Miami Heat Offseason Thread 5.0: Snooze Season

[KingDavid]

I’m back from a 12-hour compulsory hiatus. A well-intentioned moderator must have thought I was actually trying to troll y’all.

There isn't a strike for you, just a notification that you were banned. You did troll on the GB on Thursday. You can't interlope on general board masquerading as a fan of other teams and cause arguments with your trolling. It's hilarious (I was cackling at that Nets fan) but that's an easy strike.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I honestly thought before the offseason began that we could stack dipo and lowry expiring with picks to improve the talent level of the team. Right now, we would have to stack lowry and an existing long term contract to try to get a star.. seems like that makes it more difficult

Yup now your asking Portland to deal with Duncan’s contract and beg a third team to take on Herro but never thought Lowry and Dipo was going to work in the first place either

Or the 3rd team is sending part of the salary going back to Portland along with Lowry. There are still multiple angles to do this. It doesn’t have to hinge on moving Duncan.

For long term cap flexibility we need to move both Duncan and Herro to mirror Dame’s salary. My original trade proposal with the Hornets still works if they take both or Blazers keep Duncan.

[KingHomer21]

This dude has had interesting tweets come to fruition - and then his account gets taken down lol. Take it for what it's worth..

[MettaWorldPanda]

Maybe we can pick up John Wall or Cory Joseph for PG depth. Let Lowry be the backup to one of them and bring back one of the G-league players such as Dru Smith or Bouyea to be 3rd string.

Both Klutch garbage so hard pass by us

[Flash4thewin]

I honestly thought before the offseason began that we could stack dipo and lowry expiring with picks to improve the talent level of the team. Right now, we would have to stack lowry and an existing long term contract to try to get a star.. seems like that makes it more difficult

Yup now your asking Portland to deal with Duncan’s contract and beg a third team to take on Herro but never thought Lowry and Dipo was going to work in the first place either

Or the 3rd team is sending part of the salary going back to Portland along with Lowry. There are still multiple angles to do this. It doesn’t have to hinge on moving Duncan.

Technically yes but in reality it seems unlikely. Our best shot was Lowry + Oladipo + everything else to give them a clean sheet. They just spend 30 mil on Grant. We probably got word Dame is not happening and then went on to address our key needs.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Read on Twitter

hahahaha, what was your Herro going to RFA argument again?


Is this the environment you wanted to negotiate in?

It changes nothing. People get trapped in this mindset that you have to pay a guy whatever someone else will pay him (market value), but market value is not relevant. You pay a guy his replacement cost. Vincent ($11 mil per) and Strus ($16? mil per) just left, and we signed JRich for the minimum. That is their replacement cost. That's how it's done. If you let the market dictate you will end up paying a premium for every single player on your roster.

Not to mention these aren’t straight up free agent contract negotiations, they’re extensions. What team with cap space was throwing $40M+ at Herro this offseason? None. If so you do a sign and trade and get an asset out of it

[SoFlaKingReal]

The second round pick we are getting for Strus is the Lakers 2025 2nd rounder.

[Johnny Fontane]

This dude has had interesting tweets come to fruition - and then his account gets taken down lol. Take it for what it's worth..

Guys had a lucky streak, but these clowns always get exposed every year when they try to break the big story and it never happens

[inhabitMiami]

This dude has had interesting tweets come to fruition - and then his account gets taken down lol. Take it for what it's worth..

It isn't taken down. He deactivates and reactivates to share more news. Also he's been right about... almost everything lol. Only thing was Gabe to Lakers but today we learned Raptors were very interested and Lakers basically swooped in after he tweeted that.

[greg4012]

I'm amazed at how narratives drive people's perceptions. These guys had breakout years?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2023.html

Show me. Find anything on there that even hints at any kind of breakout for either player.

If a lie gets repeated enough, people will just accept it without question.

Personally, I find actions/efforts to try to degrade the outgoing guys who absolutely gave their all and helped us win to be cringe af

It's not over valuating your own players. They are who they are is the point. Yes you can thank them for getting hot at certain key points in the season... say play-in game 2 where Strus hit 31 and Gabe got hot a number of games in the playoffs but these guys didn't show up much when Miami lost the last 7 of 9 playoff games. They're streaky guys that got hot at good times and you know what, if Miami keeps developing players(which they will) new guys will show up that are streaky and may get hot at certain points when it's needed.

Miami is in a unique situation with 2 stars that are defensive players that really don't look for their own shots like normal stars do, this allows the lesser players offensive roles to get propped up and with that they're going to get stats. Look at Richardson who just got brought back, he almost averaged 17 a game for Miami his last year and since then once near 14 but mostly hovering around 10 ppg while in his prime. I'd expect he's going to contribute way more than that 10ppg next year for Miami based on his role on a team with 2 stars who aren't looking for their shots.

It’s pretty easy to recognize all of the above and not incessantly sh*t on the role players all the same. I’m proud of them. Miami going undrafteds that had x physical traits, y skill traits, and the right mindset re work and improvement and created rotation caliber NBA players. I’m not disillusioned about them being anything more than that and I’m perfectly happy to see them go as we don’t need to commit that salary to them. It worked out perfectly imo.

To act like these players are total garbage or less deserving of the money or opportunity to continue their career pursuits than the rest of the multitude of interchangeable rotation level players circulating around the NBA is off putting (to put it mildly).

I’m glad the org I root for is finding better value solutions this offseason rather than repaying the replacement level players. But that’s what they now are, replacement level rotation players. I’m proud of them for that.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The second round pick we are getting for Strus is the Lakers 2025 2nd rounder.

Nice to have a second in the back pocket not 10 years from now

[HeatingUp3]

Let me start new thread I’ll deliver us Dame

[BlueHeat]

Why are people arguing on here lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Read on Twitter

Damn couldn’t get the pick protections off. Good luck getting that 2024 pick to trade for Dame yeesh

Good lord, 1 2nd should’ve been for the Dump, they other to lift protections. So we’ve used 3 2nds on salary dumps since the deadline

[Rapaz]

There isn't a strike for you, just a notification that you were banned. You did troll on the GB on Thursday. You can't interlope on general board masquerading as a fan of other teams and cause arguments with your trolling. It's hilarious (I was cackling at that Nets fan) but that's an easy strike.

They cut me down for this?!

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[Vertical Limit]

I honestly thought before the offseason began that we could stack dipo and lowry expiring with picks to improve the talent level of the team. Right now, we would have to stack lowry and an existing long term contract to try to get a star.. seems like that makes it more difficult

Yup now your asking Portland to deal with Duncan’s contract and beg a third team to take on Herro but never thought Lowry and Dipo was going to work in the first place either

Thats why i kind of feel like the dame talks are done.. we would need extensive help for it to get done.

Our hope now is that, a team like the Clippers go through a collapse, go way below .500, that by the deadline their front office is trying to trade away PG/kawhi in a salary dump.

There will be that scenario for other star players around the league by the deadline, where their team just plays way below expectations and are not in the playoff race and the GM’s will look for expiring to clean house. I could see the Pelicans try to trade Ingram if their season goes to **** by the deadline.. i could see the warriors go on a salary dump as well for klay if their season goes to ****..

But dame, portland will be asking for too much in return even if their season goes bad. Dame is top 3 in his position. It would be stupid not to ask at minimum 5 picks which most would be unprotected, and expirings

[greg4012]

Yup now your asking Portland to deal with Duncan’s contract and beg a third team to take on Herro but never thought Lowry and Dipo was going to work in the first place either

Or the 3rd team is sending part of the salary going back to Portland along with Lowry. There are still multiple angles to do this. It doesn’t have to hinge on moving Duncan.

For long term cap flexibility we need to move both Duncan and Herro to mirror Dame’s salary. My original trade proposal with the Hornets still works if they take both or Blazers keep Duncan.

But the Duncan move doesn’t need to be in the Dame move in theory. Dame can be traded for in theory without anyone needing to take on Duncan. If he’s included in such a hypo trade, all the better.

Let’s say a move for Dame gets done this offseason, and it doesn’t include Duncan. A subsequent trade of Duncan to serve “long term cap flexibility” can occur next offseason—at which point in time (a) Duncan may have continued to revive his value after and (b) Duncan will only have 2 years left on his deal. That also allows more time for Miami to create new value through developed players on cheap contracts that can potentially be dealt out with Duncan.

I’m not trying to predict what’s to come. Just mapping out the range of avenues.