Midgets @ Pistons 12/6 7:30PM

[Hallstar]

We really don't win when Tyler has a great game. Really interesting to note. Could be confirmation bias on my part.

We can't play a 6'5" g-leaguer at pf. I don't understand how spo is the only coach in the NBA that doesn't realize this. I don't understand the need to not only try and reinvent the wheel, but to do so by using a square design, stubbornly.

Well to be fair, Herro only has good games when other top players are out of the lineup, and the team can't score so he takes up the majority of the possessions. If others would be cooking, he wouldn't need to score and would be limited in amount of possessions, Herro is also a negative defender, so if he is going up against another scorer, chances are he plays them to an even keel.

Not to mention that we started losing in the second half precisely when Herro stopped scoring in volume. The obsession the fan base has with finding a way to blame him for something even when he legitimately wasn’t the problem is wild.

When Herro was scoring we had the lead in the first half. When he stopped, we literally got blown out in the second half. But can’t let that get in the way of predetermined narratives that fit our weird biases.

Exactly, the message at half time should have been Herro and Bam and get out of the way. Instead we tried to distribute and got blown off the court. Herro should have been going for 45 and Bam 30+ unless Detroit proved they could stop it.

[Shewasfly]

Can someone talk me through who the dominant or even average bigs are that Spo has been given that he hasn’t utilized? That he’s refused to play? He made Whiteside a focal point. He’s finding minutes for bum ass Dedmond for God’s sake. We literally have no bigs after that sans the corpse of UD. The only people overly committed to positionless basketball seem to be our FO, who refuses to field a roster with anyone over 6’8 besides Bam.

Until we actually give Spo big players who aren’t rookies and he refuses to play them, the stuff about him refusing to play big is unsubstantiated as far as I’m concerned. This comes down to horrible roster construction. He def should be playing Jokic more though. Not bc he will save anything like y’all are fooling yourselves to believe but bc why tf not. Team sucks anyway

Hmm....Yurt last year? You aren't wrong by the way, but after watching Spo run PJ Tucker to the ground in the first half of the season playing the 4 while he had a big he could've utilized just leads me to believe that no matter what....he's sticking with positionless BS because that's all he knows or cares to know. Fair point on Dedmon also, but his minutes are purely for sparing Bam....otherwise we're either playing Bam all 48 minutes or playing Caleb at the 5 lol because we all know Jovic ain't sniffing the court. Watching Dedmon makes me miss Kelly Olynyk sometimes haha....

Yurt was a rookie so I excluded him with my initial comment. I don’t think he was ready last year especially since we were contending (though I do think he could have gotten more play). But even if you include him, thats one big. Just compare that with the options in the front court that other contending teams have. It’s not even close. The roster is ****. In that regard especially but others too (like questionable current NBA level talent after the top 4).

[Shewasfly]

Well to be fair, Herro only has good games when other top players are out of the lineup, and the team can't score so he takes up the majority of the possessions. If others would be cooking, he wouldn't need to score and would be limited in amount of possessions, Herro is also a negative defender, so if he is going up against another scorer, chances are he plays them to an even keel.

Not to mention that we started losing in the second half precisely when Herro stopped scoring in volume. The obsession the fan base has with finding a way to blame him for something even when he legitimately wasn’t the problem is wild.

When Herro was scoring we had the lead in the first half. When he stopped, we literally got blown out in the second half. But can’t let that get in the way of predetermined narratives that fit our weird biases.

Exactly, the message at half time should have been Herro and Bam and get out of the way. Instead we tried to distribute and got blown off the court. Herro should have been going for 45 and Bam 30+ unless Detroit proved they could stop it.

I don’t even know if we went away from it or if the D just said “oh. Looks like y’all can’t do **** unless it’s Bam or Herro” and adjusted.

Either way the result was the same.

[ShulaDon92]

Also, Jovic, man. Shoot the fn ball like a man please. This kid, bro. Now he can't shoot? Send his ass back to Europe.

He's not a knockdown shooter his 3pt% sucked in the ABA, part of that was him being the primary ball handler and no one to create for him, his best skills are his passing/moving without the ball currently. He could potentially be and most likely will be one but he's more a all around basketball player currently than he is shooter at the pro level.

The Timberwolves made the same mistake with Bjelica (he came over way to late but at 28) thinking he was a pure knockdown shooter when he was also more a all round player who could shoot a high %.

Thanks for that perspective. Interesting. Jovic was shooting great in the preseason before he was put on ice. I guess he is more of a streak shooter. Cheers

[ShulaDon92]

Also, Jovic, man. Shoot the fn ball like a man please. This kid, bro. Now he can't shoot? Send his ass back to Europe.

He's not a knockdown shooter his 3pt% sucked in the ABA, part of that was him being the primary ball handler and no one to create for him, his best skills are his passing/moving without the ball currently. He could potentially be and most likely will be one but he's more a all around basketball player currently than he is shooter at the pro level.

The Timberwolves made the same mistake with Bjelica (he came over way to late but at 28) thinking he was a pure knockdown shooter when he was also more a all round player who could shoot a high %.

Thanks for that perspective. Interesting. Jovic was shooting great in the preseason before he was put on ice. I guess he is more of a streak shooter. Cheers

[abark]

He's not a knockdown shooter his 3pt% sucked in the ABA, part of that was him being the primary ball handler and no one to create for him, his best skills are his passing/moving without the ball currently. He could potentially be and most likely will be one but he's more a all around basketball player currently than he is shooter at the pro level.

The Timberwolves made the same mistake with Bjelica (he came over way to late but at 28) thinking he was a pure knockdown shooter when he was also more a all round player who could shoot a high %.

He’s not a knock down shooter but he shot 35.6% for MEGA over 25 games last year in the ABA. His career percentage was 36.1% if u include the 4 games he played in the previous year. So where are u getting that his 3 point % sucked in the ABA?

35.6% is a crap % is it not? He can shoot but his % don't back up him being a knockdown shooter at the pro level. He showed it in the junior comps and is clearly talented but again his best skills are not shooting currently.

League average is literally exactly 35.6%. So it’s not crap. It’s average. And when you are a 6’10” playmaking big that isn’t out there only to launch 3’s on offense it’s perfectly acceptable.

[Pokuokic]

He’s not a knock down shooter but he shot 35.6% for MEGA over 25 games last year in the ABA. His career percentage was 36.1% if u include the 4 games he played in the previous year. So where are u getting that his 3 point % sucked in the ABA?

35.6% is a crap % is it not? He can shoot but his % don't back up him being a knockdown shooter at the pro level. He showed it in the junior comps and is clearly talented but again his best skills are not shooting currently.

League average is literally exactly 35.6%. So it’s not crap. It’s average. And when you are a 6’10” playmaking big that isn’t out there only to launch 3’s on offense it’s perfectly acceptable.

That's the exact point I was making I think we are on the same page that he's not a strictly knockdown shooter.

[abark]

35.6% is a crap % is it not? He can shoot but his % don't back up him being a knockdown shooter at the pro level. He showed it in the junior comps and is clearly talented but again his best skills are not shooting currently.

League average is literally exactly 35.6%. So it’s not crap. It’s average. And when you are a 6’10” playmaking big that isn’t out there only to launch 3’s on offense it’s perfectly acceptable.

That's the exact point I was making I think we are on the same page that he's not a strictly knockdown shooter.

I guess. Except for the idea that 35.6% three point shooting should ever be described as crap