Miami vs Detroit 3/19 @530 PM CRT (is that 730?)

[Moneyball_Spo]

Was it a layup drill when he played with PJ Tucker and we were the number 1 team in the East? It’s a layup drill cause the surrounding defenders around him are just pathetic. Including Ware who’s just tall. Can’t guard the perimeter at all.

Defense was not the reason we have been losing. We fail to score. The shooters can't hit the broad side of a barn.

This team needs real PF’s who can score and shoot along with PG’s who are playmakers and can hit 3’s and score. Also the one trick pony era of Duncan should come to an end. We need to be bringing in someone comparable to Herro off the bench as his backup who can also play defense. The Herro and Duncan combo has run it’s course.

You don't think Bam is a PF?

[Shewasfly]

Was it a layup drill when he played with PJ Tucker and we were the number 1 team in the East? It’s a layup drill cause the surrounding defenders around him are just pathetic. Including Ware who’s just tall. Can’t guard the perimeter at all.

Defense was not the reason we have been losing. We fail to score. The shooters can't hit the broad side of a barn.

This team needs real PF’s who can score and shoot along with PG’s who are playmakers and can hit 3’s and score. Also the one trick pony era of Duncan should come to an end. We need to be bringing in someone comparable to Herro off the bench as his backup who can also play defense. The Herro and Duncan combo has run it’s course.

No, we need a real C. Every other minute before, it was Spo is the reason we're losing cause he's obsessed with playing small. Now it's let's not have anyone over 6'9 to keep playing Bam at C where he doesn't belong. Y'all not tired?

[DayofMourning]

Isnt the pick goes to OKC??

Top 14 protected.

Lets tank then

Thats what Im saying breh. Who wants to win when you have a 26% chance of jumping in to the top 4 and securing a foundational piece. Jimmy never cared about the RS, why should we?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Defense was not the reason we have been losing. We fail to score. The shooters can't hit the broad side of a barn.

This team needs real PF’s who can score and shoot along with PG’s who are playmakers and can hit 3’s and score. Also the one trick pony era of Duncan should come to an end. We need to be bringing in someone comparable to Herro off the bench as his backup who can also play defense. The Herro and Duncan combo has run it’s course.

You don't think Bam is a PF?

No he’s not a PF unless he’s paired with a pure stretch Center. The best variation of these Heat teams with Bam have been him paired with burly PF’s who spam 3 pointers like Tucker and Crowder but could also get down and dirty defensively. We have to find a way to get these types of players in here again.

[Moneyball_Spo]

This team needs real PF’s who can score and shoot along with PG’s who are playmakers and can hit 3’s and score. Also the one trick pony era of Duncan should come to an end. We need to be bringing in someone comparable to Herro off the bench as his backup who can also play defense. The Herro and Duncan combo has run it’s course.

You don't think Bam is a PF?

No he’s not a PF unless he’s paired with a pure stretch Center. The best variation of these Heat teams with Bam have been him paired with burly PF’s who spam 3 pointers like Tucker and Crowder but could also get down and dirty defensively. We have to find a way to get these types of players in here again.

I was soo pissed when they let Crowder walk. He was dog just like jimmy.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Defense was not the reason we have been losing. We fail to score. The shooters can't hit the broad side of a barn.

This team needs real PF’s who can score and shoot along with PG’s who are playmakers and can hit 3’s and score. Also the one trick pony era of Duncan should come to an end. We need to be bringing in someone comparable to Herro off the bench as his backup who can also play defense. The Herro and Duncan combo has run it’s course.

No, we need a real C. Every other minute before, it was Spo is the reason we're losing cause he's obsessed with playing small. Now it's let's not have anyone over 6'9 to keep playing Bam at C where he doesn't belong. Y'all not tired?

We were in the Finals with both Crowder and Tucker with Bam. The best Center to play with Bam was Kelly Olynyk but when we traded for Crowder that team took off to another level. Bam is a special hybrid Center. What’s a real Center next to Bam? Another oaf who can’t shoot or rotate on defense?

[MettaWorldPanda]

You don't think Bam is a PF?

No he’s not a PF unless he’s paired with a pure stretch Center. The best variation of these Heat teams with Bam have been him paired with burly PF’s who spam 3 pointers like Tucker and Crowder but could also get down and dirty defensively. We have to find a way to get these types of players in here again.

I was soo pissed when they let Crowder walk. He was dog just like jimmy.

Crowder did so many great things next to Bam that year. He was a stout 6’6 240 and was nailing open 3’s with his eyes closed that year. He was a demon defensively rotating and would set crushing screens. PJ Tucker at 6’5 250 also brought that same dynamic and was playing his role at an MVP level next to Bam. The FO tried to replicate it with the ultimate Jag Haywood Highsmith but at 6’5 220 he’s just too small. Gives up 20 to 30 pounds compared to the other two. That’s a lot

[3ammy3uck3ts]

No he’s not a PF unless he’s paired with a pure stretch Center. The best variation of these Heat teams with Bam have been him paired with burly PF’s who spam 3 pointers like Tucker and Crowder but could also get down and dirty defensively. We have to find a way to get these types of players in here again.

I was soo pissed when they let Crowder walk. He was dog just like jimmy.

Crowder did so many great things next to Bam that year. He was a stout 6’6 240 and was nailing open 3’s with his eyes closed that year. He was a demon defensively rotating and would set crushing screens. PJ Tucker at 6’5 250 also brought that same dynamic and was playing his role at an MVP level next to Bam. The FO tried to replicate it with the ultimate Jag Haywood Highsmith but at 6’5 220 he’s just too small. Gives up 20 to 30 pounds compared to the other two. That’s a lot

He’s soft but I’d love to see Myles Turner next to Bam. Naz too

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I think you guys put too much weight on positions. It’s not about point guard, or power forward, or center, it’s a lack of talent period. We need more talented players, doesn’t matter the position.

[Shewasfly]

This team needs real PF’s who can score and shoot along with PG’s who are playmakers and can hit 3’s and score. Also the one trick pony era of Duncan should come to an end. We need to be bringing in someone comparable to Herro off the bench as his backup who can also play defense. The Herro and Duncan combo has run it’s course.

No, we need a real C. Every other minute before, it was Spo is the reason we're losing cause he's obsessed with playing small. Now it's let's not have anyone over 6'9 to keep playing Bam at C where he doesn't belong. Y'all not tired?

We were in the Finals with both Crowder and Tucker with Bam. The best Center to play with Bam was Kelly Olynyk but when we traded for Crowder that team took off to another level. Bam is a special hybrid Center. What’s a real Center next to Bam? Another oaf who can’t shoot or rotate on defense?

Well I disagreed with your first post, but in this one you're not saying anything different than I've said before tbh. I was the main one saying I'd miss KO and wish we hadn't traded him. I didn't understand them not paying Crowder either. But KO is a C and 6'11. Crowder is a SF and not a PF, we just played him out of position too. And as I recall, despite the fact that we were mostly winning with him, when we did lose, you wouldn't hear the end of the whining about playing small on here.

Saying Bam needs a special, specific type of player next to him in the front court to be effective doesn't do what I think you think it's doing. But funny enough, Bam has looked his best individually this season since Ware was inserted into the lineup. Unfortunately for Ware/us, he's just a rookie and doesn't have the mass or bbiq yet to be the solution full time without a ton of growing pains coming with it.

But the answer is not to move Bam back to C.

[TroubleS0me]

yea this is definitely 07-08 heat vibes, losing alot of close games.

[3ballbomber]

The shenanigans end tonight

Doubt it. I bought pts down Detroit -2.5
We may well win but banking on another “collapse” in the 2H

Covered by .5

Thank you, Cade


Keep the tank alive Miami!

[batterybro42]

No he’s not a PF unless he’s paired with a pure stretch Center. The best variation of these Heat teams with Bam have been him paired with burly PF’s who spam 3 pointers like Tucker and Crowder but could also get down and dirty defensively. We have to find a way to get these types of players in here again.

I was soo pissed when they let Crowder walk. He was dog just like jimmy.

Crowder did so many great things next to Bam that year. He was a stout 6’6 240 and was nailing open 3’s with his eyes closed that year. He was a demon defensively rotating and would set crushing screens. PJ Tucker at 6’5 250 also brought that same dynamic and was playing his role at an MVP level next to Bam. The FO tried to replicate it with the ultimate Jag Haywood Highsmith but at 6’5 220 he’s just too small. Gives up 20 to 30 pounds compared to the other two. That’s a lot

I was hoping we could have seen Keshad Johnson in that role

[Daffy]

I think you guys put too much weight on positions. It’s not about point guard, or power forward, or center, it’s a lack of talent period. We need more talented players, doesn’t matter the position.

Bingo

[VaDe255]

Beautiful loss wih Blazers/Spurs also winning!
Heat can't even win games when Herro/Bam both score 25+ efficient points, this is hilarious; just call it already and let these guys get some rest, this season is done

[MettaWorldPanda]

No, we need a real C. Every other minute before, it was Spo is the reason we're losing cause he's obsessed with playing small. Now it's let's not have anyone over 6'9 to keep playing Bam at C where he doesn't belong. Y'all not tired?

We were in the Finals with both Crowder and Tucker with Bam. The best Center to play with Bam was Kelly Olynyk but when we traded for Crowder that team took off to another level. Bam is a special hybrid Center. What’s a real Center next to Bam? Another oaf who can’t shoot or rotate on defense?

Well I disagreed with your first post, but in this one you're not saying anything different than I've said before tbh. I was the main one saying I'd miss KO and wish we hadn't traded him. I didn't understand them not paying Crowder either. But KO is a C and 6'11. Crowder is a SF and not a PF, we just played him out of position too. And as I recall, despite the fact that we were mostly winning with him, when we did lose, you wouldn't hear the end of the whining about playing small on here.

Saying Bam needs a special, specific type of player next to him in the front court to be effective doesn't do what I think you think it's doing. But funny enough, Bam has looked his best individually this season since Ware was inserted into the lineup. Unfortunately for Ware/us, he's just a rookie and doesn't have the mass or bbiq yet to be the solution full time without a ton of growing pains coming with it.

But the answer is not to move Bam back to C.

Keep putting non shooting Centers next to Bam who can’t rotate on defense and you’ll continue to watch the losses mount. Maybe if you find a Stretch unicorn to put next to him like a Wemby, Zingis, or Chet it will work but we’ve seen nothing but losing since Bam made the move to the 4 without a stretch 4/5 next to him.

[DBurks2818]

Looks like it's just not meant to be, this season. Cade's banked in 3 very much reminded me of Kobe's GW in 09-10, the tail end of a similarly frustrating time. I watched that one live too

Looking forward to draft night being armed with the two picks and expiring Rozier/Duncan/Highsmith contracts to bring in talent around Bam and Tyler.

[Shewasfly]

We were in the Finals with both Crowder and Tucker with Bam. The best Center to play with Bam was Kelly Olynyk but when we traded for Crowder that team took off to another level. Bam is a special hybrid Center. What’s a real Center next to Bam? Another oaf who can’t shoot or rotate on defense?

Well I disagreed with your first post, but in this one you're not saying anything different than I've said before tbh. I was the main one saying I'd miss KO and wish we hadn't traded him. I didn't understand them not paying Crowder either. But KO is a C and 6'11. Crowder is a SF and not a PF, we just played him out of position too. And as I recall, despite the fact that we were mostly winning with him, when we did lose, you wouldn't hear the end of the whining about playing small on here.

Saying Bam needs a special, specific type of player next to him in the front court to be effective doesn't do what I think you think it's doing. But funny enough, Bam has looked his best individually this season since Ware was inserted into the lineup. Unfortunately for Ware/us, he's just a rookie and doesn't have the mass or bbiq yet to be the solution full time without a ton of growing pains coming with it.

But the answer is not to move Bam back to C.

Keep putting non shooting Centers next to Bam who can’t rotate on defense and you’ll continue to watch the losses mount. Maybe if you find a Stretch unicorn to put next to him like a Wemby, Zingis, or Chet it will work but we’ve seen nothing but losing since Bam made the move to the 4 without a stretch 4/5 next to him.

You're saying it but not getting it lol. To need to have a unicorn to play next to Bam or risk being very undersized is a HUGE LIMITATION. Its not something to just gloss over. Having to cover for Bam offensively with imbalanced lineups size wise is a real thing that needs to be solved.

Your solution is seemingly to accept going small. Or at least you say it is right now it is, but idk. We're already giving up game winning rebounds every game these days. Imagine what it'd look like playing no one over 6'6 but Bam again.

I would rather not. Start the process to make Ware into our very own Myles Turner. Start him and develop him by fire. The season is over anyway. And like I said, its actually helping Bam. What its hurting is the offense as a whole.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Why are Heat fans so fuxking brain dead

[Flash4thewin]

This game was the most fun in a long time, it was also the most competitive. What pissed me off the most is this is a game where our lack preparation and practice kicked us in the face. When Jimmy was a lost cause the offense should have focused on Bam and Herro. This game Bam was on fire but at times he looked so mechanical, like he was mentally doing a check list, do a screen first, then move to x spot, then ok let me make a pass etc. All of that should be second nature with practice. He had a few opportunities to score and you could just tell he was over thinking it, like he was thinking should I pass this or score. All things that get sorted out with practice and repletion. This is where giving more shots to Terry or Wiggins is just holding back Bam and his offensive growth, just frustrating to be honest.