Game 19: Heat at Boston Dec 2nd @ 830 PM EST

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam is such a frustrating player to watch. I've been screaming at my TV for ages now wanting him to use his quickness on offense and drive to the basket. But that pathetic back to the basket game and his patented turnaround fadeaway brick is what we see time and again

That one time he drove and dunked on their huge lug of a center tonight is what he should have been doing all night long. Him being undersized on offense, there is no way he is going to be a reliable back to the basket player at this level.

How I wish this he learns to have a 3 or dunk mentality!

This is what I’ve been saying too for a couple years now, literally layups/dunks and 3s. If you’re in a good rhythm MAYBE get up 3 mid range jumpers a game depending on the situation.

It’s obviously early in the season but changing Herros shot diet to layups or 3s has made him a far more efficient player, it could do the same to others

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Not to speak for MWP, but I'm guessing that's part of what the comment was for. Roster construction takes into consideration that we paid flawed players like Bam & Herro like they were max guys. Not a recipe for success.

I still think this is salvageable if we can parlay Herro's strong play into a B-level star who is relatively young and could potentially make the leap to the next level. Not sold that it is Ingram, but someone of that ilk. I'm sure the ones with potential will be very hard to trade for, but there is a path to success however remote it looks now.

The Heat only prayer at this point is for the Kings to keep sucking after stupidly signing DDR and Fox refusing to resign long term and maybe trading Herro and all the youth for him.

Fox is putting up worse numbers than Herro, is older, never was able to carry a team to a single playoff series victory.
I rather keep a younger Herro than trade for another older guard who isn't a real superstar.

Is putting up worse numbers than Herro? TS% sure but outside of that he isn’t.

Fox is a true lead guard and is the entire focus of opposing teams defenses, they’re not seeing the same coverages and they’re not asked to do the same things.

I’d look at a different route myself of getting Fox and save Herro for if another top 20 or so guy becomes available to put next to Fox/Bam but if the Kings ask you for Herro a 1st and Jovic or something you do it 10 times out of 10.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam is such a frustrating player to watch. I've been screaming at my TV for ages now wanting him to use his quickness on offense and drive to the basket. But that pathetic back to the basket game and his patented turnaround fadeaway brick is what we see time and again

That one time he drove and dunked on their huge lug of a center tonight is what he should have been doing all night long. Him being undersized on offense, there is no way he is going to be a reliable back to the basket player at this level.

How I wish this he learns to have a 3 or dunk mentality!

His handle is to stiff(it looks good but he goes no where) and he lacks natural driving/scoring ability despite having god tier athletic ability he's not a guy who can get to a spot and its why I have been saying since last year he would be a garbage PF because he would lose his main advantage which is quickness/players just leaving him open because he's not going to beat you on offense. Big wings/guy like Aaron Gordon would just rest on defense if matched up with him.

Bams most efficient scoring season of his career came at the PF position next to a big body and a good playmaker

[jbsays]

No need to worry. Heat are only one player a way from being a championship team. As long as they can get Jokic or Giannis without giving up any assets they should be good to go.

[Pokuokic]

Bam is such a frustrating player to watch. I've been screaming at my TV for ages now wanting him to use his quickness on offense and drive to the basket. But that pathetic back to the basket game and his patented turnaround fadeaway brick is what we see time and again

That one time he drove and dunked on their huge lug of a center tonight is what he should have been doing all night long. Him being undersized on offense, there is no way he is going to be a reliable back to the basket player at this level.

How I wish this he learns to have a 3 or dunk mentality!

His handle is to stiff(it looks good but he goes no where) and he lacks natural driving/scoring ability despite having god tier athletic ability he's not a guy who can get to a spot and its why I have been saying since last year he would be a garbage PF because he would lose his main advantage which is quickness/players just leaving him open because he's not going to beat you on offense. Big wings/guy like Aaron Gordon would just rest on defense if matched up with him.

Bams most efficient scoring season of his career came at the PF position next to a big body and a good playmaker

As a 4th/5th option probably still on his rookie contract basically as a garbage man and no one paying any attention to him.....he's making max. They need superstar not prime Taj Gibson from him. It's hard to find quality players when your 4th option is a max player.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

His handle is to stiff(it looks good but he goes no where) and he lacks natural driving/scoring ability despite having god tier athletic ability he's not a guy who can get to a spot and its why I have been saying since last year he would be a garbage PF because he would lose his main advantage which is quickness/players just leaving him open because he's not going to beat you on offense. Big wings/guy like Aaron Gordon would just rest on defense if matched up with him.

Bams most efficient scoring season of his career came at the PF position next to a big body and a good playmaker

As a 4th/5th option probably still on his rookie contract basically as a garbage man and no one paying any attention to him.....he's making max. They need superstar not prime Taj Gibson from him. It's hard to find quality players when your 4th option is a max player.

More like 32-14-6 in a close out game of the ECF averaging 18-10-5-1-1 as our clear cut 2nd best player

[Shewasfly]

Blame Bam all you want but put him on a team with a real roster construction and he’s back to being a force. My blame goes on the front office and coaching staff for this debacle. This is one of the most poorly thought out roster and lineups i have seem in a long while. At one point Spo had all 6’6 and 6’5 guys on the floor. Just insane stuff

Yeah but a big part of the roster construction has always been to 1) take advantage of Bam's defensive switchability but also 2) make up for Bam's offense. I don't agree with it, but that can't continue to be ignored. He's built like a PF and that should be his position, but his offensive ability has always forced us to play him at C. Especially alongside Jimmy. He's also not the only one who has to play out of position based on roster construction, and yet I never consistently see that reasoning given to soften criticism for any other player on our team.

That doesn't even get into this idea of it being everyone else's fault as to why he can't score. Jimmy has to go get his buckets, Tyler has to go get his buckets, Bam touches the ball as much as either of them and can decide to go get his if he wants, but if he doesn't its on everyone else and not him.

Bam needs to step up, period.

[KingDavid]

Man, I don’t think I’ve commented in a game thread since I was in high school 10 years ago. Might start again since I deleted twitter. I’m fiending for Heat interaction. These games have me depressed.

Welcome back!

[DayofMourning]

I am very curious whats going on with this team. They are not playing with any real intention

Wade let it out of the bag in UDs podcast that it was a divided locker room or something

Divided locker room?! How? What happened?

Think it was a house divided comment. That means Riley and Butler to me.

[Wiltside]

Bam has been below par, but I'm not selling unless there's a bonafide 2-way star on the other end (e.g Giannis).

Otherwise, I'm holding and using him as the hub to build around. Herro has proven useful, but similar, I'm holding unless Ant Edwards or someone becomes available and he becomes a key piece in a deal.

Jimmy is the obvious one to sell. I love the dude, but we aren't going anywhere and he deserves to finish his career contending for a title back home in Texas. Send him to Houston and get Amen Thompson/Reed Sheppard and picks. Build from there. Jaquez may never be a star, but when he starts he often shows his worth. He could definitely be a 15/5 guy and competent 3/4 for us going forward.

Basically, I'd rather watch:

Sheppard / Smith
Herro / Larsson
Jaquez / Thompson
Jovic / Keshad
Adebayo / Ware

Then whatever we're rolling out at the moment. Sell on Terry, sell on Duncan, and unfortunately, sell on Jimmy.

[SerialChiller]

No need to worry. Heat are only one player a way from being a championship team. As long as they can get Jokic or Giannis without giving up any assets they should be good to go.

Then after that all they need is just for guys who haven't been able to stay healthy to manage to do so and their best player to pretend he isn't 2 years older then his last playoff run which while dominate faded with injury as well lol. No tall order or anything, rebuild/retool? F no!

[K N U C K L E S]

Blame Bam all you want but put him on a team with a real roster construction and he’s back to being a force. My blame goes on the front office and coaching staff for this debacle. This is one of the most poorly thought out roster and lineups i have seem in a long while. At one point Spo had all 6’6 and 6’5 guys on the floor. Just insane stuff

I prefer to chalk it up to: After 7 finals in 16 seasons, they were due for this.

[AirP.]

Blame Bam all you want but put him on a team with a real roster construction and he’s back to being a force. My blame goes on the front office and coaching staff for this debacle. This is one of the most poorly thought out roster and lineups i have seem in a long while. At one point Spo had all 6’6 and 6’5 guys on the floor. Just insane stuff

I prefer to chalk it up to: After 7 finals in 16 seasons, they were due for this.

They were given a lifeline in 2019 with Butler forcing his way to Miami (Bam and Herro were already on the roster), they didn't "go for it" in the Butler era outside just using cap space on an over his prime Lowry and adding old and cheap in assets vets, so to only have Rozier, Jovic, Jaquez Jr and Ware after using 5 1st in the last 5 years isn't good. They got a good one in Jaquez Jr for his spot, no problem taking a chance on Jovic at the end of the 1st round but the others may have missed whereas in the past they would have traded some of those picks for good players which Rozier was not, part of his package was saving a good amount of money for the owner going from Lowry's to Rozier's salary.

At least we saw a few summers where NOTHING happened other than hearing that Miami wasn't making moves in the hopes of getting X superstar for a super cheap package.

Getting to the finals was all because Butler was able to go nuclear at certain times in the playoffs (not all saying the team didn't do their jobs here and there, especially Bam and Dragic), without that Miam probably doesn't get out of the 1st round for a decade since LeBron left.