**NBA Draft Discussion 2024**

[MettaWorldPanda]

If Topic is gonna fall to 10, I’d love to see how we can move up from 15 to nab him. Really love his game, and would be epic to get Gogi on the staff to work with him.

Ainge will ask for the Winslow trade package as a joke if we end up calling him to jump 5 spots lol. 7 is Cronin, 8 is pop, and 9 would probably be our best bet with Grizz but they’ll be weighing out taking Clingan, Carter, or Topic.

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Red flags be a poppin with Collier. I don’t think we’ll be going near him

Collier is trying to hide his broken shot as much as he can I bet. And what's crazy is that it doesn't look THAT bad form wise, it's just stiff and doesn't spin the ball properly. Like it's a knuckle ball or something. That's kinda a concerning problem to have tho, no clear problems make it harder to fix, if he even can.

Coming off like a mini Bustice Winslow. Everyone who passed on him worked him out and knew his shot was broken. We didn’t work him out and took him anyway cause he played for Duke and coming off a championship. That had to be a young Arison pound the table pick.

[twix2500]

Red flags be a poppin with Collier. I don’t think we’ll be going near him

Collier is trying to hide his broken shot as much as he can I bet. And what's crazy is that it doesn't look THAT bad form wise, it's just stiff and doesn't spin the ball properly. Like it's a knuckle ball or something. That's kinda a concerning problem to have tho, no clear problems make it harder to fix, if he even can.

Coming off like a mini Bustice Winslow. Everyone who passed on him worked him out and knew his shot was broken. We didn’t work him out and took him anyway cause he played for Duke and coming off a championship. That had to be a young Arison pound the table pick.

I believe Collier gonna have private workouts. Selective for the teams he wants to play for. I understand not doing proday. Collier is a well covered prospect. If he refuses to workout for the Heat then understand.

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I'm stanning hard here for DaRon Holmes. Shout out to Greg for being nice and early on this one. This kid is ready to go day one and help our front court out.

Digging the list of players he compared himself to--Naz Reid, Al Horford, Pascal Siakam. Good models to aspire to.

He’s a guy I’m pretty confident will max out his talent thru work and smarts, has a versatile enough skillset to take to the designated roles needed to succeed as a complementary player, and def take to quality coaching and player development.

He may not have the most untapped potential but he’s shown a lot and I think he can be very complementary to Bam and Jovic.

Hes the type of dude that will learn to play the game within the game and gain advantage doing so

[twix2500]

Collier is trying to hide his broken shot as much as he can I bet. And what's crazy is that it doesn't look THAT bad form wise, it's just stiff and doesn't spin the ball properly. Like it's a knuckle ball or something. That's kinda a concerning problem to have tho, no clear problems make it harder to fix, if he even can.

Coming off like a mini Bustice Winslow. Everyone who passed on him worked him out and knew his shot was broken. We didn’t work him out and took him anyway cause he played for Duke and coming off a championship. That had to be a young Arison pound the table pick.

I believe Collier gonna have private workouts. Selective for the teams he wants to play for. I understand not doing proday. Collier is a well covered prospect. If he refuses to workout for the Heat then understand.

I don't want to harp on Winslow but Collier is an elite offensive talent, Winslow wasn't. Winslow elite talent was on the defensive end. The Heat had a hard time finding a position for Winslow to play on offense. And then there was way way too high of expectation for him and as he admitted he had too high of expectations of himself. And according to him he was dealing with getting too much cheeks disease.

Collier biggest challenge is not three point shooting, its his defense. I know we try to compare stats but context matters. Collier was getting all the defensive schemes to stop him. Collier wasn't on a team that had high level talent to spread the defense and he still average 33% from 3. Collier was beating press defenses, traps and triple teams. And they were defending him beyond the 3 point line. Teams were trying to get the ball out his hands. One thing many have not talked about is Collier was scoring as a post up player as well. Collier dominates one on one matchups and scores WITHOUT space. The ability to score with space is an elite player attribute that can't be taught.

This is what we see Herro struggles with. When defenses press, him his entire game falls apart regardless how good he shoots open shots.

[greg4012]

Coming off like a mini Bustice Winslow. Everyone who passed on him worked him out and knew his shot was broken. We didn’t work him out and took him anyway cause he played for Duke and coming off a championship. That had to be a young Arison pound the table pick.

I believe Collier gonna have private workouts. Selective for the teams he wants to play for. I understand not doing proday. Collier is a well covered prospect. If he refuses to workout for the Heat then understand.

I don't want to harp on Winslow but Collier is an elite offensive talent, Winslow wasn't. Winslow elite talent was on the defensive end. The Heat had a hard time finding a position for Winslow to play on offense. And then there was way way too high of expectation for him and as he admitted he had too high of expectations of himself. And according to him he was dealing with getting too much cheeks disease.

Collier biggest challenge is not three point shooting, its his defense. I know we try to compare stats but context matters. Collier was getting all the defensive schemes to stop him. Collier wasn't on a team that had high level talent to spread the defense and he still average 33% from 3. Collier was beating press defenses, traps and triple teams. And they were defending him beyond the 3 point line. Teams were trying to get the ball out his hands. One thing many have not talked about is Collier was scoring as a post up player as well. Collier dominates one on one matchups and scores WITHOUT space. The ability to score with space is an elite player attribute that can't be taught.

This is what we see Herro struggles with. When defenses press, him his entire game falls apart regardless how good he shoots open shots.

I think Collier shot something like 37% on catch and shoot 3s. Encouraging for the prospect of him being able to expand role to play alongside other on-ball players. Obviously, he's projected to be at his best on the ball as a team's PG.

My biggest concern is if he will ever prove to be a pull up threat while on ball so that defenders can't go under screens on him.

He's the best slasher in this draft IMO and is one of the better play creators.

Def needs to leverage his strong build and quick feet to be a more consistent defender.

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I fully expect Cam Spencer to carve out a solid role in the NBA as a rotation guard. One of the best shooters in the class. Rock solid skillset across the board. Relentless competitor. Falls somewhere in the Grayson Allen-Donte Divincenzo archetype

[lastb1ckman]

Coming off like a mini Bustice Winslow. Everyone who passed on him worked him out and knew his shot was broken. We didn’t work him out and took him anyway cause he played for Duke and coming off a championship. That had to be a young Arison pound the table pick.

I believe Collier gonna have private workouts. Selective for the teams he wants to play for. I understand not doing proday. Collier is a well covered prospect. If he refuses to workout for the Heat then understand.

I don't want to harp on Winslow but Collier is an elite offensive talent, Winslow wasn't. Winslow elite talent was on the defensive end. The Heat had a hard time finding a position for Winslow to play on offense. And then there was way way too high of expectation for him and as he admitted he had too high of expectations of himself. And according to him he was dealing with getting too much cheeks disease.

Collier biggest challenge is not three point shooting, its his defense. I know we try to compare stats but context matters. Collier was getting all the defensive schemes to stop him. Collier wasn't on a team that had high level talent to spread the defense and he still average 33% from 3. Collier was beating press defenses, traps and triple teams. And they were defending him beyond the 3 point line. Teams were trying to get the ball out his hands. One thing many have not talked about is Collier was scoring as a post up player as well. Collier dominates one on one matchups and scores WITHOUT space. The ability to score with space is an elite player attribute that can't be taught.

This is what we see Herro struggles with. When defenses press, him his entire game falls apart regardless how good he shoots open shots.

I still think the shooting is the biggest problem. Collier is a quick athlete, but not THAT quick. It's like like he's a Westbrook that'll fly past everyone he meets and bang on them. If he can't shoot, modern nba defenses are gonna be able to take away the drive from him a lot of the time because he'll be too predictable and he's not THAT dominant as an athlete. He's also not some elite off ball player.

[twix2500]

I believe Collier gonna have private workouts. Selective for the teams he wants to play for. I understand not doing proday. Collier is a well covered prospect. If he refuses to workout for the Heat then understand.

I don't want to harp on Winslow but Collier is an elite offensive talent, Winslow wasn't. Winslow elite talent was on the defensive end. The Heat had a hard time finding a position for Winslow to play on offense. And then there was way way too high of expectation for him and as he admitted he had too high of expectations of himself. And according to him he was dealing with getting too much cheeks disease.

Collier biggest challenge is not three point shooting, its his defense. I know we try to compare stats but context matters. Collier was getting all the defensive schemes to stop him. Collier wasn't on a team that had high level talent to spread the defense and he still average 33% from 3. Collier was beating press defenses, traps and triple teams. And they were defending him beyond the 3 point line. Teams were trying to get the ball out his hands. One thing many have not talked about is Collier was scoring as a post up player as well. Collier dominates one on one matchups and scores WITHOUT space. The ability to score with space is an elite player attribute that can't be taught.

This is what we see Herro struggles with. When defenses press, him his entire game falls apart regardless how good he shoots open shots.

I still think the shooting is the biggest problem. Collier is a quick athlete, but not THAT quick. It's like like he's a Westbrook that'll fly past everyone he meets and bang on them. If he can't shoot, modern nba defenses are gonna be able to take away the drive from him a lot of the time because he'll be too predictable and he's not THAT dominant as an athlete. He's also not some elite off ball player.

I think you under estimating Collier quickness and his strength. Collier shot 33% while getting pressured beyond the 3pt line. Castle getting drafted and teams dare him to score 15 ft and out. College coaches didn't even count for him in their schemes. College teams was defending Castle how you are scared NBA teams will defend Collier. It's not like Collier isn't shooting. DAaron Fox shot 27% player with space because he had elite college teammates getting attention like Monk. Fox was still a good offenive player coming in the league. He went from good offensive player to elite once he became a decent threat from 3. Collier is just as quick as Fox but stronger. Collier should be just as good as Fox coming into the league. Shooting is just a difference for him from being good to elite


Everyone knee Ball and Fox couldnt shoot regardless of their stats in college. But everyone knew they both had elite offense potential.

[greg4012]

Collier will need enough 3 ball to not have everyone going under screens. Def clear swing skill for him and I think it might take him some time to get there. That's why I think being competent as a catch and shoot guy will be so important for him early. My outlook on Collier would be hoping that in a 3-4 year span he can become a solid overall shooter (importantly, including pull-up 3s). That's part of where my Kyle Lowry parallel came from.

Despite that, when Collier isn't the focus of the defense he will definitely find opportunities to feast with the better NBA spacing.

[twix2500]

Collier will need enough 3 ball to not have everyone going under screens. Def clear swing skill for him and I think it might take him some time to get there. That's why I think being competent as a catch and shoot guy will be so important for him early. My outlook on Collier would be hoping that in a 3-4 year span he can become a solid overall shooter (importantly, including pull-up 3s). That's part of where my Kyle Lowry parallel came from.

Despite that, when Collier isn't the focus of the defense he will definitely find opportunities to feast with the better NBA spacing.

If Collier is killing defenders without spacing imagine him with spacing. Let's not treat Collier like he is Markelle Fultz or Ben Simmons. Collier is not good shooter, but he is not a non shooter like Winslow, Futlz and Simmons. He is more Fox and Ball.

Collier has the ability to beat traps or press defense/point of attack defense. He feast on being attacked on defense

[MettaWorldPanda]

Wonder if Collier got an early promise from the Bulls at 11. They love USC players and BJ Armstrong is his agent.

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I like Carter, my question is he really a point guard or is he a 2 guard in a point body? Is he a guy who can run offense? In my book Carter and Collier are the top two guards prospects. I have them over Sheppard. I think Carter and Collier should go top ten

Carter reminds me a lot of Donovan Mitchell when I evaluated Mitchell at Louisville

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I still think don't over look Boogie Ellis in the 2nd round however would not be surprised he goes late 1st

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This fella fits Rexs boom or bust projection to a tee.

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This fella fits Rexs boom or bust projection to a tee.

OKC probably hoping he slips to 12 so they can reunite him with his brother