Time To Replace Pat Riley?

[K N U C K L E S]

How come nobody ever talks about replacing Riley? It's been a great 30 years. Every other team except the Spurs would kill to have the Heat's resumé over the last 30 years. 7 finals in 16 seasons. Even if he's not doing a bad job, maybe the team is stagnating under him. Or maybe he can't deal with this rediculous 3 point era that the league is in. Maybe he doesn't wanna enable it by conforming the Heat to succeed in it. There's no way a guy who's been involved in the game as long him likes the 3 point insanity.

The only problem with replacing Riley is his replacement WILL confirm the Heat to succeed in this rediculous 3 point era that I completely detest.

I wanna say that Riley won't be on the job much longer anyway since he's almost 80. But GM is just a thinking and phone call job, so he could be on the job for 15 or 20 more years as long as his mind is still all there. Not everybody turns into Biden in the 4th quarter of their life. Some people are mentally sharp as a tack in their 90's.

When the Heat replace him, they should start a GM revolution and hire someone to do the paperwork and the phone calls but have fans do the actual GMing. There's alot of keyboard GMs around here that sound like they know what they're talking about. How much worse can they be than some of the actual GMs in the league? I don't know how it worked out, but 15 or 20 years ago, a minor league baseball team actually did this. So it's not unprecedented. This is probably gonna happen anyway when gen Z or beyond are running the league. So the Heat might-as-well get ahead of the game.

Those generations are probably also gonna do worse things to the game than 3 point insanity. I don't wanna even think about what that looks like. A 4 point line maybe?

[SerialChiller]

I just put this because of the keyboard GMs part and the conform to 3s. I figured that wasn't serious haha but maybe? I hate this era too but it's the game now. Honestly though to me Riles has obviously been great. He's established a winning culture here that will forever be what we strive towards. I even generally love his we don't rebuild we retool approach and mindset, but it can't always be the case. It's effective when you have a legit centerpiece like Wade and are a destination city. But when that's gone and too many roster mistakes are made in a short time period, you are going to have to reset and can't just tweak it.

I think his downfall started with the Wade situation. You just don't let him walk and lowball him of all people like that. After that he gave Spo too much power and catered to his small ball schemes. He overpaid players that he shouldn't of, and it took Wade helping him get Butler to bring it back on track. Then he did the Lowry move to appease Butler, messed up on Herro contract and Duncan etc. We were right there but another scoring star was needed and size. He got neither and still years later continues to run it back. It's time to undo all this and move on but he is too stubborn. He needed to pick a lane and give the team a direction to move forward with. Instead he kept us all straddling the fence between "contending" without a real shot and looking to the future halfheartedly with Bam and Herro and not getting picks or rookies developing with playing time. He put us in no-mans land and so yeah I think he messed the team up and it's not going to be a quick fix now.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

3-4 years ago when he didn’t go all in on the 2022 team and then sat on his hands the 2023 season because he didn’t believe in the team and we ended up going to the finals with a team lacking talent

[DayofMourning]

Im a draft guy. I want the star(s) at an early age. Get as many high level guys together as possible and try to contend for 7 years or so that way.

It boils down to Wade for me. Without him the Heat have zero chips. What does that make Rileys legacy as the leader of the Heat look like?

[K N U C K L E S]

I just put this because of the keyboard GMs part and the conform to 3s. I figured that wasn't serious haha but maybe? I hate this era too but it's the game now. Honestly though to me Riles has obviously been great. He's established a winning culture here that will forever be what we strive towards. I even generally love his we don't rebuild we retool approach and mindset, but it can't always be the case. It's effective when you have a legit centerpiece like Wade and are a destination city. But when that's gone and too many roster mistakes are made in a short time period, you are going to have to reset and can't just tweak it.

I think his downfall started with the Wade situation. You just don't let him walk and lowball him of all people like that. After that he gave Spo too much power and catered to his small ball schemes. He overpaid players that he shouldn't of, and it took Wade helping him get Butler to bring it back on track. Then he did the Lowry move to appease Butler, messed up on Herro contract and Duncan etc. We were right there but another scoring star was needed and size. He got neither and still years later continues to run it back. It's time to undo all this and move on but he is too stubborn. He needed to pick a lane and give the team a direction to move forward with. Instead he kept us all straddling the fence between "contending" without a real shot and looking to the future halfheartedly with Bam and Herro and not getting picks or rookies developing with playing time. He put us in no-mans land and so yeah I think he messed the team up and it's not going to be a quick fix now.

I chalk up the current state of the Heat mostly to them being due for it after 7 finals in 16 seasons. But you sound like you know more than do, so maybe you're right.

[jbsays]

What's the succession plan for Arison? Does he have a kid who is interested in running the team? Will the family sell to some conglomerate?

Riley has a history of overpaying guys. Riley was ready to give Juwan Howard the first $100 million deal in NBA history. Howard made one Allstar team and one All NBA team his entire career. Brian Grant, Tyler Johnson, and more recently Kyle Lowry and Duncan.

[SerialChiller]

I just put this because of the keyboard GMs part and the conform to 3s. I figured that wasn't serious haha but maybe? I hate this era too but it's the game now. Honestly though to me Riles has obviously been great. He's established a winning culture here that will forever be what we strive towards. I even generally love his we don't rebuild we retool approach and mindset, but it can't always be the case. It's effective when you have a legit centerpiece like Wade and are a destination city. But when that's gone and too many roster mistakes are made in a short time period, you are going to have to reset and can't just tweak it.

I think his downfall started with the Wade situation. You just don't let him walk and lowball him of all people like that. After that he gave Spo too much power and catered to his small ball schemes. He overpaid players that he shouldn't of, and it took Wade helping him get Butler to bring it back on track. Then he did the Lowry move to appease Butler, messed up on Herro contract and Duncan etc. We were right there but another scoring star was needed and size. He got neither and still years later continues to run it back. It's time to undo all this and move on but he is too stubborn. He needed to pick a lane and give the team a direction to move forward with. Instead he kept us all straddling the fence between "contending" without a real shot and looking to the future halfheartedly with Bam and Herro and not getting picks or rookies developing with playing time. He put us in no-mans land and so yeah I think he messed the team up and it's not going to be a quick fix now.

I chalk up the current state of the Heat mostly to them being due for it after 7 finals in 16 seasons. But you sound like you know more than do, so maybe you're right.

It's not wrong to think a highly successful franchise is due for a dry spell. That's just reality nobody can win all the time so your not wrong there imo. But that's just a very general overview type way to look at it that is based on pure odds and doesn't really get into the why and how of things. I don't know all that much really, just find it obvious that we have been and are a team that is trying to bridge 2 timelines without choosing one. Go all in and win with Butler before it's too late? We didn't and now imo it is. Move him and look to Bam and Herro with JJJ Ware etc plus picks and play the youth to grow together. We haven't done that either. Just a lack of direction trying to contend without the talent and hurting our ability to get better later because Butler is here now. I'd of loved for them to add a playable big and some scoring talent to put us over the top with him, but we didn't he's older now window closed. So why is he still here and why are guys like Ware riding the pine as we head towards another playin season...just my 2 cents.

[Sign5]

No Wade = no Shaq, no Bosh and James, no Jimmy. Riles is a decent GM but this is Wade's house in many ways than just his play.

[Heat3]

Yeah. Time to replace him. I hate having a good franchise to root for. I want the Heat to suck like the marlins. Let’s go back to early 90s Heat. Make me feel young again /s.

[Kobewade11]

No Wade = no Shaq, no Bosh and James, no Jimmy. Riles is a decent GM but this is Wade's house in many ways than just his play.

It's certainly possible that if we never draft Wade, Shaq is never acquired, Bosh, Jimmy and co. never come down, but its also a simplistic view. In an alternate timeline where Riley never decides to come here in 1995, do we even know what becomes of this franchise? I know it's not the fashionable thing to give him credit these days, but he made this franchise relevant nationally. We went from a joke team with a .357 winning % to a contender - in the 90's. So take him away, there's no Zo, no Spo, no winning culture instilled, who knows what happens in those 8 years leading up to the 03 draft, perhaps Wade doesn't even exist here. We have to give both guys their due, Wade didn't pitch JImmy on the beaches.

[ZoStrong]

Im a draft guy. I want the star(s) at an early age. Get as many high level guys together as possible and try to contend for 7 years or so that way.

It boils down to Wade for me. Without him the Heat have zero chips. What does that make Rileys legacy as the leader of the Heat look like?

I do love what ifs, so I'll bite.
If Wade was drafted by Denver, Tronto, Clippers, does HE have much success? LeBron got drafted by Cleveland and toiled away for 7 seasons. So did CB in Toronto, Melo in Denver then NY.
This is a team sport. Not tennis or boxing where one individual can dictate most of the success (still gotta get the right trainers, coaches, etc)

What about Riley w Bosh or Melo?
Ofc we don't know. But knowing Riley, he would have ceaselessly tried to put together a great contender. We get a championship? idk, but we would still be one of the teams to contend with year in year out. Judging by his history before Wade, here and New York. I'm always team over a player. A player needs a right situation to shine.

[ZoStrong]

Such a quick reactionary to change the architect because the kitchen style got a little stale. It's like we are Clippers or Charlotte or Detroit or bunch of bottom dwellers, lol.
Change isn't always good. It goes sideways or backwards plenty of times. Name some current executives that you would absolutely have over Riley.
Yup his time is coming. Not a lot of time left. It will be a year over year basis at this point.
I'll just wait n see who will be next. No desire to name anyone. I really am not impressed by anyone really

[AirP.]

Im a draft guy. I want the star(s) at an early age. Get as many high level guys together as possible and try to contend for 7 years or so that way.

It boils down to Wade for me. Without him the Heat have zero chips. What does that make Rileys legacy as the leader of the Heat look like?

I do love what ifs, so I'll bite.
If Wade was drafted by Denver, Tronto, Clippers, does HE have much success? LeBron got drafted by Cleveland and toiled away for 7 seasons. So did CB in Toronto, Melo in Denver then NY.
This is a team sport. Not tennis or boxing where one individual can dictate most of the success (still gotta get the right trainers, coaches, etc)

What about Riley w Bosh or Melo?
Ofc we don't know. But knowing Riley, he would have ceaselessly tried to put together a great contender. We get a championship? idk, but we would still be one of the teams to contend with year in year out. Judging by his history before Wade, here and New York. I'm always team over a player. A player needs a right situation to shine.

In an alternate universe Chicago does the trade they almost did anyways and moves Marshall and #7 for Toronto's #4 pick and takes Wade who is also a hometown kid. Wade probably gives Chicago stability for the organization because he was so talented and worked to make himself better or Chicago wastes him changing coaches every other year.

How could I forget, Sweetney went 9th to the Knicks in that draft, New York deserved to bad for a long time, so did Chicago...

[One_and_Done]

I mean, I don't think Riley is the best GM or anything. The real question is could you really find anyone better to replace him. I kind of doubt it.