#55: Heat @ Bucks - Feb 23rd at 6 pm ET - The Winning Streak Continues Here
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Re: #55: Heat @ Bucks - Feb 23rd at 6 pm ET - The Winning Streak Continues Here
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I mean, we are the fan base that started the firespo website. I don't see the current criticism as anything out of the ordinary or unwarranted. Not saying it's all on him as I'm sure there is a FO mandate to play certain players whatever the results. There is no other reason to explain the continued minutes that Rozier gets. None.
That said, I do not want anyone else coaching this team other than Spo. Dude is a lifer if ever there was one.
That said, I do not want anyone else coaching this team other than Spo. Dude is a lifer if ever there was one.
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Spo is the best coach in the world, he’s having a rough season. Both statements can be true.
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3ballbomber wrote:Shewasfly wrote:Its really odd seeing the desperation to blame Spo for everything after every loss. Yall don't even feel any shame about saying that this was on Spo because he should have played Tyler to start the 4th, when Tyler had played the whole 3rd? And ended up for 40 min? On the front of a back to back? lol
Yall truly better hope that we don't lose Spo because it's then that you will REALLY see the difference in terms of what great coaching looks like. Especially if we continue to have deplorable work come from the FO as far as roster construction.
Been saying this even before the big-3. Let’s you know just how long fans have been complaining about him. Nvr happy unless winning. Then we win games either say nothing about Spo or complain about something he didn’t do.
We made some fantastic adjustments today to compete at a high level against Bucks. Herro playing all 3Q’s was just one of them. We can’t keep firing the coach each time we’re not happy. We become like every other club & w/ the way people think in here i believe they want Miami to be a mediocre organization every season.
Most of the complaints don't even make sense and switch based on the moment. Same people who were raking Spo across the coals for so long for not playing Ware earlier on and giving him a little bit more time to develop before throwing him out there, are now angry at Spo for playing him too much and not benching him because he's been bad recently


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insfo wrote:I mean, we are the fan base that started the firespo website. I don't see the current criticism as anything out of the ordinary or unwarranted. Not saying it's all on him as I'm sure there is a FO mandate to play certain players whatever the results. There is no other reason to explain the continued minutes that Rozier gets. None.
That said, I do not want anyone else coaching this team other than Spo. Dude is a lifer if ever there was one.
Spo isn't at all above criticism and I've criticized him plenty this season. From "the timeout" to other horrible decisions, to him never using challenges, and to some of his rotations especially around Rozier's minutes. But there's a difference between that and what you and some other people are saying--level headed critique--and people obviously grasping for straws to keep this agenda going every single game with their focus on blaming coaching.

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eddieheatfan wrote:now waiting for tobin's video since this was a much welcomed early game. will he drink himself to stupor tonight i cant wait to find out lol
He's just larping as an alky on those vids, right? Wouldn't think he'd be able to do a podcast if that was actually alcohol lol.
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oreon wrote:SerialChiller wrote:Spo's received much more than his share of credit for the team's success over the years than he's deserved. He's been making plenty of horrible decisions the entire time, this is nothing new. Nobody's perfect but he shows a complete lack of ability to adjust in game, a stubbornness that leads to him finally making the right move but way too late (think Chalmers over Bibby for what the last game of the playoffs finally in '11 among many, many possible examples), the small ball nonsense, the head scratching rotations, and the offensive ineptitude. But we're "desperate" for calling out his BS...haha ok there, bout time he finally gets some blame.
Results are all that matter. 3 ECF and 2 finals with that roster earned him the title of the best coach in the league. When it comes to players and coaches I'll take results over opinions. We can all have different opinion on what works or what doesn't. But in the end its all about winning and winning in the playoffs. No coach has won more with less talent in the playoffs than Spo has in the past couple seasons.
Now this season is different. He's having a down year. But he's not even close to be being the main reason we suck. This team isn't good. No coach, scheme is gonna make this team above average. They are just not talented.
When our team was struggling prior to the big-3 i often said judge Spo when we have a legit contending team. We haven’t had a legit contending team since the Big-3, yet here we are 3ECF’s & 2GF’s.
Spo is our system. Spo is Miami Heat. He calls the shots. You take the good w/ the bad. He does more good than bad imo. What other coach cld do more w/ what we’ve had to work with consistently. Not too many defensive minded coaches out there also.
Fair enough if we haven’t gone anywhere the past decade, we consistently don’t make PO’s, our players are complaining etc but fact is non of that has happened. Our players have always respected & supported Spo. We’ve been more successful than 90% of other teams in spite of fans complaints. It’s the fans, who aren’t a part of the team, don’t see the daily work, guidance, decisions etc that our coaches make that wine & complain. The people directly involved w/ Spo do not!
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I'm mostly talking about the general board but somewhat here too. Try and fairly criticize Spo on there and people who watch like 1 Heat game a year start losing their minds! Just last year when we hit a franchise record for 3s to steal a game in Boston people on there where saying "oh Spo's so good it's unfair and by far and away the best! Miami might even steal this series because of him! Boston better watch out!" This when he literally did nothing special we just got hot in a make or miss 3pt shooting competition league for a game and everyone wanted to credit him with that.
Then we proceeded to get smoked the rest of the games as anyone with a clue knew was coming. I'm not saying it's his fault we lost a series we had no chance in, but he didn't cause us to win that 1 game, an insane shooting night did. He needs to get his share of blame along with the credit to be objective.
As for Rozier I doubt that there's a mandate, I mean there could be. But Riley always wants to win not tank so I just find it hard to believe that his money matters that much. Duncan and his money was benched. I do understand that we are really thin at PG and so that's probably why he plays, but I mean Spo used to be all about positionless we don't need a PG. Now it's better play Rozier haha IDK it's just wild. Lots of people don't think Riley should be criticized either, but he's been pretty bad for awhile now and it's hurt us.
He bungled the Butler situation, let Wade walk, traded for Rozier, the Lowry deal, Duncan, tried to straddle the fence with Butler's timeline and the young guys etc. And if he is mandating Rozier (I guess Arison could be dictating it but he's usually been pretty hands off so IDK about that either) that's even worse for him. Spo was a bit better tonight at least, last game Mitchell only played I believe 28 minutes in regulation to 16 for Rozier, in a game Mitch had it going offensively I might add. But tonight it was 34 for Mitch and 10 minutes for Rozier so that's better.
Spo has an extremely long leash and has the job security and the type of free rein that probably only Pop and maybe Kerr enjoy in the whole league. And signed a record contract...that has to come with blame when warranted is all I'm saying. A coach that is supposed to be this good should have his team ready to play coming out of the half at least sometimes. And maybe even manage to get a blowout win against a bad team every once in awhile. Like that previous Bucks loss and the recent Dallas loss were just completely unacceptable...it gets hard to ignore.
Then we proceeded to get smoked the rest of the games as anyone with a clue knew was coming. I'm not saying it's his fault we lost a series we had no chance in, but he didn't cause us to win that 1 game, an insane shooting night did. He needs to get his share of blame along with the credit to be objective.
As for Rozier I doubt that there's a mandate, I mean there could be. But Riley always wants to win not tank so I just find it hard to believe that his money matters that much. Duncan and his money was benched. I do understand that we are really thin at PG and so that's probably why he plays, but I mean Spo used to be all about positionless we don't need a PG. Now it's better play Rozier haha IDK it's just wild. Lots of people don't think Riley should be criticized either, but he's been pretty bad for awhile now and it's hurt us.
He bungled the Butler situation, let Wade walk, traded for Rozier, the Lowry deal, Duncan, tried to straddle the fence with Butler's timeline and the young guys etc. And if he is mandating Rozier (I guess Arison could be dictating it but he's usually been pretty hands off so IDK about that either) that's even worse for him. Spo was a bit better tonight at least, last game Mitchell only played I believe 28 minutes in regulation to 16 for Rozier, in a game Mitch had it going offensively I might add. But tonight it was 34 for Mitch and 10 minutes for Rozier so that's better.
Spo has an extremely long leash and has the job security and the type of free rein that probably only Pop and maybe Kerr enjoy in the whole league. And signed a record contract...that has to come with blame when warranted is all I'm saying. A coach that is supposed to be this good should have his team ready to play coming out of the half at least sometimes. And maybe even manage to get a blowout win against a bad team every once in awhile. Like that previous Bucks loss and the recent Dallas loss were just completely unacceptable...it gets hard to ignore.
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Was looking at the 4th quarter just now and noticed that for a 10 minute stretch (11:15 down to 1:15) Herro was the only Heat player who scored other than a lone Bam bucket.
Wow.
Wow.
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these scoring droughts are a killerDayofMourning wrote:Was looking at the 4th quarter just now and noticed that for a 10 minute stretch (11:15 down to 1:15) Herro was the only Heat player who scored other than a lone Bam bucket.
Wow.

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DayofMourning wrote:Was looking at the 4th quarter just now and noticed that for a 10 minute stretch (11:15 down to 1:15) Herro was the only Heat player who scored other than a lone Bam bucket.
Wow.
Can't run decent plays. Riles should hire an offensive coordinator, even the less talented Wizards don't have these type of scoring droughts.
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I think Miami has a very good team.
They just played with the best teams of NBA in the last games against Celtics,Thunder, Bucks.
Adebayo and Herro are very very good players and Ware a high ceiling big.
The defense is super solid.
Wiggins plays very well but his shoots do not go in.
I think this is part of the reason Miami lost these difficult games.
I think it is not possible for him to continue to shoot this bad. He shooted 38% 3pt this year and he dropped to 20% with Miami.
They just played with the best teams of NBA in the last games against Celtics,Thunder, Bucks.
Adebayo and Herro are very very good players and Ware a high ceiling big.
The defense is super solid.
Wiggins plays very well but his shoots do not go in.
I think this is part of the reason Miami lost these difficult games.
I think it is not possible for him to continue to shoot this bad. He shooted 38% 3pt this year and he dropped to 20% with Miami.
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Letting you guys know Jimmy butler is 5-1 since joining the Warriors.
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NightWatch wrote:Letting you guys know Jimmy butler is 5-1 since joining the Warriors.
Making it his duty to give us the crappiest pick possible
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DayofMourning wrote:Was looking at the 4th quarter just now and noticed that for a 10 minute stretch (11:15 down to 1:15) Herro was the only Heat player who scored other than a lone Bam bucket.
Wow.
Need some more offense, badly
Ware looked like a certified bucket a month ago, hopefully that’s the type of player he could be in future years
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patience is the key, as of know he is putting impressive numbers for a rook. we need to wait, good things sometimes comes for those who do itBishop45 wrote:DayofMourning wrote:Was looking at the 4th quarter just now and noticed that for a 10 minute stretch (11:15 down to 1:15) Herro was the only Heat player who scored other than a lone Bam bucket.
Wow.
Need some more offense, badly
Ware looked like a certified bucket a month ago, hopefully that’s the type of player he could be in future years
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I started to get worried when I noticed we played our main lineup most of the 3rd. When the 4th came and guys needed rest we could maintain. That's poor game management. Also guys got real timid to shoot which happens often with the Heat. Can't clam up and play hero ball all 4th quarter. Other that that it was an exciting game. Can't ask for more from bam tyler and Wiggins than that.
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To be fair giannis was on a minutes restriction 20 mins? Doc blew right by that, that's how bad he didn't want to lose to the Heat. They wanted it more and played like it. Spo needs to find better ways to get guys rest here and there instead of huge chunks on the bench.
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NightWatch wrote:Letting you guys know Jimmy butler is 5-1 since joining the Warriors.
They’ve played a bunch of bums for the most part
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