Game 1: Miami @ Orlando 10/22 7 PM EST
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That jovic extension is going to haunt us.. did not warrant an extension.. hes barely an nba caliber player..
Hope he proves me wrong but that extension was purely based on potential and not based on anything he did on the court the last couple years.. which hasnt been much
Hope he proves me wrong but that extension was purely based on potential and not based on anything he did on the court the last couple years.. which hasnt been much

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Vertical Limit wrote:That jovic extension is going to haunt us.. did not warrant an extension.. hes barely an nba caliber player..
Hope he proves me wrong but that extension was purely based on potential and not based on anything he did on the court the last couple years.. which hasnt been much
Disagree.
22yrs old. 6'10", 240lbs, playmaker and stretch big. These kind of players don't grow on trees. He is a connector - might never be a star, but he also isn't being paid like one. The team tends to play better when he's on the floor - he was a +8 tonight, second on the team to Powell (+12).
It doesn't look like he had a great nigt, but his contract is solid value, even if he maxes out at a 12/5/3 guy. He's being paid Duncan Robinson money.
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Wiltside wrote:Vertical Limit wrote:That jovic extension is going to haunt us.. did not warrant an extension.. hes barely an nba caliber player..
Hope he proves me wrong but that extension was purely based on potential and not based on anything he did on the court the last couple years.. which hasnt been much
Disagree.
22yrs old. 6'10", 240lbs, playmaker and stretch big. These kind of players don't grow on trees. He is a connector - might never be a star, but he also isn't being paid like one. The team tends to play better when he's on the floor - he was a +8 tonight, second on the team to Powell (+12).
It doesn't look like he had a great nigt, but his contract is solid value, even if he maxes out at a 12/5/3 guy. He's being paid Duncan Robinson money.
Jovic is not a bad player.
But imo, it is wrong to put playmaker duties to him.
I prefer Ware to start.
Ware does not try to playmake.
He plays his role, which is to block shots, take rebounds and finish in offense.
But we will see. It was the first game and our opinions will change
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TroubleS0me wrote:Just finished watching. Yea we had a meltdown in the 4th QTR and liked what I saw from Fontecchio ,Mitchell (12 ast and 1 TO) and Powell. Ware still needs to work on his defensive awareness/positioning.
We're a BAD team that should be rebuilding yet the 3 things you liked the most are our 3 oldest players that are the most unlikely to even be here in 2 years.
What the **** are we even doing at this point
Fontecchio and Powell...**** my life. This org is LOST
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Fontecchio was absolutely brutal defensively, yet im seeing so much love for him.
Desilva scored 13 pts in 4 minutes with fontecchio as his primary defender. No other person on the team gave up double digit points to a single player.
13 pts in 4 mins
Shot 67%
3/5 from 3 with fontecchio not even getting a hand up.
Bitzde is the other one that clobbered us, and that one was on ware. Jaime was the other turnstyle, he was getting targeted by wagner every time.
Every other magic player was kinda held in check by the starters.
Bam held Carter to 2 pts and 0 fg% in 5 mins.
Wiggs held Franz to 5 pts and 25% fg in 5 mins
Our problem defensively was the switching. Paolo and wagner got a switch every time and got a smaller player. Both guys struggled to score on bam and wiggins. They scored 13 pts and shot sub 30% vs them. Mitchell and Powell got stuck down low alot. They tried, but just too small.
Imo magic went switch then forced jovic to be the help. That said, the starters were good as a unit.
Desilva scored 13 pts in 4 minutes with fontecchio as his primary defender. No other person on the team gave up double digit points to a single player.
13 pts in 4 mins
Shot 67%
3/5 from 3 with fontecchio not even getting a hand up.
Bitzde is the other one that clobbered us, and that one was on ware. Jaime was the other turnstyle, he was getting targeted by wagner every time.
Every other magic player was kinda held in check by the starters.
Bam held Carter to 2 pts and 0 fg% in 5 mins.
Wiggs held Franz to 5 pts and 25% fg in 5 mins
Our problem defensively was the switching. Paolo and wagner got a switch every time and got a smaller player. Both guys struggled to score on bam and wiggins. They scored 13 pts and shot sub 30% vs them. Mitchell and Powell got stuck down low alot. They tried, but just too small.
Imo magic went switch then forced jovic to be the help. That said, the starters were good as a unit.
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Wiltside wrote:Vertical Limit wrote:That jovic extension is going to haunt us.. did not warrant an extension.. hes barely an nba caliber player..
Hope he proves me wrong but that extension was purely based on potential and not based on anything he did on the court the last couple years.. which hasnt been much
Disagree.
22yrs old. 6'10", 240lbs, playmaker and stretch big. These kind of players don't grow on trees. He is a connector - might never be a star, but he also isn't being paid like one. The team tends to play better when he's on the floor - he was a +8 tonight, second on the team to Powell (+12).
It doesn't look like he had a great nigt, but his contract is solid value, even if he maxes out at a 12/5/3 guy. He's being paid Duncan Robinson money.
Mia's roster is nothing but connectors lol
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Wiltside wrote:There's a lot of teams playing BIG frontlines at the moment.
How long until we can roll out Ware/Adebayo/Jovic as the 5/4/3?
Never apparently, the fanbase as hard headed as the coaching staff
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Guess we have a roster spot to fill.
Don't drop the soap Terry and I wonder if chauncy will be his cell mate.?
Don't drop the soap Terry and I wonder if chauncy will be his cell mate.?
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Wiltside wrote:There's a lot of teams playing BIG frontlines at the moment.
How long until we can roll out Ware/Adebayo/Jovic as the 5/4/3?
Jovic can't guard 3s, but it might be useful against Houston with their 6'11 + the midget Amen Thompson at 6'7.
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Miami could have had 40-15-3blks, but instead chose to play Kel'el Wembare 14 mins.
Waiting for Spo to call Wiggins out for his -21.
Waiting for Spo to call Wiggins out for his -21.
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Crazy-Canuck wrote:Guess we have a roster spot to fill.
Don't drop the soap Terry and I wonder if chauncy will be his cell mate.?
Rozier is still on our cap so I don't think we can afford to sign anyone.
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SA37 wrote:Miami could have had 40-15-3blks, but instead chose to play Kel'el Wembare 14 mins.
Waiting for Spo to call Wiggins out for his -21.
Wiggins needs to be traded before it’s too late. Dude has no effort.
Proud embarrassment
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Shewasfly wrote:Hopefully guys give maximum effort now that the season has officially started. The talent gap will still be there, but outworking teams can help. Especially early in the season. Its the time to steal some wins, while other teams are still figuring it out and getting back into game shape.
I need to see 30 from Bam and 25+ from Powell.
Welp. At least Powell did his thing. He and Herro are gonna be an explosive offensive tandem in the backcourt.
Davion actually looked excellent as well too. I was pleasantly surprised with his assists. If he can keep it up we might not need a PG as badly as I thought.
Disappointments were Bam, Ware, and Jovic, with the most disappointing being Bam. He looks the exact same skill wise, zero progression. The only thing I thought was promising was he seemed a lot more willing to shoot and actually looking for his shot. It was just game 1 though, so I'm trying to give grace. But we're on year 8 of this...
Also I'm not sure how long the Jovic at 4 stuff will last, but I'm guessing for as long as we still have Wiggins. I think he's a 3 all day, the same way I think Bam is an underskilled (offensively) 4. But I guess we'll just continue to force the issue with them both
That means Ware's minutes will be limited and perhaps inconsistent though, and I hate that for him and for us. I'd like to just get a prolonged look at these young guys and see if they have any long term potential. I don't need to see Wiggins' herky jerky chucking for 82 games.

Saudades.
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Shewasfly wrote:Shewasfly wrote:Hopefully guys give maximum effort now that the season has officially started. The talent gap will still be there, but outworking teams can help. Especially early in the season. Its the time to steal some wins, while other teams are still figuring it out and getting back into game shape.
I need to see 30 from Bam and 25+ from Powell.
Welp. At least Powell did his thing. He and Herro are gonna be an explosive offensive tandem in the backcourt.
Davion actually looked excellent as well too. I was pleasantly surprised with his assists. If he can keep it up we might not need a PG as badly as I thought.
Disappointments were Bam, Ware, and Jovic, with the most disappointing being Bam. He looks the exact same skill wise, zero progression. The only thing I thought was promising was he seemed a lot more willing to shoot and actually looking for his shot. It was just game 1 though, so I'm trying to give grace. But we're on year 8 of this...
Also I'm not sure how long the Jovic at 4 stuff will last, but I'm guessing for as long as we still have Wiggins. I think he's a 3 all day, the same way I think Bam is an underskilled (offensively) 4. But I guess we'll just continue to force the issue with them both![]()
That means Ware's minutes will be limited and perhaps inconsistent though, and I hate that for him and for us. I'd like to just get a prolonged look at these young guys and see if they have any long term potential. I don't need to see Wiggins' herky jerky chucking for 82 games.
Was watching Castle from SA last night doing a young Jimmy impression and I find the idea of him and Ware growing together to be tantalizing.
Let Bam go be with his boy Fox and form a big three with Wemby. Those guys are ready to challenge OKC this season.
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Beenie wrote:Shewasfly wrote:Shewasfly wrote:Hopefully guys give maximum effort now that the season has officially started. The talent gap will still be there, but outworking teams can help. Especially early in the season. Its the time to steal some wins, while other teams are still figuring it out and getting back into game shape.
I need to see 30 from Bam and 25+ from Powell.
Welp. At least Powell did his thing. He and Herro are gonna be an explosive offensive tandem in the backcourt.
Davion actually looked excellent as well too. I was pleasantly surprised with his assists. If he can keep it up we might not need a PG as badly as I thought.
Disappointments were Bam, Ware, and Jovic, with the most disappointing being Bam. He looks the exact same skill wise, zero progression. The only thing I thought was promising was he seemed a lot more willing to shoot and actually looking for his shot. It was just game 1 though, so I'm trying to give grace. But we're on year 8 of this...
Also I'm not sure how long the Jovic at 4 stuff will last, but I'm guessing for as long as we still have Wiggins. I think he's a 3 all day, the same way I think Bam is an underskilled (offensively) 4. But I guess we'll just continue to force the issue with them both![]()
That means Ware's minutes will be limited and perhaps inconsistent though, and I hate that for him and for us. I'd like to just get a prolonged look at these young guys and see if they have any long term potential. I don't need to see Wiggins' herky jerky chucking for 82 games.
Was watching Castle from SA last night doing a young Jimmy impression and I find the idea of him and Ware growing together to be tantalizing.
Let Bam go be with his boy Fox and form a big three with Wemby. Those guys are ready to challenge OKC this season.
Funny enough I was kinda thinking the reverse lol
With Castle showing signs the way he is, and Fox being older and showing some injury concerns as of late, I would be considering making him available if I was the Spurs. Kind of ****, since Fox specifically wanted to be in that area for his family. But you never know...

Saudades.
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fishfuego. wrote:HeatFan_NC wrote:Bam is overpaid, but I'm sure the entirety of Heat nation knows that by now. Hopefully, the front office doesn't make the same mistake with Herro
You know Bam can be traded.
I would.
If I could get a star or a couple of borderline star players for him, I would trade him.
Keep the core of Mitchell, Ware, JJJ, and Powell.
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Shewasfly wrote:Beenie wrote:Shewasfly wrote:Welp. At least Powell did his thing. He and Herro are gonna be an explosive offensive tandem in the backcourt.
Davion actually looked excellent as well too. I was pleasantly surprised with his assists. If he can keep it up we might not need a PG as badly as I thought.
Disappointments were Bam, Ware, and Jovic, with the most disappointing being Bam. He looks the exact same skill wise, zero progression. The only thing I thought was promising was he seemed a lot more willing to shoot and actually looking for his shot. It was just game 1 though, so I'm trying to give grace. But we're on year 8 of this...
Also I'm not sure how long the Jovic at 4 stuff will last, but I'm guessing for as long as we still have Wiggins. I think he's a 3 all day, the same way I think Bam is an underskilled (offensively) 4. But I guess we'll just continue to force the issue with them both![]()
That means Ware's minutes will be limited and perhaps inconsistent though, and I hate that for him and for us. I'd like to just get a prolonged look at these young guys and see if they have any long term potential. I don't need to see Wiggins' herky jerky chucking for 82 games.
Was watching Castle from SA last night doing a young Jimmy impression and I find the idea of him and Ware growing together to be tantalizing.
Let Bam go be with his boy Fox and form a big three with Wemby. Those guys are ready to challenge OKC this season.
Funny enough I was kinda thinking the reverse lol
With Castle showing signs the way he is, and Fox being older and showing some injury concerns as of late, I would be considering making him available if I was the Spurs. Kind of ****, since Fox specifically wanted to be in that area for his family. But you never know...
Castle is gonna have ups and downs as a young player. SA is gonna need Fox in the post season if they are serious about contending this year.
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SA37 wrote:Wiltside wrote:There's a lot of teams playing BIG frontlines at the moment.
How long until we can roll out Ware/Adebayo/Jovic as the 5/4/3?
Jovic can't guard 3s, but it might be useful against Houston with their 6'11 + the midget Amen Thompson at 6'7.
Jovic could guard whoever was the "3" out there last night better than Jaime and Ware could handle Wendel Carter better than Davion or Wiggins. We're the only team that is building for a league that doesn't exist.
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Hallstar wrote:SA37 wrote:Wiltside wrote:There's a lot of teams playing BIG frontlines at the moment.
How long until we can roll out Ware/Adebayo/Jovic as the 5/4/3?
Jovic can't guard 3s, but it might be useful against Houston with their 6'11 + the midget Amen Thompson at 6'7.
Jovic could guard whoever was the "3" out there last night better than Jaime and Ware could handle Wendel Carter better than Davion or Wiggins. We're the only team that is building for a league that doesn't exist.
if Lebron couldnt walk into the offices and get his way with Spo i doubt anybody on this team can. his stubbornness is undefeated so he will hopefully look over the tape and just let the youngins make mistakes. this isn't some well oiled squad fighting for the championship at the moment
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I just want to say that Jovic suck and Spo shouldn't have put him in the rest of the game. When SPo played him in the last minutes of the game and I i automatically thought Magic was going to roll us then and my thought was right. spo made the correct decision not to play him up until the last minute of the game! SMH








