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AirP. wrote:Guess who's arm that is under the basket with only Trae between him and the ball?Spoiler:
Butler was dog#)($ tonight, but he at least had 9 assists, Herro had 0 assists and 4 TO to go with 26 points in 23 attempts.
AirP. wrote:Shewasfly wrote:
Lol what? You clearly went back and cherry picked plays where you specifically could scapegoat him. You need to just own your Herro hate, whether it makes ppl think you're a weirdo or not, and stop the lies. Its not like this would be the first time we're seeing this from you lol.
That's probably the most annoying thing about the posters with clear agendas on this board. Everybody can clearly see what their agendas are, but they have the nerve to play in our faces about it.
Imagine how crazy I'd look if I pretended I didn't dislike LeBron James. Like just say it with your chest lol
Stop the lies? I think most people know my thoughts on him and from time to time I post images about just plain stupid plays.
Here's my thoughts since you really want to know.
Pros
Herro doesn't usually shy away from big shots like some people will.
He's a really good shooter from the outside.
He has some nice offensive skills.
Cons
He's a subpar playmaker for teammates, likes to hand off grenades at the end of the shot clock.
He wastes a lot of the shot clock looking for his own shot.
He makes many stupid plays which is why his calculated ORTG is bad.
Unathletic for an NBA player.
He's horrible on defense and is lazy on that side of the ball although he showed signs this year of giving effort on defense.
His new contract is the newest bad contract of the FO until they give Vincent his new contract this summer.
It did get to me with people saying he had a good game (hence me doing work to get the images to show what I was talking about) because he hit some shots against the worst defender in the league (Trae) while causing so many problems for the team with stupid plays. Butler was bad, Bam wasn't good, but Herro causes so many problems outside of his shooting the ball that people just ignore. Hell, Spoelstra was bad. Everyone but Lowry was bad for Miami.
If you want to win in the playoffs you have to play defense and give great effort, this Miami team no longer does that, and I think Herro has a lot to do with that. If you want to try to win with Herro you need to dump the defense and go almost exclusively with offense, 1 or 2 roleplaying defenders and a shot blocker at center.
AirP. wrote:Shewasfly wrote:
Lol what? You clearly went back and cherry picked plays where you specifically could scapegoat him
That's probably the most annoying thing about the posters with clear agendas on this board. Everybody can clearly see what their agendas are, but they have the nerve to play in our faces about it.
Imagine how crazy I'd look if I pretended I didn't dislike LeBron James. Like just say it with your chest lol
Stop the lies? I think most people know my thoughts on him and from time to time I post images about just plain stupid plays.
Here's my thoughts since you really want to know.
Pros
Herro doesn't usually shy away from big shots like some people will.
He's a really good shooter from the outside.
He has some nice offensive skills.
Cons
He's a subpar playmaker for teammates, likes to hand off grenades at the end of the shot clock.
He wastes a lot of the shot clock looking for his own shot.
He makes many stupid plays which is why his calculated ORTG is bad.
Unathletic for an NBA player.
He's horrible on defense and is lazy on that side of the ball although he showed signs this year of giving effort on defense.
His new contract is the newest bad contract of the FO until they give Vincent his new contract this summer.
It did get to me with people saying he had a good game (hence me doing work to get the images to show what I was talking about) because he hit some shots against the worst defender in the league (Trae) while causing so many problems for the team with stupid plays. Butler was bad, Bam wasn't good, but Herro causes so many problems outside of his shooting the ball that people just ignore. Hell, Spoelstra was bad. Everyone but Lowry was bad for Miami.
If you want to win in the playoffs you have to play defense and give great effort, this Miami team no longer does that, and I think Herro has a lot to do with that. If you want to try to win with Herro you need to dump the defense and go almost exclusively with offense, 1 or 2 roleplaying defenders and a shot blocker at center.
Shewasfly wrote:Yeah...those are way too many keystrokes used to admit to what I already said. You hate Herro and whatever he does you will find a way to frame it as a negative.
Case in point, you normally rail against him doing anything besides shooting/scoring in any other game, yet are here criticizing him for not having assists in a game he scored well in. You point out that we should have went after their worst defender in one post, then degrade Herro scoring against their worst defender in another.
Its not like I'm expecting you to do any different. Its obvious pretty obsessive at this point. I'm just saying you ruin your own credibility trying to pretend you aren't incredibly biased against him.
Your agenda is similar to the paid Bam fan on here. Do you think any of us are fooled by him claiming Jimmy is his favorite player while he talks to himself posting back to back to back to back tweets with obscure, made up stats to make Bam look better? No! I'm just saying be honest with yourself.
AirP. wrote:Shewasfly wrote:Yeah...those are way too many keystrokes used to admit to what I already said. You hate Herro and whatever he does you will find a way to frame it as a negative.
Case in point, you normally rail against him doing anything besides shooting/scoring in any other game, yet are here criticizing him for not having assists in a game he scored well in. You point out that we should have went after their worst defender in one post, then degrade Herro scoring against their worst defender in another.
Its not like I'm expecting you to do any different. Its obvious pretty obsessive at this point. I'm just saying you ruin your own credibility trying to pretend you aren't incredibly biased against him.
Your agenda is similar to the paid Bam fan on here. Do you think any of us are fooled by him claiming Jimmy is his favorite player while he talks to himself posting back to back to back to back tweets with obscure, made up stats to make Bam look better? No! I'm just saying be honest with yourself.
Herro scored well in your view? He scored 26 points on 23 attempts, wow do you have a very low bar for someone scoring well. For an added bonus, he had 4 TOs and 0 assists, so in 27 possessions he produced 26 points for Miami all while playing poor defense.
AirP. wrote:Shewasfly wrote:Yeah...those are way too many keystrokes used to admit to what I already said. You hate Herro and whatever he does you will find a way to frame it as a negative.
Case in point, you normally rail against him doing anything besides shooting/scoring in any other game, yet are here criticizing him for not having assists in a game he scored well in. You point out that we should have went after their worst defender in one post, then degrade Herro scoring against their worst defender in another.
Its not like I'm expecting you to do any different. Its obvious pretty obsessive at this point. I'm just saying you ruin your own credibility trying to pretend you aren't incredibly biased against him.
Your agenda is similar to the paid Bam fan on here. Do you think any of us are fooled by him claiming Jimmy is his favorite player while he talks to himself posting back to back to back to back tweets with obscure, made up stats to make Bam look better? No! I'm just saying be honest with yourself.
Herro scored well in your view? He scored 26 points on 23 attempts, wow do you have a very low bar for someone scoring well. For an added bonus, he had 4 TOs and 0 assists, so in 27 possessions he produced 26 points for Miami all while playing poor defense.
AirP. wrote:Shewasfly wrote:Yeah...those are way too many keystrokes used to admit to what I already said. You hate Herro and whatever he does you will find a way to frame it as a negative.
Case in point, you normally rail against him doing anything besides shooting/scoring in any other game, yet are here criticizing him for not having assists in a game he scored well in. You point out that we should have went after their worst defender in one post, then degrade Herro scoring against their worst defender in another.
Its not like I'm expecting you to do any different. Its obvious pretty obsessive at this point. I'm just saying you ruin your own credibility trying to pretend you aren't incredibly biased against him.
Your agenda is similar to the paid Bam fan on here. Do you think any of us are fooled by him claiming Jimmy is his favorite player while he talks to himself posting back to back to back to back tweets with obscure, made up stats to make Bam look better? No! I'm just saying be honest with yourself.
Herro scored well in your view? He scored 26 points on 23 attempts, wow do you have a very low bar for someone scoring well. For an added bonus, he had 4 TOs and 0 assists, so in 27 possessions he produced 26 points for Miami all while playing poor defense.
Herro did have a good game when I saw him in person against OKC, he put up 35 points and went 9 of 17 behind the arc, he had an even better game the next night in Houston hitting 10 3s and 41 points but last night was not a good scoring game.
Shewasfly wrote:AirP. wrote:Shewasfly wrote:Yeah...those are way too many keystrokes used to admit to what I already said. You hate Herro and whatever he does you will find a way to frame it as a negative.
Case in point, you normally rail against him doing anything besides shooting/scoring in any other game, yet are here criticizing him for not having assists in a game he scored well in. You point out that we should have went after their worst defender in one post, then degrade Herro scoring against their worst defender in another.
Its not like I'm expecting you to do any different. Its obvious pretty obsessive at this point. I'm just saying you ruin your own credibility trying to pretend you aren't incredibly biased against him.
Your agenda is similar to the paid Bam fan on here. Do you think any of us are fooled by him claiming Jimmy is his favorite player while he talks to himself posting back to back to back to back tweets with obscure, made up stats to make Bam look better? No! I'm just saying be honest with yourself.
Herro scored well in your view? He scored 26 points on 23 attempts, wow do you have a very low bar for someone scoring well. For an added bonus, he had 4 TOs and 0 assists, so in 27 possessions he produced 26 points for Miami all while playing poor defense.
He did. In a game where we were anemic with consistent scoring from our 2 max players, he provided what was desperately needed. I actually watched the game though, and didn't just scour the net for things to make a player I don't like look bad after the fact. I also don't get taking pleasure in Tyler not getting calls when he plays for your (purported) team, seeing as that is why his shot attempts are normally so high--bc they aren't offset by free throw attempts. He needs to get A LOT better at drawing contact, but its undeniable that the bumps and pulls other slight of frame scorers get calls for, he never does.
The point is you pretty clearly ignore context or skew it for negative when it involves him. This isn't something that is debatable, and its comical and unnecessary when you pretend otherwise.
Someone else pointed out to you already that there were several plays where we were putting pressure on the Hawks and/or they were rolling, and Jimmy would mess with our momentum or help their run by missing consecutive bunnies he normally makes. Its okay to put that into context and say that hurt us a lot, instead of just looking at the numbers after the fact and saying "well if he'd have made 3 of those he missed in the middle of our runs, he'd be at 50%!" Especially while using every context available, to the point of even making **** up, to make another player look like ****, when his scoring actually helped us come back, "efficiency" and assists be damned.
AirP. wrote:Shewasfly wrote:AirP. wrote:
Herro scored well in your view? He scored 26 points on 23 attempts, wow do you have a very low bar for someone scoring well. For an added bonus, he had 4 TOs and 0 assists, so in 27 possessions he produced 26 points for Miami all while playing poor defense.
He did. In a game where we were anemic with consistent scoring from our 2 max players, he provided what was desperately needed. I actually watched the game though, and didn't just scour the net for things to make a player I don't like look bad after the fact. I also don't get taking pleasure in Tyler not getting calls when he plays for your (purported) team, seeing as that is why his shot attempts are normally so high--bc they aren't offset by free throw attempts. He needs to get A LOT better at drawing contact, but its undeniable that the bumps and pulls other slight of frame scorers get calls for, he never does.
The point is you pretty clearly ignore context or skew it for negative when it involves him. This isn't something that is debatable, and its comical and unnecessary when you pretend otherwise.
Someone else pointed out to you already that there were several plays where we were putting pressure on the Hawks and/or they were rolling, and Jimmy would mess with our momentum or help their run by missing consecutive bunnies he normally makes. Its okay to put that into context and say that hurt us a lot, instead of just looking at the numbers after the fact and saying "well if he'd have made 3 of those he missed in the middle of our runs, he'd be at 50%!" Especially while using every context available, to the point of even making **** up, to make another player look like ****, when his scoring actually helped us come back, "efficiency" and assists be damned.
Yes, Butler's game was ass, he looked like the same Butler who got swept by the Bucks 2 seasons ago, what exactly am I missing about Butler. I didn't really notice Butler doing much of anything positive on either side of the court last night and basically everyone else seemed to think the same way. Yes, the bunnies misses were bad but here's the thing you and others don't seem to get, you don't have to miss a shot to screw up the flow, the plays I pointed out that it seems people like you missed also had a lot to do with messing with the flow but most people like yourself on this board ignore those plays and basically say look at his points.
Since you hate numbers here's a couple more, last night Butler had a horrific ORTG of 96 last night, that's terrible, your view of a good scoring game of Herro... an ORTG of 86. It could be worse; they could have been Martin who had a 27 ORTG last night.
It was a pain getting those pics last night but I thought it would enlighten a few people on how Herro contributes to losing on nights when people like you think he did good. These plays happen a lot, maybe I need to start posting them more often so you understand how much he does hurt the team. Hopefully the season will be over in a couple of nights and with that, Miami can have a higher pick.
Shewasfly wrote:Who is ignoring those plays from Herro? They just didn't take away from the overall solid offensive game he had. Someone objective could admit that, easily. Even in games were Jimmy is incredible you will always be able to pinpoint a few miscues. That will actually be the case for all players. They are still human. Bam mental midget ass reminded us of that.
And I don't hate numbers, I just don't use them to drive personal agendas like you. Someone who can get to the FT line at will and doesn't shoot contested 3s has a better ORTG than someone who does?? Nooooo.
But anyway, not going to keep going back and forth. Was trying to give you a protip since everyone else not also in on the agenda can see how cringe your hate is at this point, but I'll let you cook. Back to Excel you go.
Shewasfly wrote:Spoiler:
That's probably the most annoying thing about the posters with clear agendas on this board. Everybody can clearly see what their agendas are, but they have the nerve to play in our faces about it.
Imagine how crazy I'd look if I pretended I didn't dislike LeBron James. Like just say it with your chest lol
unowen85 wrote:Remember when people tried to put Bam in the same list as HOF’ers Shaq, Zo, and Bosh? Let’s not do that again.
