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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#401 » by eddieheatfan » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:08 am

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KingDavid wrote:I see the game plan spo wants to employ, but it's not gonna hold up in the playoffs.
which is?

Get Jimmy and Bam going a little bit, then when one of them goes to the bench, green light for Herro to chuck; which is contagious because everyone else gets a green light to chuck.
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#402 » by Beenie » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:09 am

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No.. the 3s have been there, players aren't making them and it also seems they're not accountable for missing them either. I'd flip flop Strus and Robinson as rotation players depending on who is making their shots, maybe they'll get serious about working on their shots.


I'm seeing Allen and some of the other Bucks at times get looks where no one is within 3 steps of them.

Duncan and Strus rarely see those kinds of looks. (not that i'm confident that they would make them at this point)

Don't care, they're professionals, they can go work on their shots for hours on end with trainers or systems like NOAH (which I'm not sure Miami has). Some open shots barely hit rim on the misses, that's just inexcusable.


Sure, I'm on board with lamenting Mia's 3 point shooting woes as we all do game in and game out.

My point here though is that coaching doesn't escape from also getting criticized.

Its not like the ball is zipping around and eventually finding the open player on a regular or even a semi regular basis.

Too often these guys are having to dribble into their shots which isnt as efficient as the catch and shoot generally speaking.
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#403 » by Shewasfly » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:13 am

The way that Jimmy and Bam score does make the offense particularly tricky.

If you look at the stars across the league they are either 3 point threats or elite getting to the rim and scoring inside or both. Jimmy is more of a post player in terms of how he scores inside, and Bam takes (and granted, has started to often make this season) relatively open mid range or paint jumpers that don’t move the defense and most defenses are ok to give up. It makes it a lot harder for role players to play off them and to create an offense around them.

I’m not making excuses for them, but just compare them to other tandems and you’ll see the difference.

I continue to say flipping Bam for KD was the perfect decision to make during the off season and, if Nets were actually dumb enough to do it, we should have done in a heartbeat.
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#404 » by dolphinatik » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:13 am

not overreacting but its hard to argue with being dead last in scoring offense. We have not made the best decisions with personnel, development, scheme or rotations. On to the next game.
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#405 » by KingDavid » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:17 am

Shewasfly wrote:The way that Jimmy and Bam score does make the offense particularly tricky.

If you look at the stars across the league they are either 3 point threats or elite getting to the rim and scoring inside or both. Jimmy is more of a post player in terms of how he scores inside, and Bam takes (and granted, has started to often make this season) relatively open mid range or paint jumpers that don’t move the defense and most defenses are ok to give up. It makes it a lot harder for role players to play off them and to create an offense around them.

I’m not making excuses for them, but just compare them to other tandems and you’ll see the difference.

I continue to say flipping Bam for KD was the perfect decision to make during the off season and, if Nets were actually dumb enough to do it, we should have done in a heartbeat.

Nets wanted Bam and Herro.
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#406 » by Flash4thewin » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:17 am

AirP. wrote:
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AirP. wrote:
No.. the 3s have been there, players aren't making them and it also seems they're not accountable for missing them either. I'd flip flop Strus and Robinson as rotation players depending on who is making their shots, maybe they'll get serious about working on their shots.


I'm seeing Allen and some of the other Bucks at times get looks where no one is within 3 steps of them.

Duncan and Strus rarely see those kinds of looks. (not that i'm confident that they would make them at this point)

Don't care, they're professionals, they can go work on their shots for hours on end with trainers or systems like NOAH (which I'm not sure Miami has). Some open shots barely hit rim on the misses, that's just inexcusable.


I’m reminded of something someone once said here, even back in the Beasley era, we would just practice def and ignore the offense.
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#407 » by Shewasfly » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:21 am

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Shewasfly wrote:The way that Jimmy and Bam score does make the offense particularly tricky.

If you look at the stars across the league they are either 3 point threats or elite getting to the rim and scoring inside or both. Jimmy is more of a post player in terms of how he scores inside, and Bam takes (and granted, has started to often make this season) relatively open mid range or paint jumpers that don’t move the defense and most defenses are ok to give up. It makes it a lot harder for role players to play off them and to create an offense around them.

I’m not making excuses for them, but just compare them to other tandems and you’ll see the difference.

I continue to say flipping Bam for KD was the perfect decision to make during the off season and, if Nets were actually dumb enough to do it, we should have done in a heartbeat.

Nets wanted Bam and Herro.

And we should have done it.
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#408 » by Flash4thewin » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:26 am

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Shewasfly wrote:The way that Jimmy and Bam score does make the offense particularly tricky.

If you look at the stars across the league they are either 3 point threats or elite getting to the rim and scoring inside or both. Jimmy is more of a post player in terms of how he scores inside, and Bam takes (and granted, has started to often make this season) relatively open mid range or paint jumpers that don’t move the defense and most defenses are ok to give up. It makes it a lot harder for role players to play off them and to create an offense around them.

I’m not making excuses for them, but just compare them to other tandems and you’ll see the difference.

I continue to say flipping Bam for KD was the perfect decision to make during the off season and, if Nets were actually dumb enough to do it, we should have done in a heartbeat.

Nets wanted Bam and Herro.

And we should have done it.

It would have been something like Bam, Herro Lowery for KD and Simmons since Bam and Simmons can’t be on the same team.
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#409 » by twix2500 » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:26 am

dolphinatik wrote:not overreacting but its hard to argue with being dead last in scoring offense. We have not made the best decisions with personnel, development, scheme or rotations. On to the next game.
Naw man the Heat have the personal now to be a better offense team. The starting unit played well offensively in the 1st quarter. The defense was off sync. But then came Strus ball at the end of the 1st and majority of the 2nd and deflated everything. I am baffled that Spo had Bam, Duncan and Dipo in the game to play off of Strus!!!

They were using Strus like he was Steph Curry

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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#410 » by Shewasfly » Sat Feb 25, 2023 3:29 am

Flash4thewin wrote:
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KingDavid wrote:Nets wanted Bam and Herro.

And we should have done it.

It would have been something like Bam, Herro Lowery for KD and Simmons since Bam and Simmons can’t be on the same team.

Simmons could have been diverted somewhere else with a third team too though. Imo if we could have found a way to get KD and another rotation player we should have done it.
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#411 » by DayofMourning » Sat Feb 25, 2023 4:57 am

Need to go 20 and 2 to finish.
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#413 » by 3ballbomber » Sat Feb 25, 2023 5:18 am

AirP. wrote:Also looking at the bench.. no one seems all that upset being embarrassed like this.


As a former nba bettor this game is what's called situational. 1st gm of a back-2-back vs the 2nd team in the east & league. Inserting 2 new players who aren't game conditioned. Then tomorrow we face the lowly Hornets on the tail end of the back-to-back, who are 2nd last in the east & 3rd last in the league. It wld be a spot to fade the Heat & take the spread w/ the Bucks.....then hammer Miami vs Charlotte.

I believe this is a look ahead game for Miami which may explain the teams demeanour.
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#414 » by oreon » Sat Feb 25, 2023 8:03 am

Our shooters this season from 3
Herro 36.9 on 8 3PA
Struss 33.8 on 7.7 3PA
Lowry 33.3 on 6.1 3PA
Gabe 32.9 on 5.4 3PA
Robinson 32.9 on 5 3PA
Oladipo 29.6 on 4.8 3PA
Caleb 36.1 on 3.7 pa

Last season
Robinson 37.2 on 7.9 3PA
Herro 39.9 on 6.7 3PA
Struss 41 on 6.5 3PA
Lowry 37.7 on 6.1 3PA
Gabe 36.8 on 4.8 3PA
Oladipo 41.7 on 4.5 3PA
Caleb 41.3 on 2.6 3PA

Literally all of our shooters are having a down year at the same time. Herro and Caleb decrease can be explained partly by shooting more 3s. But everyone less is shooting less and significantly worse.
Easily the no 1 reason our offense sucks. Good news is you don't expect them to keep on shooting like this, specifically Struss, Herro. At some point you hope they should go back to their averages. Lowry & Robinson I have no hopes for. Those 2 are turning out to be horrible contracts and the reason we can't make any moves in the trade market.
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#415 » by contract » Sat Feb 25, 2023 11:23 am

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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#416 » by El Alonzo scowl » Sat Feb 25, 2023 1:27 pm

Didn't even watch cause I figured Giannis wouldn't play and we would blow them out.

Are you ****ing ****ting me man come on WTF is this ****?
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#417 » by twozeroMM » Sat Feb 25, 2023 2:51 pm

What I feel would change things a little is if Jimmy approached these games the same way he does in the post season and thats looking for his shot more consistently. This would open up things way more.

Right now him and Bam can only function in the paint, and usually it's them doing their own thing and not in the flow of the offense.
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Re: Fri, 2/24 @ MIL 7:30 PM 

Post#418 » by HEATVols865 » Sat Feb 25, 2023 4:31 pm

Spo: we need a big that can shoot
Also Spo: I’m only giving Kevin Love 4 shots and I’ll give Caleb 10, Uncan 6, and Strus 7. FML


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