1-4 because the dude can bring the ball up court similar to Bam and has shown an impressive vision with passing skills while not being flat footed, mind you verses NBA competition, not summer league.
That has to mean something when evaluating talent.

Is he a starter material, not yet, just like Herro was not a starter, but for a back up unit with a big that can to a lesser extent do somethings similar to Bam ( as far as dribbling and passing) I think it’s a no brainer.
So IMO, unless the dude flat out sucks the rest of the way, he has passed the eye test with flying colors.

Edit: Also twix, you keep bringing the constant GLeague burn he’ll be getting, but still that’s not building chemistry with the actual team players and it’s not helping the current team needs of mobile big with a skill. We were getting killed inside once Bam went to the bench in many games last season, and if you look at the replays this preseason, Jovic got a few rebounds inside that were contested by the other team’s bigs, and he got the rebound. Size plays a part.
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Re: Preseason Game #3! Jovic vs Ja/Cain vs Bane! 

Post#102 » by Mickey8 » Sun Oct 9, 2022 5:36 pm

Jovic has way more advanced ball handles than Adebayo, the ball is natural in his hands, since he always been playing as the guard.
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Re: Preseason Game #3! Jovic vs Ja/Cain vs Bane! 

Post#103 » by Jfh20 » Sun Oct 9, 2022 5:54 pm

i need to see more from this jovic kid.... but from what i seen so far... im liking him. when you spot a special talent, you know it... kid is special
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Re: Preseason Game #3! Jovic vs Ja/Cain vs Bane! 

Post#104 » by ShulaDon92 » Sun Oct 9, 2022 6:10 pm

Jfh20 wrote:i need to see more from this jovic kid.... but from what i seen so far... im liking him. when you spot a special talent, you know it... kid is special


Way early but he played pro ball already and is from a tough pedigree. He should be ok mentally to play in the butter soft regular season NBA to improve.

If he goes to G league I would also understand it because maybe that will help him more.
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Re: Preseason Game #3! Jovic vs Ja/Cain vs Bane! 

Post#105 » by Jfh20 » Sun Oct 9, 2022 6:21 pm

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Jfh20 wrote:i need to see more from this jovic kid.... but from what i seen so far... im liking him. when you spot a special talent, you know it... kid is special


Way early but he played pro ball already and is from a tough pedigree. He should be ok mentally to play in the butter soft regular season NBA to improve.

If he goes to G league I would also understand it because maybe that will help him more.


ya thats why i said i need to see more from him. but im liking wat im seeing
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Re: Preseason Game #3! Jovic vs Ja/Cain vs Bane! 

Post#106 » by ShulaDon92 » Sun Oct 9, 2022 6:58 pm

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Jfh20 wrote:i need to see more from this jovic kid.... but from what i seen so far... im liking him. when you spot a special talent, you know it... kid is special


Way early but he played pro ball already and is from a tough pedigree. He should be ok mentally to play in the butter soft regular season NBA to improve.

If he goes to G league I would also understand it because maybe that will help him more.


ya thats why i said i need to see more from him. but im liking wat im seeing

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Re: Preseason Game #3! Jovic vs Ja/Cain vs Bane! 

Post#107 » by twix2500 » Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:53 am

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fishfuego. wrote:Development is a phrase widely used, but it plays a different roles in different situations. An offensive raw but athletic player may find itself in the development league. A severely injured player may find itself in the development league for many reasons. However, these Euro players hardly need skill developments once they find their ways to the NBA. They are pretty skill tested.
Herro was an 18 years old rookie that immediately found himself on the team’s daily rotation due to his matured skills. This dude Jovic has shown an impressive enough set of skills that can be used by the team sooner than later, one being his dribbling ability for a big, his vision from anywhere on the court and his shooting. In other words, all these skills are a reason to send a raw player to the development league to learn. This dude needs no skill learning for the most part, he needs acclimation and chemistry with the actual team.
No its not for just no skills. Its also about honing your skills to fit the system. Strus, Duncan and Nunn all had the skill set they have today. It allowed them to learn how to apply the skills to the teams system. The coaches there will get instructions from the Heat on plays and how Jovic will be used in those plays and get him repetition and coach him up on how to run those plays. If the coaches there see that he is sufficient they will advised the team that he has sufficient understanding and can play that role. If he is truly that good he will not be there long.

Herro was a very mature NBA ready player. I mentioned that before we drafted him, that he would likely be a player who has success early. Two Herro got here on a depleted roster that with inexperienced players. Herro was in a completely different scenario the Heat were at a different place roster wise. This team has A LOT of depth. And a huge project in figuring out how to utilize Yurt and Bam together. Spo has a set role for Caleb. And then there is Bam learning to play the 4. There is a lot in the way of Jovic and no reason to rush Jovic.

Adding a skill is usually the summer time. G-league is an opportunity to get full time coaching. Its not a demotion. Its an opportunity to grow faster.

Remember Jovic was 6'8 when he was playing in overseas. The kid has grown to almost 7 foot since. He is not going to be playing the same role that he has experience in. New body new role.

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Twix I see your point of view, and I agree with you on such points, except with Jovic. He, just like Herro, seems to have a very matured skill set, from what I’ve seen so far, the eye test shows an impressive vision with passing abilities, a shooting technique that is textbook, and it is created by himself with or without a man on his face, showing he doesn’t need to be spoon fed to initiate such shots, very similar to Herro, while also like with Herro, his position and skills are in demand with the Heat, a 6’11” 1-4 offensive big, and I’m saying 1-4 because the dude can bring the ball up court similar to Bam and has shown an impressive vision with passing skills while not being flat footed, mind you verses NBA competition, not summer league.
That has to mean something when evaluating talent.

Is he a starter material, not yet, just like Herro was not a starter, but for a back up unit with a big that can to a lesser extent do somethings similar to Bam ( as far as dribbling and passing) I think it’s a no brainer.
So IMO, unless the dude flat out sucks the rest of the way, he has passed the eye test with flying colors.

Edit: Also twix, you keep bringing the constant GLeague burn he’ll be getting, but still that’s not building chemistry with the actual team players and it’s not helping the current team needs of mobile big with a skill. We were getting killed inside once Bam went to the bench in many games last season, and if you look at the replays this preseason, Jovic got a few rebounds inside that were contested by the other team’s bigs, and he got the rebound. Size plays a part.
I'm not saying he hasn't shown that he ready or not. That needs to be displayed in practice this past month. I don't think what we seen is enough to say oh he is ready for the bright lights. I will say he has the natural European ball instinct but that doesn't necessarily mean it translate to the NBA. Im rooting for the kid. But if he is not in the top 8 of the rotation then I feel its best for him to be in the G-League for at least the next two months. I want him playing somewhere not sitting and watch and carrying the veterans bags.

Hell i felt Precious should of went to the G-League the first few month to learn how to play the power forward position in spo offense. He only knew how to play the rolling center position. Once they asked him to do something else he wasn't ready.

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Post#108 » by Heat_team02 » Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:26 pm

Heat have 1 roster spot remaining with Garrett & Cain under 2 way Contracts. Who will get the final spot?

Bouyea<
O. Robinson
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Post#109 » by twix2500 » Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:46 pm

Heat_team02 wrote:Heat have 1 roster spot remaining with Garrett & Cain under 2 way Contracts. Who will get the final spot?

Bouyea<
O. Robinson
Dru Smith
Robinson looks a long way from being NBA ready. But I guess they see potential in him

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Post#110 » by 3ammy3uck3ts » Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:49 pm

Heat_team02 wrote:Heat have 1 roster spot remaining with Garrett & Cain under 2 way Contracts. Who will get the final spot?

Bouyea<
O. Robinson
Dru Smith


I’m hoping Bouyea, I like what he’s shown
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Post#111 » by twix2500 » Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:48 pm

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Heat_team02 wrote:Heat have 1 roster spot remaining with Garrett & Cain under 2 way Contracts. Who will get the final spot?

Bouyea<
O. Robinson
Dru Smith


I’m hoping Bouyea, I like what he’s shown


Wouldn't be surprised Bouyea request to go elsewhere. Too many guards on this roster.

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Post#112 » by Wiltside » Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:21 pm

Bouyea gonna be Sioux Falls bound. He’s looked solid and there might be something to work with. But I doubt he makes the team.
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Post#114 » by IceColdCubano » Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:26 pm

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In other words your Miami Heat starting Lineup....not sure if you guys are catching on?
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Post#115 » by twix2500 » Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:00 am

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In other words your Miami Heat starting Lineup....not sure if you guys are catching on?
Do you think Spo can coach a lineup like this? I can't think of one big lineup he has successfully coached?

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