Question for Heat fans

SherronShabazz · Post #1 » by **SherronShabazz** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:00 pm

Bulls fan here...

I was wondering if the media and fans in Miami are calling for Pat Riley to be ousted?

Being a Bulls fan all I hear about is how horrible Paxson is and who he didn't trade for. A man who was a hero last season is the biggest villain this season. Obviously Skiles was blamed too.

Same thing with the Knicks.. NY fans want Isiah's head!

Does Riley get this kind of hate? Why or why not?

Post #2 » by **BBallFreak** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:56 pm

No, because he's got the mystique of being a championship caliber coach who actually won one here just two years ago. We know how good he is. Every once in a while, you'll hear some caller on a talk radio show say he should step down, and then the host tells him off, followed by additional callers who all do the same thing, reminding people that's he's rebuilt this team four times, and they've always been successful builds.

For the most part, we want Riley here. Some wouldn't mind if he were to step down as coach as long as it's at the end of the year, but most don't begrudge him staying as President of the organization...

Post #3 » by **Lane1974** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:06 pm

basically, the ultimate answer is: find me someone better... and in the end you can't, either as a coach or as a team prez. Maybe it's time for him to leave the sidelines like Bball said, but he would be replaced by a disciple of his, like Erik Spoelstra. In the front office, his right hand man is Randy Pfund who has been with him since the beginning, and was his asst. coach with the Lakers. So to fire them and bring in a John Nash or John Gabriel or something? Ridiculous!

Post #4 » by **Flash3** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:16 pm

if it were someone else coaching this team, you'd have a number of people calling for his firing, with the saying that even with Pat Riley here we wouldn't be this bad.

but....Pat Riley is coaching this team and we're still losing games.

there's something else....

SA37 · Post #5 » by **SA37** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:25 pm

Riley is pretty loved on these boards, but he has lived on his reputation with the Lakers and Knicks since arriving in Miami. If you look at his record in Miami, any other coach, just about, would have been fired several times already.

He gets a pass for what he did years and years ago.

Of course, people now point to Miami's championship -- which, to me, had very little to do with his coaching (Miami was most likely going to the Finals with Van Gundy as coach. Then Wade got hurt in the ECF and Miami ended up getting knocked out.) -- and say it nullifies any of his perceived failures in Miami. I disagree.

Overall, Riley changed the franchise for the better because he made Miami matter. He turned the franchise into a successful franchise. He deserves all the credit in the world for that.

JookyJam · Post #6 » by **JookyJam** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:27 pm

Its not the coach, It's the players. They have grown use to going out on the floor and not giving it 100%. I'm a knicks fan and thats what was taking place in NY. Isiah finally stuck to a core group that was playing well and they won a few games, so now they got some juice going into every game as if they can win it. It may not always happen for the win but you need to start somewhere. People commented on the roster situation where Miami was better than NY. NO way is that true!! NY has more talent and should have been expected to win that game lastnight with the talent they have. You just need chemistry to make it all happen. Miami just needs some new blood get yaself a Cassel or Webber im sure it will put some fire in that place to win games.

Post #7 » by **Lane1974** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:30 pm

SA37 wrote:Riley is pretty loved on these boards, but he has lived on his reputation with the Lakers and Knicks since arriving in Miami. If you look at his record in Miami, any other coach, just about, would have been fired several times already.

He gets a pass for what he did years and years ago.

Of course, people now point to Miami's championship -- which, to me, had very little to do with his coaching (Miami was most likely going to the Finals with Van Gundy as coach. Then Wade got hurt in the ECF and Miami ended up getting knocked out.) -- and say it nullifies any of his perceived failures in Miami. I disagree.

Overall, Riley changed the franchise for the better because he made Miami matter. He turned the franchise into a successful franchise. He deserves all the credit in the world for that.

and IMO, then & now, SVG was the perfect person at that time, they should have left him in. I jyst don't see someone else I'd prefer down here -- Mike Fratello? Skiles?

Doc Rivers is a genius now, but was a (Please Use More Appropriate Word) with the Magic and the first few years of the Celts?

Also, as for GMs, I think they have the plan for the capspace year and are living/dying with it. Would you replace him with Billy King? Kiki Vandeweighe?

Hoops23 · Post #8 » by **Hoops23** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:26 pm

What if Doc Rivers is the coach & president of the Heat and Riley for the Celts? What would be the record? The Celts are losing and the heat are winning?

Heat3 · Post #9 » by **Heat3** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:21 pm

Pat Riley is the Miami Heat. I don't want him to go anywhere until he is damn good and ready! :nod:

Post #10 » by **kyphi** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:42 pm

JookyJam wrote:Its not the coach, It's the players. They have grown use to going out on the floor and not giving it 100%. I'm a knicks fan and thats what was taking place in NY. Isiah finally stuck to a core group that was playing well and they won a few games, so now they got some juice going into every game as if they can win it. It may not always happen for the win but you need to start somewhere. People commented on the roster situation where Miami was better than NY. NO way is that true!! NY has more talent and should have been expected to win that game lastnight with the talent they have. You just need chemistry to make it all happen. Miami just needs some new blood get yaself a Cassel or Webber im sure it will put some fire in that place to win games.

but look at the players Riley chose - if the Heat had been able to hang onto at least one perimeter threat, their record would be better, imo. I'm sure Riley is trying to acquire one, but who does he have right now that another team would want and who he wants to trade?

SherronShabazz · Post #11 » by **SherronShabazz** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:57 pm

BBallFreak wrote:No, because he's got the mystique of being a championship caliber coach who actually won one here just two years ago. We know how good he is. Every once in a while, you'll hear some caller on a talk radio show say he should step down, and then the host tells him off, followed by additional callers who all do the same thing, reminding people that's he's rebuilt this team four times, and they've always been successful builds.

For the most part, we want Riley here. Some wouldn't mind if he were to step down as coach as long as it's at the end of the year, but most don't begrudge him staying as President of the organization...

ok. so you are saying that miami fans have sense lol i am so tired of the paxson hate its absurd. i think people forget how horrible the bulls were before paxson got the job.

riley has the rings and the winning teams. id say phil jackson, pat riley, and pop are the best 3 coaches in the game. jerry sloan and don nelson after them.

SherronShabazz · Post #12 » by **SherronShabazz** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:01 pm

JookyJam wrote:Its not the coach, It's the players. They have grown use to going out on the floor and not giving it 100%. I'm a knicks fan and thats what was taking place in NY. Isiah finally stuck to a core group that was playing well and they won a few games, so now they got some juice going into every game as if they can win it. It may not always happen for the win but you need to start somewhere. People commented on the roster situation where Miami was better than NY. NO way is that true!! NY has more talent and should have been expected to win that game lastnight with the talent they have. You just need chemistry to make it all happen. Miami just needs some new blood get yaself a Cassel or Webber im sure it will put some fire in that place to win games.

agreed. it is the players. in chicago skiles was fired but no one talks about how horrible hinrich and ben wallace have been all year. deng and gordon have dropped off. thats 4 of your 5 main players playing like crap!! nocioni is the only who has played well this year.

i watched the knicks a lot this season. the knicks struggle with guys who play balls out and guys who play on some posessions. again.. it aint the coach ITS THE PLAYERS. do knicks fans regret getting zach?

miami, i think its the younger players that just havent developed yet. ricky davis is trash to me. but you still have shaq, wade, and haslem. j will too. the bench is very young.

SherronShabazz · Post #13 » by **SherronShabazz** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:02 pm

kyphi wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

but look at the players Riley chose - if the Heat had been able to hang onto at least one perimeter threat, their record would be better, imo. I'm sure Riley is trying to acquire one, but who does he have right now that another team would want and who he wants to trade?

that was purely financial though right? kapono posey, jones, walker?

does luke jackson play at all?

hscryzer · Post #14 » by **hscryzer** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:15 pm

In my opinion, Riley seems to be a speculator more than a coach or a manager. Maybe he has that talent could let a all-star team to win the championship, but he has no patient to train the youngs, so I think Pat Riley is not good enough for next season,

Another reason is the heat seems to be lack of much important factor to win a game, I don't think Rose or Beasly can make up for that loss, in that case, why should we insist on the coach riley??

CB4MiamiHeat · Post #15 » by **CB4MiamiHeat** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:11 pm

i think Rilet keeps eeverything together...i have a feeling Shaq would be going off with a different coach.

Iputsomepantson · Post #16 » by **Iputsomepantson** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:50 pm

Pat Riley gets no more hate here than Sloan in Utah. He's had a few losing years, but overall he's proven he can build a winner and coach a winner.

Iputsomepantson · Post #17 » by **Iputsomepantson** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:53 pm

hscryzer wrote: Maybe he has that talent could let a all-star team to win the championship, but he has no patient to train the youngs, so I think Pat Riley is not good enough for next season,

I think your right. Riley does not have the patience to coach the young guys. I think that was a major reason why he stepped down just before the season where we had odom-butler-wade began. He probably saw the young guys making mistakes and was like dammit I need to step down or i'm gonna die!