2025 Playoffs: Round 1, Game 3: Cleveland @ Miami - 1pm EST on 4/26

[DayofMourning]

Save us Rasheer Fleming!

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Everyone was tradable except for Jimmy was my position over the years.

Somewhat of a lone wolf

Fair enough but it doesn't exactly explain how to make us a contender, it just means you considered the roster transient. It's easy to label guys as "not franchise pieces/good enough", its really hard to get the guys who are.

And I wouldn't exactly accuse our front office as being the type to not try to make moves, they're usually active in rumors and trade markets, but it takes two to make a deal. And we've had issues that are sometimes outside our control, from agents who don't want to deal with Riley (blame him if you want but its kind of bs the control groups like Klutch have over the league), to other players agents sabotaging their chance to get here (Dame's agent pissing off Cronin to the point he wouldn't even deal with Pat), to us simply not having the pieces to get a deal done, or guys not wanting to come here (KD, Giannis etc).

Also you have to consider, if you yourself think nobody on the roster matters that much, then how much value do they really have? You're saying they're doodoo and you want us to turn doodoo into gold. I agree that's the goal, but its not always so easy.

Never said "or else" for the record

The point I'm trying to get across is that there needs to be accountability for poor management.

Regarding the team loyalty position, sure, whatever.

That gets dogmatic and religious when applied unconditionally.

The disillusionment of being a lifelong Dolphin fan and eventually putting down those heavy bags has bled into my prospective on all sports and in other areas.

Poor management doesnt deserve a pass.

Just saw this, and have to say as a fellow South Floridian, the Heat are in no way shape or form comparable to the Dolphins or Marlins, whose positions are light years worse. It feels **** that all the major sports teams (except hockey) are kind of mediocre to bad right now, but the Heat have structure. The Dolphins and Marlins are clown show organizations and that goes directly to ownership all the way down. People want to compare Riley's end to Shula's, well I'll remind them the same people who chased Shula out of town, look what that got you.

[Beenie]

Everyone was tradable except for Jimmy was my position over the years.

Somewhat of a lone wolf

Fair enough but it doesn't exactly explain how to make us a contender, it just means you considered the roster transient. It's easy to label guys as "not franchise pieces/good enough", its really hard to get the guys who are.

And I wouldn't exactly accuse our front office as being the type to not try to make moves, they're usually active in rumors and trade markets, but it takes two to make a deal. And we've had issues that are sometimes outside our control, from agents who don't want to deal with Riley (blame him if you want but its kind of bs the control groups like Klutch have over the league), to other players agents sabotaging their chance to get here (Dame's agent pissing off Cronin to the point he wouldn't even deal with Pat), to us simply not having the pieces to get a deal done, or guys not wanting to come here (KD, Giannis etc).

Also you have to consider, if you yourself think nobody on the roster matters that much, then how much value do they really have? You're saying they're doodoo and you want us to turn doodoo into gold. I agree that's the goal, but its not always so easy.

Never said "or else" for the record

The point I'm trying to get across is that there needs to be accountability for poor management.

Regarding the team loyalty position, sure, whatever.

That gets dogmatic and religious when applied unconditionally.

The disillusionment of being a lifelong Dolphin fan and eventually putting down those heavy bags has bled into my prospective on all sports and in other areas.

Poor management doesnt deserve a pass.

Just saw this, and have to say as a fellow South Floridian, the Heat are in no way shape or form comparable to the Dolphins or Marlins, whose positions are light years worse. It feels **** that all the major sports teams (except hockey) are kind of mediocre to bad right now, but the Heat have structure. The Dolphins and Marlins are clown show organizations and that goes directly to ownership all the way down. People want to compare Riley's end to Shula's, well I'll remind them the same people who chased Shula out of town, look what that got you.

Not comparing the Heat to the others. Point is that I'm not pledging unconditional loyalty to any org. The Heat has been superior to those franchises by endless miles. But that doesnt absolve them for their incompetence in recent years and deserve to be criticized.

Regarding your first response - its relative. When I'm critical of Bam, it doesnt mean that I also think he has no trade value; on the contrary, I think he has great trade value. I'm not buying the 'Mia couldn't have done more' framing that's being implied. The league has been trade happy for sometime now. Mia just seemingly has had a more conservative approach when it comes to roster construction in recent years in comparison to their contending contemporaries like Bos, Mil, and NY.

[eddieheatfan]

Everyone was tradable except for Jimmy was my position over the years.

Somewhat of a lone wolf

Fair enough but it doesn't exactly explain how to make us a contender, it just means you considered the roster transient. It's easy to label guys as "not franchise pieces/good enough", its really hard to get the guys who are.

And I wouldn't exactly accuse our front office as being the type to not try to make moves, they're usually active in rumors and trade markets, but it takes two to make a deal. And we've had issues that are sometimes outside our control, from agents who don't want to deal with Riley (blame him if you want but its kind of bs the control groups like Klutch have over the league), to other players agents sabotaging their chance to get here (Dame's agent pissing off Cronin to the point he wouldn't even deal with Pat), to us simply not having the pieces to get a deal done, or guys not wanting to come here (KD, Giannis etc).

Also you have to consider, if you yourself think nobody on the roster matters that much, then how much value do they really have? You're saying they're doodoo and you want us to turn doodoo into gold. I agree that's the goal, but its not always so easy.

Never said "or else" for the record

The point I'm trying to get across is that there needs to be accountability for poor management.

Regarding the team loyalty position, sure, whatever.

That gets dogmatic and religious when applied unconditionally.

The disillusionment of being a lifelong Dolphin fan and eventually putting down those heavy bags has bled into my prospective on all sports and in other areas.

Poor management doesnt deserve a pass.

Just saw this, and have to say as a fellow South Floridian, the Heat are in no way shape or form comparable to the Dolphins or Marlins, whose positions are light years worse. It feels **** that all the major sports teams (except hockey) are kind of mediocre to bad right now, but the Heat have structure. The Dolphins and Marlins are clown show organizations and that goes directly to ownership all the way down. People want to compare Riley's end to Shula's, well I'll remind them the same people who chased Shula out of town, look what that got you.

hey riley is being far from getting younger, its gonna happen at some point the faster the better the more they delay this the more difficult will be to bounce from this. riley and spo has to go, you need to bring ppl with a new and right mindset that are hungry to win.

as a matter of fact, i believe that riley is satisfied with his accomplishments and ditto for spo. chasing championships is not easy and carry a cost that i dont think neither are able to pay anymore. time to turn the page on them. the game has past them by

[Beenie]

Everyone was tradable except for Jimmy was my position over the years.

Somewhat of a lone wolf

Fair enough but it doesn't exactly explain how to make us a contender, it just means you considered the roster transient. It's easy to label guys as "not franchise pieces/good enough", its really hard to get the guys who are.

And I wouldn't exactly accuse our front office as being the type to not try to make moves, they're usually active in rumors and trade markets, but it takes two to make a deal. And we've had issues that are sometimes outside our control, from agents who don't want to deal with Riley (blame him if you want but its kind of bs the control groups like Klutch have over the league), to other players agents sabotaging their chance to get here (Dame's agent pissing off Cronin to the point he wouldn't even deal with Pat), to us simply not having the pieces to get a deal done, or guys not wanting to come here (KD, Giannis etc).

Also you have to consider, if you yourself think nobody on the roster matters that much, then how much value do they really have? You're saying they're doodoo and you want us to turn doodoo into gold. I agree that's the goal, but its not always so easy.

Never said "or else" for the record

The point I'm trying to get across is that there needs to be accountability for poor management.

Regarding the team loyalty position, sure, whatever.

That gets dogmatic and religious when applied unconditionally.

The disillusionment of being a lifelong Dolphin fan and eventually putting down those heavy bags has bled into my prospective on all sports and in other areas.

Poor management doesnt deserve a pass.

Just saw this, and have to say as a fellow South Floridian, the Heat are in no way shape or form comparable to the Dolphins or Marlins, whose positions are light years worse. It feels **** that all the major sports teams (except hockey) are kind of mediocre to bad right now, but the Heat have structure. The Dolphins and Marlins are clown show organizations and that goes directly to ownership all the way down. People want to compare Riley's end to Shula's, well I'll remind them the same people who chased Shula out of town, look what that got you.

hey riley is being far from getting younger, its gonna at some point the faster the better the more they delay this the more difficult will be to bounce from this. riley and spo has to go, you need to bring ppl with a new and right mindset that are hungry to win.

as a matter of fact, i believe that riley is satisfied with his accomplishments and ditto for spo. chasing championships is not easy and carry a cost that i dont think neither are able to pay anymore. time to turn the page on them. the game has past them by

If I had my druthers, I'd like them to bring Wade into the FO and fasttrack him on the path to becoming the GM.

Spo can stay on for now.

[Bishop45]

So that could’ve went better…

[marson]

Predicted Cavs in 5. We are 10th seed after all who did not deserve a playoff spot in the old format.

Credit to the Cavs. They are too deep and talented. Mitchell did not even sweat lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Predicted Cavs in 5. We are 10th seed after all who did not deserve a playoff spot in the old format.

Credit to the Cavs. They are too deep and talented. Mitchell did not even sweat lol

Wiggins is still trailing your Garland matchup despite Garland not playing today and ducking smoke

[marson]

Predicted Cavs in 5. We are 10th seed after all who did not deserve a playoff spot in the old format.

Credit to the Cavs. They are too deep and talented. Mitchell did not even sweat lol

Wiggins is still trailing your Garland matchup despite Garland not playing today and ducking smoke

Thats wild actually.

[HeatFanLifer]

This team has over $53 million dollars going to Rozier, D-Rob, and Kyle Anderson this year. Add in Wiggins and it’s almost $80 million. This is complete mismanagement of cap space and a fireable offense. The curtain was hung up on this team last offseason, but management just couldn’t see the writing on the wall and dug the team into a deeper hole.

If you go team by team in the NBA, you'll find the vast majority of salary is taken up by players that probably don't deserve it. The entire incentive structure for the league is broken and won't be fixed without blowing up the current CBA, but that's all highly political and not something you'll probably see at least by the next CBA.

I'm serious, pick any bottom 20 team in the league, go player by player salary by salary, and I promise nearly every team has 50 million + going to players that you could argue don't deserve it. It's a CBA issue, not a specific team issue, although some teams are obviously worse about it than others.

True, there are a lot of bad contracts out there. Why are the Heat trading for them?

[Tim_Hardawayy]

This team has over $53 million dollars going to Rozier, D-Rob, and Kyle Anderson this year. Add in Wiggins and it’s almost $80 million. This is complete mismanagement of cap space and a fireable offense. The curtain was hung up on this team last offseason, but management just couldn’t see the writing on the wall and dug the team into a deeper hole.

If you go team by team in the NBA, you'll find the vast majority of salary is taken up by players that probably don't deserve it. The entire incentive structure for the league is broken and won't be fixed without blowing up the current CBA, but that's all highly political and not something you'll probably see at least by the next CBA.

I'm serious, pick any bottom 20 team in the league, go player by player salary by salary, and I promise nearly every team has 50 million + going to players that you could argue don't deserve it. It's a CBA issue, not a specific team issue, although some teams are obviously worse about it than others.

True, there are a lot of bad contracts out there. Why are the Heat trading for them?

Because that's all most teams are willing to give up, and you have "fans" who are never satisfied unless a deal is made. Did you read this board last year at the time of the Rozier trade? I'm not going to name names and to be honest I haven't kept receipts, but this board was overwhelmingly positive and in favor of the move, with many praising Riley for "finally doing something".

Even if you aren't one of the people who get excited at moves just for the sake of moves, it doesn't change the fact that most of the trade action in the NBA is shuffling around garbage contracts from one team to another, teams don't just give up guys on good deals, which 80-90% of the time are just guys still on rookie deals anyways.

[HeatFanLifer]

Because that's all most teams are willing to give up, and you have "fans" who are never satisfied unless a deal is made. Did you read this board last year at the time of the Rozier trade? I'm not going to name names and to be honest I haven't kept receipts, but this board was overwhelmingly positive and in favor of the move, with many praising Riley for "finally doing something".

Even if you aren't one of the people who get excited at moves just for the sake of moves, it doesn't change the fact that most of the trade action in the NBA is shuffling around garbage contracts from one team to another, teams don't just give up guys on good deals, which 80-90% of the time are just guys still on rookie deals anyways.

If a Pat Riley organization feels like they need to appease the mob when making personnel decisions then they have a lot more problems than I thought.

[al bondiga]

read that everybody is panicking.
This...
What is happening to our team, is exactly what should happen ...We have a couple of great players And we Are facing a far superior team

if we had JB also who was and still is an opportunist...but he is old... So I don't know... Maybe we would have lost in 7??

again I say ...we have a good team, but what is happening is exactly what should

JB got lucky, He fell into a great situation With one of the best
If not the best shooter in history

[NightWatch]

Because that's all most teams are willing to give up, and you have "fans" who are never satisfied unless a deal is made. Did you read this board last year at the time of the Rozier trade? I'm not going to name names and to be honest I haven't kept receipts, but this board was overwhelmingly positive and in favor of the move, with many praising Riley for "finally doing something".

Even if you aren't one of the people who get excited at moves just for the sake of moves, it doesn't change the fact that most of the trade action in the NBA is shuffling around garbage contracts from one team to another, teams don't just give up guys on good deals, which 80-90% of the time are just guys still on rookie deals anyways.

If a Pat Riley organization feels like they need to appease the mob when making personnel decisions then they have a lot more problems than I thought.

I was never excited about Wiggins and Rozier trade. I never understood what people see in Wiggins. He’s just not dependable and I was shock Heat showed interested in him. I feel like some fans here just wanted to make a trade just for the sake of making a trade.


Anyway, game time is today. What’s Heat game plan? Throw in the towel? Adjust the lineup? Who do you guys think should be starting?