Are We Looking for a Title or do You want a Dynasty

[donteInferno]

Maybe I am just a person who looks at the big picture, but All i read is that we are setting our selves up for a one time championship like we did in 06.

Look at the Lakers in 2000, 2001, 2002 they had there two core pieces Shaq and Kobe at this time Shaq in his prime and Kobe a rising star. The Spurs (even though some dont say they aren't a Dynasty) Two Stars Duncan in his prime and a rising star in Parker. ( I could talk about the Bulls, Showtime Lakers, and the Celtics but these were the last two)
Why were they Dynasties

1) They built there team on a strong front court player
(Since the Bull no other team has won without a powerful front court; Houston- Hakeem/Horry; Bulls( 2nd go) Rodman/Longley (mainly Rodman);Spurs- Ducan/Robinson; Lakers Shaq/Grant/Horry; Detriot Walace/Walace; Miami Shaq; Boston Garnett

2 The core all consist of three things Slasher, shooter, Post player. This is why Suns, Warriors, Mavericks, Wizards will allways mak the playoffs but never really win; no post presence

3 The abilty and the knowledge to refresh your role players. Clutch players and role players outside of the dynasty teams were different every year. Whether it was Steve Smith, Sean Elliot, Steve Kerr, Robert Horry (Both teams) Derrick Fisher, J.R Rieder, Ron Harper, Horrace Grant, AC Green and etc.
The teams brought in more motivated players after each run, unlike the Heat in 07 (A lot of players careers were complete now Payton, Walker, Mourning, Williams, S Anderson, D Anderson)

Solution
Solidify a core of Wade and Beasley and one other player under or 30 years old and build around it with complimentary players so you are det for the next 6 to seven years.

[HIF]

Not being the worst in the league would be a start.

[SA37]

Obviously, we'd prefer a dynasty, but they're not easy to build. The Pistons have had a GREAT team for the last 4-5 years and they have 1 title to show for it. Still we can only hope to create a team that can be like those Pistons or the Spurs of the last 6-7 years.

What you want is to create a team that can seriously contend for the title on a yearly basis. That happened in Detroit and San Antonio, most recently. Boston has a chance right now. The Lakers have a chance right now.

That's the level we need to get to. In 2010, we'll have a chance to really put that team in place, with the hope being we'll have a stud in Beasley, Wade will return, and we'll be able to add a top free agent, giving us a star-studded core that would need to be surrounded with the right supporting cast.

[Mourning_Heat_33]

Dynasty of course. And with today's NBA, it looks like you need a triple threat. I think over the next 2 years we can build a dynasty that will begin in 2010.

superstar guard Wade
potential star forward Beasley
competent backup PG Chalmers
competent role playing big man Haslem
keep the superstar happy by keeping around his best friend Wright

we have half of the pieces, here are the ones I'd like for us to get

competent starting PG who can do it all handle/pass/defend/shoot/drive Hinrich in 08?
competent SG/SF who can defend/shoot/slash Pietrus in 08?
a PF/C star who can complement Beasley's skills Bosh in 10?
a veteran C role player who can block and rebound, if Mourning can play till he is 45 then we are set

Hinrich and Chalmers take all of the PG minutes
Wade gets most of the SG minutes and Pietrus or one of the PGs the rest
Pietrus gets most of the SF minutes and Beasley the rest
Beasley and Haslem and Bosh split PF minutes
Bosh and Haslem and the veteran C take the C minutes

a tight 8-man rotation, maybe throw in another veteran Eddie Jones-type SG/SF. Wright?

I think that could be a 6 to 10 year dynasty/title run and not extremely far-fetched.

I think it is important to keep and obtain good role players. Pietrus I think could be molded into a heck of a player under the Heat. Haslem is too good of a role player. He is Bowen/PJ Brown/James Posey, etc.-caliber and we cannot afford to lose another one of these guys to another contender.

If we play our cards right, and according to Ira/Sun-Sentinel yesterday this is the direction it looks like we may head in, Pat Riley plans to equip for this, the summer of 2010 could be pivotal. I'm not expecting LeBron, but I could definitely see a joint Bosh signing/Wade resigning, considering by the end of the 09/10 season we'd hopefully have every piece in place except Bosh, according to my plan.

The other major acquisition outside of Bosh and Pietrus would be Hinrich. He has an awful contract, but luckily it decreases in value (smart of the Bulls). But it's still long-term and he is coming off a below average season. Between those 2 things, I see no reason why shorter-term contracts plus a young player and maybe a future 2nd rounder couldn't obtain him. I'm thinking Blount + Banks + Cook + 2nd rounder for Hinrich. The Bulls also fortify backup center and backup PG with SOLID players. Don't forget, Blount as a starter averages about 15 ppg and 6 rpg. Statistically speaking, we are talking about a top 20 center in the league here (maybe even top 15 if you want to get down to it). And Banks is a young, up and coming PG. Then you have Cook who is basically an extra mid-first round pick for the Bulls. Cook claims he can be the next Ray Allen. He would take over Hughes' spot on the team once Hughes' contract ends, at the very least, and be much younger and far more agile and productive.

And that is how I think we should do it. The question is, how much will Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh's starting salaries in 2010 be? Is 15 million too low? 17 million too high?

And how much would a player like Pietrus make? About 5 mil a year? 7 mil? 4 mil? And how much would Haslem be resigned for? He's making about 6-7 mil a year right now.


Bosh 15 mil
Wade 15 mil
Beasley 4.5 mil
Pietrus 5 mil
Haslem 6 mil
Hinrich 9 mil
Wright 2.5 mil
Chalmers 2.5 mil

That's 60 mil, which is about what the cap should be in 2010. Take out Wright and we will have a safer amount and more to give to our free agents' starting salaries. Everyone else would be a minimum deal.

[Pro]

Dorrell Wright was a smart man to befriend Wade.
Keeps him earning millions for years to come.

[Carolina Heat]

Waiting for 2010 sure seems like a good way to no championships.

As was stated, let's first worry about getting out of the last spot, then the lottery, then make the playoffs.

Any championship is worth its weight in gold. Do you think the Celts are built to be a 'dynasty'? At best, they have 3 yrs to win it with that core.

As it turned out, the Heat had 3 yrs to win it with the core it had and did it yr 2, leaving the 3rd yr a mess. Would you rathe rhave Brian Grant, Odom, and Caron back and be a middling team with no banner?

In today's sports world, you build to win now, not years from now. Of course, if you can win later as well as win now you try to do that too, but by no means is that the primary focus.

Injuries, diminished skills, other teams increased skills, free agency and the salary cap are all reasons why there are no real dynasties any more. Maybe Portland could be building one, but maybe they will just never reach their potential.

I am all for the Heat winning basketball games. Praying for a 2010 free agent doesn't do a darn thing to get that done, and if it fails, what do we do then? Wait another 2 or 3 seasons for the next good crop of players?

Let's go get Brand, keep Beasley, and see if Wade can still be the closest thing to MJ since he left the Bulls. If that roster can't win a title, I don't see how one with a DWade with 2 more seasons on his tires wins one with Bosh, either...


edit -- max money then will be well over 20 million per yr. Wade makes 15 now, Marion even makes 17 now...

[pramis123]

Great thead because I think it is worth talking about what is important to the fan base. I don't know about anyone else, but the Shaq trade which brought us one championship and a ton of headaches afterwards leaving us at the bottom of the league is something I never want to go through again. It felt like a great one night stand with a beauty queen that left you afterwards with a ton of problems and health issues that you were not counting on. I will take long term success each and every time, which is why I would like Pat to focus all of his energy into going after young talented veterans that can perform at a high level today, that mix well with our core, and still have room to grow. That is why I would love the Heat to do a sign and trade using Marion for Andris Biedrins from Golden State, who is like 21 years old and is was almost averaging a double double last season. You put him and his shot blocking/defense next to Beasley, and you have an excellent big man combo that complements each others strenghts and weaknesses. Add Wade to that mix, and you have a three headed monster who's oldest player (wade) is 26 and you have the start of something big. Frankly, I would do whatever it takes for this kid even if it takes away purchasing power in 2010 because nothing is guaranteed that we will be getting any of those other superstars as they can get the most money from their own teams (if Lebron leaves the Cavs, it will be for NJ and Bosh is one of the few that I could see coming here, but with Beasley here, is he really a priority and doesnt Biedrins give you similar production than him NOW while being younger). Also, if Pat goes against the current and spends this offseason to get a guy like him, which allows us to be a championship contender right away (certainly going deep into the playoffs with a couple more complimentary role players), would that not be a way to motivate Wade to extend here in Miami? On the backside, if Wade gets hurt and is not the same player and his contract comes off the books, would Miami be a more attactive option if you have a strong frontline of Biedrens and Beasley who would be 23 and 21 years old respectively in 2010? Folks, this is the move to make and don't get fooled by small money deals for marginal talent on unproven players, never has beens or over the hill guys on their last legs. Those deals you do for complimentary pieces only hoping one of them works out better than expected.

[Carolina Heat]

Folks, this is the move to make and don't get fooled by small money deals for marginal talent on unproven players, never has beens or over the hill guys on their last legs. Those deals you do for complimentary pieces only hoping one of them works out better than expected.

and you suggest betting the farm on Biedrins? Take your own advice above, when you spoke about 'unproven players'.

Brand is neither unproven, a never has been, nor over the hill (he is 29).


Also, try paragraphs and spacing, as it makes for much easier reading...

[boyboy142]

I can't believe everyone believes Pat on the 2010 stuff. I'd be shocked if we don't try and dump salary for next offseason. I don't think he's dumb enough to take a chance that we're a 40 win team going into 2010 free agency because he was saving his cap space. Meanwhile 20 other organizations have the same plan with the cap space to steal his possibly disgruntled star player.

[CoolD]

That is why I would love the Heat to do a sign and trade using Marion for Andris Biedrins from Golden State, who is like 21 years old and is was almost averaging a double double last season. You put him and his shot blocking/defense next to Beasley, and you have an excellent big man combo that complements each others strenghts and weaknesses. Add Wade to that mix, and you have a three headed monster

Wow. Andris Biedrins. LOL.
Would equal a three headed monster.

Wow.

Am getting scared that all the Beasley supporters, are true fan boys.

[Iputsomepantson]

I think there's more to winning a title than just having the right core, you also have to have the right coach for the right team.

Phil Jackson, right coach, right team
Poppovich, right coach, right team
Riley, right coach, right team (no way SVG could pull off that coaching miracle)
Larry Brown, right coach, right team

Is Erik Spoelstra the right coach? We'll see.

[Lane1974]

I think there's more to winning a title than just having the right core, you also have to have the right coach for the right team.

Phil Jackson, right coach, right team
Poppovich, right coach, right team
Riley, right coach, right team (no way SVG could pull off that coaching miracle)
Larry Brown, right coach, right team

Is Erik Spoelstra the right coach? We'll see.

that's "playing the result" opinions.. if you polled the Celtics fans before last season, 100% of them would have said Doc was mediocre or worse as a coach and if you polled the Mavericks fans after game 2 of the 2006 finals, they all would have said Avery was the right coach for the right team.