#63: Heat vs Bulls - Mar 8th at 8 pm ET

[eddieheatfan]

I'm happy to report that I slept right through this ****.

i went to sleep in to the 4th quarter somehow thinking that they could mess this up and they did. havent seen the spo reaction yet and i dont think i have the stomach to watch it right now

[DayofMourning]

I'm happy to report that I slept right through this ****.

i went to sleep in to the 4th quarter somehow thinking that they could mess this up and they did. havent seen the spo reaction yet and i dont think i have the stomach to watch it right now

Spo basically said he didnt know what was wrong or why its happening.

[contract]

I'm happy to report that I slept right through this ****.

i went to sleep in to the 4th quarter somehow thinking that they could mess this up and they did. havent seen the spo reaction yet and i dont think i have the stomach to watch it right now

Spo basically said he didnt know what was wrong or why its happening.

I've never coached on any level, but when you score 20 points in the 4th quarter and the other team scores 36, the problem is probably a combination of scoring too little while allowing the opposing team to score too much.

I hope my insight helps.

[Flash4thewin]

I'm happy to report that I slept right through this ****.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Fair enough, I brought up Bam—but for a reason. You were making Herro’s struggles sound uniquely unacceptable while giving Bam the “he still does other things” treatment when he has a bad night. That’s why I pointed it out. If you're going to say Herro deserves extra criticism because he’s paid to score, then why does Bam—who’s paid even more—get a pass when he’s inefficient offensively and not rebounding?

And I already debunked your take: Herro isn’t hijacking the offense—he’s taking the same shots he always has, just without a better option on the floor. If he were passing up open looks or deferring to a worse shooter, you’d call him passive. He’s in a no-win situation with you (*unless he has a Steph Curry night in a win).

So if you really just wanted to give “insight” on Herro, then keep it real—you aren’t just analyzing, you’re pushing a narrative. And when people call it out, you act like they’re the ones making it a bigger deal. I brought up Bam to highlight the double standard, and you still haven’t addressed that.

This was my take on Herro, not that he needs to be Steph every night because he could never and will never be that:

“He was riding the hottest shooting stretch of his life to start the year but he is who he’s always been. A guy who can get hot and have big games (that have never really led to wins) who plays little to no defense most of the time. Nights like tonight when he can’t buy a bucket he’s a major detriment. We play zone to hide him and he can’t even properly play a zone defense which led to the Giddey 3.“

So now you’re back to “this was just my take on Herro”—cool. But your entire argument is framing his hot stretch as a fluke rather than a sign of progress, while acting like his bad games define him. That’s the problem.

And the “his big games have never really led to wins” part? That’s just false. He’s had plenty of high-scoring performances in wins, but you only highlight the losses because it fits your angle. Meanwhile, when Bam struggles offensively, we just ignore it because of the other things he does? Again, selective energy.

Also, if hiding a bad defender in a zone disqualifies them, then explain why Miami has done the same for Duncan. Herro’s defense is a problem, no doubt, but pretending like it’s uniquely unworkable when the team has built entire schemes around covering for limited defenders before? That’s just dishonest.

At the end of the day, you aren’t just analyzing—you’re picking and choosing what matters depending on the player. And that’s why people push back.

Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better about Herro falling back to basically the same player he’s always been the last 35 games or so with the only difference being higher usage and shot attempts you go for it man! Has he improved in certain areas? Sure (seems better at drawing fouls and seems to be a slightly better passer), but overall he’s reverted back to his ways and he’s costing us games in crunch time with horrible decision making which warrants criticism. This is not a 1 game knee jerk reaction that you’re trying to make it out to be

[HeatFan_NC]

i went to sleep in to the 4th quarter somehow thinking that they could mess this up and they did. havent seen the spo reaction yet and i dont think i have the stomach to watch it right now

Spo basically said he didnt know what was wrong or why its happening.

I've never coached on any level, but when you score 20 points in the 4th quarter and the other team scores 36, the problem is probably a combination of scoring too little while allowing the opposing team to score too much.

I hope my insight helps.

I haven't seen the trademark Miami Heat defense this season. Seems like we've taken a step back in that department

[Heat3]

It was there against the Timberwolves. MN is just a better team. Too many pieces moving in and out of the lineup has affected consistency on both sides of the ball. Especially when those pieces lack enough talent.

We’ve seen them play really good for most of a game then run but of gas. They need that one good piece to out them over the top. That should have been Jimmy, but even in good times he wasn’t fully engaged during the dog days of the season.

We’ll see what happens this summer.

[KingDavid]

Ware did not play a minute in the 4th quarter. Rozier played every damn minute. Spo has problems. No way the front office thinks this is right.

[al bondiga]

Ware did not play a minute in the 4th quarter. Rozier played every damn minute. Spo has problems. No way the front office thinks this is right.

the FO is in a lose-lose situation with spo I think... On one side they know he fcks up Young talents too often... On the other he has a great reputation for being a hell of a coach... So if they fire him everybody will question them

The emergence of ware has saved him for next season. But I don't think it will in the one after that.

Yes, I think the coach matters a lot.
In a basketball game.
But not in the whole season. we have a player's domain there.
Most of the time players are, by far, the Only masters of their destiny.

jeje... but at the same time lots of things can f that up...

[NightWatch]

The problem was defense. Only bam can play actual defense. The rest of the team plays disappointing defense. If Heat shoots are not falling, they should be able to defense instead everybody just turned into a traffic cone. It is not surprising that this happened.

[oreon]

Ware did not play a minute in the 4th quarter. Rozier played every damn minute. Spo has problems. No way the front office thinks this is right.

the FO is in a lose-lose situation with spo I think... On one side they know he fcks up Young talents too often... On the other he has a great reputation for being a hell of a coach... So if they fire him everybody will question them

The emergence of ware has saved him for next season. But I don't think it will in the one after that.

Yes, I think the coach matters a lot.
In a basketball game.
But not in the whole season. we have a player's domain there.
Most of the time players are, by far, the Only masters of their destiny.

jeje... but at the same time lots of things can f that up...

What ??? Heat fan c'mon
Am I living in an alternate reality from everyone else ?
Which young talents did eff up ?

Bam, Herro - outperformed from where they were drafted
Ware - Its year 1 and he's been a revelation. Very few expected him to show what he's shown
Jamie - great year 1, hit the rookie wall in year 2. Who knows how he will turn out
Jovic - Began to turn the corner but got hurt
Precious - Not on Spo it was a dumb pick. He's been an ok rotational player elsewhere
J Rich - Good career from where he got drafted
Winslow - Undersized, couldn't shoot and couldnt finish at the rim. No coach could have saved him

Were picking from the teens and not top from the top 5 of the draft. We've gotten a lot more from our young players than 90 % of the league. If you are expecting more then tank to get top tier young talent.

[Heat3]

the FO is in a lose-lose situation with spo I think... On one side they know he fcks up Young talents too often... On the other he has a great reputation for being a hell of a coach... So if they fire him everybody will question them

The emergence of ware has saved him for next season. But I don't think it will in the one after that.

Yes, I think the coach matters a lot.
In a basketball game.
But not in the whole season. we have a player's domain there.
Most of the time players are, by far, the Only masters of their destiny.

jeje... but at the same time lots of things can f that up...

What ??? Heat fan c'mon
Am I living in an alternate reality from everyone else ?
Which young talents did eff up ?

Bam, Herro - outperformed from where they were drafted
Ware - Its year 1 and he's been a revelation. Very few expected him to show what he's shown
Jamie - great year 1, hit the rookie wall in year 2. Who knows how he will turn out
Jovic - Began to turn the corner but got hurt
Precious - Not on Spo it was a dumb pick. He's been an ok rotational player elsewhere
J Rich - Good career from where he got drafted
Winslow - Undersized, couldn't shoot and couldnt finish at the rim. No coach could have saved him

Were picking from the teens and not top from the top 5 of the draft. We've gotten a lot more from our young players than 90 % of the league. If you are expecting more then tank to get top tier young talent.

I just looked up Winslow. Last two seasons in g league.

[HeatFan_NC]

It isn't. Bam isn't All nba or mvp level. If you can get a Gobert type deal for him you do it. But it has to be for a haul

100%

2-way players are easy to find, almost every team has it. Superstars? not that much.

Good 2 way players aren't easy to find. Guys who can be a top 2 offensive and defensive players on team are unicorns. Bam is one of the best at C and wiggins is at the wing spot. Ware has that potential.

Boston loaded up on those archetypes when everyone else was blinded by ppg.

Bam isn't bad. He's just overpaid for what he brings to the table.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

100%

2-way players are easy to find, almost every team has it. Superstars? not that much.

Good 2 way players aren't easy to find. Guys who can be a top 2 offensive and defensive players on team are unicorns. Bam is one of the best at C and wiggins is at the wing spot. Ware has that potential.

Boston loaded up on those archetypes when everyone else was blinded by ppg.

Bam isn't bad. He's just overpaid for what he brings to the table.

Overpaid at $30-$35M a year? That’s wild