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2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - To play in, or not to play in

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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - To play in, or not to play in 

Post#1961 » by AirP. » Mon May 8, 2023 8:11 pm

greg4012 wrote:
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Same seems to apply to Vincent.

Wish so badly that we could just give them Duncan's remaining salary to split lol

Not quite, players like Vincent are easier to replace than Strus who plays 2-4 for Miami. Just look back in the last 7 years for Miami, you've added cheap players like Waiters and Nunn and I know in my old Chicago fan days they rotated smaller scorers on minimu deals over and over (some players Miami fans may remember), Nate Robinson, DJ Augustine (cut by the Bobcats and Raptors the year he stuck with Chicago), John Lucas III, C.Duhon and A.Brooks, hell, Chicago even cut Dinwiddie in spring training while he looked good. There's always guys you can find who can score (they just might not be good at much else)... how about just giving Bouyea a small 2-3 year contract at the minimum?


But Vincent's POA defense is valuable and one thing that Nunn sucked at. Pair that with shooting (hopefully) and secondary scoring and it becomes a little more viable than replacement level.

I just want Miami to retain some defensive guard help that can be a complementary 2-way player. I don't want the burden of defending the fast perimeter scorers to default to Jimmy.

If we can replace Vincent for cheap with someone who checks those boxes, I'm all for it.

Correct! Yes, Vincent does add effort on the defensive end which a lot of those other guards couldn't do, but look around and see if there's cheaper options out there vs just handing over a bigger than needed contract to retain him. Going back to Robinson, not only did Miami have a possible replacement for him on the bench in Strus, but M.Monk was also available at a much lower price, I believe he signed with LA for 5 mil and then signed a multiyear deal with Sacramento for 10 mil per year and he's a very good 3pt shooter with a much more diverse game than Robinson. It's little things like this that can save money to be utilized somewhere else.

Right now, it's quite possible paying Vincent and/or Strus locks this team in for the next 2-3 years and if Miami overpays them, it'll be really hard to retool the team without throwing assets out the window to make it happen. Don't forget, these guys did not play well in the regular season in a much larger dataset. Vincent shot .334 from 3pt range on 5.1 3pt attempts, that's a pretty big sample size, Strus shot .350 from 3pt range on 7 3pt attempts a game. Don't overpay based on a small sample size... in the playoffs Strus is shooting a solid .385 from 3pt range on 4.9 attempts per game and Gabe... .377 from 3pt range on 7.6 3s a game. Don't let them Biyombo you.
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Biyombo was essentially paid for one solid playoff run with the Raptors — he posted three double-doubles and eight games with double-digit rebounds, including a 26-rebound performance against the Cavaliers in Game 3 of the 2016 Eastern Conference finals.

His production has not been the same since then. He has failed to take on a consistent starting center role despite making starting center money.

T.Johnson is also on that list, I think you may remember him.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/top-10-most-overpaid-nba-players-hornets-timberwolves-contracts/1r22zeii59sih1qm35zwgjfu4c

It's just weird how Miami seems to be ok vastly overpaying their own players when there's probably better options on the market and then just let some walk away for small contracts like Nunn or Dragic (Miami could have had him back to back years for the minimum on their bench), it's just odd.
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - To play in, or not to play in 

Post#1962 » by MartyConlonJr » Mon May 8, 2023 8:39 pm

3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
goodboys lats wrote:Let's say hypothetically the Heat and Warriors make the finals. Who gets home court advantage? The RS records were tied.


Pretty sure I read that we do for winning our division.


Yep that checks out. How freaking wild would it be to be an 8th seed in the NBA Finals with homecourt advantage?

Though not having home court seems to work for us (winning both game 1's so far), as it sort of takes the pressure off to get 2 chances to take home court back while we build a strategy. I think Spo is made for 7 game series as he does make adjustments over time.
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Post#1963 » by AirP. » Mon May 8, 2023 8:45 pm

It is crazy how little of attention the Miami Heat gets from the national media. They're possibly going to their 3rd ECF in 4 seasons, and I hear nearly zero about them. Now some of the ESPN personalities talk about how they're told to push certain teams... for instance... the Lakers and good lord it's about all I hear, then again in Miami's big 3 era they did the same for Miami. I'm looking at the Lowe Post podcast summary on the podcast, everyone but the Knicks and Heat are mentioned. It's a crazy amount of disrespect for a team who underperformed during the season then dispatched the top team in 5 games, it was bad enough they fired their coach who led them to being the #1 seed.
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - To play in, or not to play in 

Post#1964 » by IceColdCubano » Mon May 8, 2023 8:58 pm

AirP. wrote:It is crazy how little of attention the Miami Heat gets from the national media. They're possibly going to their 3rd ECF in 4 seasons, and I hear nearly zero about them. Now some of the ESPN personalities talk about how they're told to push certain teams... for instance... the Lakers and good lord it's about all I hear, then again in Miami's big 3 era they did the same for Miami. I'm looking at the Lowe Post podcast summary on the podcast, everyone but the Knicks and Heat are mentioned. It's a crazy amount of disrespect for a team who underperformed during the season then dispatched the top team in 5 games, it was bad enough they fired their coach who led them to being the #1 seed.

Get to the Eastern Conference, better yet NBA Finals theyll have no choice but talk about you no matter what.
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Re: 2023 Miami Heat Regular Season Thread - To play in, or not to play in 

Post#1965 » by heatwillbeback » Tue May 9, 2023 1:56 am

We got to change the title of this thread. :lol:

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