Source: Camby to the Clippers

[GameTime_3]

A bench of Knigh,Mobley,D.Wright,Haslem,Blount would be Decent if not very good. Blount and Haslem are above avg NBA players, while Mobley is Starting material. Come on man, Calling that bench atrocious, then what do you call every other bench in the nba. Did you not forgot what the bench looked like for the Celtics, Posey,Eddie house,pj browm? You do realize that the bench normally has 1 or 2 players that have the potential to start on other teams, while the team you just called atrcious has 2 players that could start on many teams(Haslem-Mobley),1 player that has started for most team(Blount) and 2 players thathave been solid but not great Knight-Wright). That team team would make the playoffs for the next 2 years and be a piece away from contending, you never know, maybe a big time star ask for a trade and we scap the 2010 plan, but till then thats the plan.

[CoolD]

Blount is trash. The fact you think he is good, just kills any validity to your arguement.

Am not sure D Wright will be in the team.

So we have two super scrubs, in Knight and Blount, and two good players in Haslem and Mobley.

But the reason, we have the biggest scrubs in the biggest position in need.

If Kaman suffers a 15 game injury, we dont' make the playoffs.

Chalmers doesn't live up to the hype, or suffers a injury, we have a hard time making it, but might.

Knight would mesh horribly next to Wade.


That team might make the Playoffs if all the starters don't get hurt, but if we add the right depth, we can make the Playoffs even with injuries, and if we add the right depth, we can even go far in the Playoffs besides getting knocked out in the first round to add with that bench.

Blount started next to K.G, once K.G went to play along descent players in Boston, people were saying he was the best defender in the league, but when he played next to Blount, did you hear the same thing. Guys like Blount make other players look bad.

[MartyConlonJr]

CoolD this looks that bad to you?

C - Kaman / Blount / Mourning
PF - Beasley / Haslem / Anthony
SF - Jones / Wright
SG - Wade / Mobley / Cook
PG - Chalmers / Knight

That is probably the best center and shooting guard rotation in the league, and arguably up there (assuming Beasley pans out) as one of the best power forward rotations as well. Blount sucks as a starter, but he is an ok backup for 5-10 mins a night. I'm ecstatic at 3 of our 5 positions and I haven't made any follow up moves.

I'd rather have Jones/Wright at SF and Kaman at C than Blount at C with Marion for the coming year, while Marion is clearly better than Jones/Wright, Jones can stay in the corner ala Posey/Kapono/EJ and play good defense. ie, Jones is far from the liability at SF that Blount is at C. Adding in that there is no real way to add a good C through FA any time soon that I'm aware of.

Point guard could suck with Chalmers, I'm not sold yet, but we're not spending more than the LLE (we can't) this year to fill that spot. IMO we can get a Banks equivalent at LLE for 2 years, like Lue (probably not him, but a guy at that level) We can use the MLE next year for a 1 year rental at PG. Maybe a dude like Jason Kidd or someone that is solid (once again just an example, I realise Kidd might be shot) theres also the possibility of moving Haslem for help at PG short term

2008-2009
C - Kaman / Blount / Mourning
PF - Beasley / Haslem / Anthony
SF - Jones / Wright
SG - Wade / Mobley / Cook
PG - Lue / Chalmers / Knight

2009-2010
C - Kaman / Blount
PF - Beasley / Haslem / Anthony
SF - Jones / Wright
SG - Wade / Mobley / Cook
PG - Kidd / Chalmers

I mean, those teams can compete, I don't know what your plan is really, but Riley's is 2010, so I'm writing around that idea. Personally, if I could get Kaman for Marion and Hinrich for Haslem, I do that and call it a day, using the trade exception gained in the Clipps trade to solidify the bench, using the MLE next year and a draft pick in 2010 and forget the 2010 offseason altogether. But I don't know what trades are being thrown around.

I don't see how we are jeopardizing the team or sucking for 2 years. Yeah, we could scrap the 2010 plan, but it doesn't seem we are.

[GameTime_3]

Blount is trash. The fact you think he is good, just kills any validity to your arguement.

Am not sure D Wright will be in the team.

So we have two super scrubs, in Knight and Blount, and two good players in Haslem and Mobley.

But the reason, we have the biggest scrubs in the biggest position in need.

If Kaman suffers a 15 game injury, we dont' make the playoffs.

Chalmers doesn't live up to the hype, or suffers a injury, we have a hard time making it, but might.

Knight would mesh horribly next to Wade.


That team might make the Playoffs if all the starters don't get hurt, but if we add the right depth, we can make the Playoffs even with injuries, and if we add the right depth, we can even go far in the Playoffs besides getting knocked out in the first round to add with that bench.

Blount started next to K.G, once K.G went to play along descent players in Boston, people were saying he was the best defender in the league, but when he played next to Blount, did you hear the same thing. Guys like Blount make other players look bad.

CoolD is it possible that one day you will say something positive? Mark Blount is bad but you make him out to be a D-Leaguer. Sorry but it seems like you always find a way to make a positive into a negative(Kaman to miami). Your right, Knight who has playing in the nba for 11 years and one year came second to Steve Nash in asstis a Scrub. Your right, what happens if injurys happen! Cleveland better watch out because what happens if Lebron get injuryd. What happens if Oden is not worth the hype, damn Portand better start making moves. Everything is about the future and you seem to forget that. Making decisions for tommorw and the next day, is what i want from my G.M, not whats going to help us tommorw and only tommorw. Last time check that Walker deal really came out great, 1 year and done. CoolD tone it down alittle. Hearing some1 talk negative and only negative can take a toll on a person. I think i can speak in behalf of the board and say, we love your input but at time its a bit much with the negativity. I hope this doesnt offend you but im just trying to be as real with you as possible and i hope one day if i cross the line or you feel that i am overdoing something that you tell me. Thanks man.

[GameTime_3]

Back to our Bench convo, Blount is a below avg starter but is a above avg Bench player. Haslem is a great bench player(ala Posey) and when you consider mobley a bench player, you have to think 6th man of the year nominee. Knight is not the perfect fit for wade but he does bring a vet attidute and leadership skills that i feel will fit the heat.Knight is a playmaker and a decent defender, the guy loves to pass, which i think the heat need in a backup. Knight would also fit, Beasley,Marion,Cook,Dorell,Haslem. So yes your right,Knight does not fit next to wade but he does fit the rest of the rotation. Overall, w e would have a decent bench and doing all this while keeping the 2010 plan alive. I would love to sit here and say"Lets trade for Chancy and kaman" but i know the 2010 plan is what we need to consider. So any deal we do has to obey the 2010 plan and keep us entertaning.

[CaliHeat]

Another possible trade that would work for both sides:

Heat Get:
Chris Kaman
Tim Thomas
Cuttino Mobley

LAC Get:
Shawn Marion
Udonis Haslem


Mia Lineup:
Chalmers / Banks
Wade / Mobley / Cook
Jones / DWright / T.Thomas
Beasley / T.Thomas / Lasme
Kaman / Blount / Anthony / Zo

I would love a Marion-Banks for Kaman-Mobley=Knight, but I doubt it would happen.

[CoolD]

I like the idea of getting Kaman for Marion. But I don't like the idea of getting Knight, and losing Banks. If we are going to dump a guy, let it be Blount, I don't care if ruins the 2010 plan or not.

I also wouldn't count on Zo to much, he might never be the player he was before. And we can only rely on him for sparing minutes. Right now I wouldn't plan around Zo, if Zo happens to play that is a bonus, but If I put a team together right now, It would be like Zo had already retired, we don't really know what to expect of Zo, would be a nice bonus though

The reason you think am putting a positive in to a negative, because I tend to see the long picture. I remember everyone here last year was giddy after the Ricky Davis trade. I was one of the few, and everyone was mad at the fact about it.

I think we can do a better job, if we trade Marion.

Knight wouldn't mesh well. And you are bringing a couple glory years that were okay, that are irrelevant to the player we are getting right now. Lets get Antoine Walker again, he was an All Star long time ago. (Brevin has never been one to add)

[GameTime_3]

I like the idea of getting Kaman for Marion. But I don't like the idea of getting Knight, and losing Banks. If we are going to dump a guy, let it be Blount, I don't care if ruins the 2010 plan or not.

The reason you think am putting a positive in to a negative, because I tend to see the long picture. I remember everyone here last year was giddy after the Ricky Davis trade. I was one of the few, and everyone was mad at the fact about it.
I think we can do a better job, if we trade Marion.

Thats what why like the banks for knight deal. Banks for Knight would allow us to keep the 2010, while still adding Kaman. Your right that banks is the better player but knight holds the better contract. Another thing to consider is, Blount right now has a horrible contract and if we want to get rid of him, we would have to overpay to get rid of him, while next year he be comes a contract that teams will covet and overpay for. So while your right that knight is a step back talent wise, he is a upgrade for the future. I also think next year we will see miami running alot more, so knight's shooting ability would not be as noticable.

[DayofMourning]

Really surprised at this deal. I felt Camby was definitely more valuable than any of their post men.

Kaman is young and coming off a really strong season that followed some very good ones. His play has been getting better and he really developed into a stopper last year. He'd have been much easier to get last year than this year.

I think it would take Marion and Haslem to make the Clips accept. I think a lineup of Baron, Mobley, Gordon, Marion, Haslem, and Camby could seriously entice the Clips interest.

I expect Riley to have already placed calls.

[DayofMourning]

So I took a look at the numbers and was surprised at how seamlessly a deal for Kaman could be done while maintaining our cap flexibility in "The Year of Cap Space!".

Our salaries that year, a list that includes the most likely resignings:

Banks: 4.8 million
Beasley: 5.0 million
Chalmers: 1 million (rounded this one off)
Cook: 2.2 million
Wade: 17.2 million (leaving this one be for now)

That adds up to 30.2 million, or most likely 30 even, if you account for Chalmers possible salary.

The only possible signings that are in place right now to affect that number are Wright's possible deal and Jones'. I'll put Wright in at 3 million in '10 just to have something to account for.

That makes the number 33 million for 6 players. A lineup with depth usually has 8 to 9 strong players so 3 more need to be added. With the possible cap being 60 million in '10 then 27 million would be available.

That's where trading Haslem and Marion for Kaman, Mobley and Knight comes into play. Marion's and Haslem's contracts equal 23.8 million while the Clippers trio equals 20.6. Take into account the 15% allowance of discrepancy and you have the perfect contractual deal between teams.

Also, all but Kaman's deals expire before 2010! With Kaman making 11.3 that year.

Add that to the 33 already established and you have 15.7 million in space to make a max type offer to one of the huge free agents that year. That's where it comes down to all or nothing (meaning which position we'd be looking to fill) as the lineup would look like:

C: Kaman/?
F: Beasley/?
F: ?/Wright
G: Wade/Cook
G: Chalmers/Banks

That lineup obviously has starting talent everywhere...except for SF. So we'd have a pocket full of cash and three needs: backup center, backup power forward, and starting small forward.

FAs in 2010 courtesy of http://www.stopmikelupica.com/2007/12/n ... part_1.php:

Joe Johnson
Ray Allen
Ben Wallace
LeBron James (player option)
Dirk Nowitzki (player option)
Josh Howard (player option)
Marcus Camby
Rip Hamilton
Stephen Jackson
Tracy McGrady
Shaquille O'Neal
Dwyane Wade (player option for 10/11)
Michael Redd (player option for 10/11)
Tyson Chandler (player option for 10/11)
Eddy Curry (player option for 10/11)
Amare Stoudemire (player option for 10/11)
Brad Miller
Manu Ginobili
Chris Bosh (player option for 10/11)
Amir Johnson
Al Harrington
Cuttino Mobley
Tim Thomas
Derek Fisher
Mike Miller
Darko Mlicic
Brian Cardinal
Udonis Haslem
Quentin Richardson
Raja Bell
TJ Ford (player option for 10/11)

That's a nice list! I bolded my players of preference.

So if my meager CBA knowledge is correct then we can sign a guy like James (I might have heart failure), re up Haslem, and then use the MLE for another big man to fill out the roster-guys like Wallace or Camby who'll both be old, but we're talking a backup spot here.

There it is, the perfect scenario.

[DayofMourning]

Contradicted myself by saying "re up Haslem". He won't be ours due to being included in the trade. Maybe portion the MLE between he and an older player (Miller, Camby, Wallace)?

[GameTime_3]

^^^Great work, another reason why we need to trade Banks and rid ourselfs of his 4.9 million dollar salary.Lets say we trade banks and we waive JJ, that leaves us with 17.7 million dollars in space. We could also move cook that year, if we need another million or so we trade him for a pick.

[DayofMourning]

Thanks.

It took a few minutes to flesh out that whole post.

Also note that it would require us to not have any first round picks the next couple years to allow for that plan.

[DayofMourning]

To add to that last comment, Minnesota most likely gets our first next year, meaning the next years would be the only one to account for.

[HIF]

Really interested to see the report that Nets offered Williams/boone and expirings for Camby.

I think Riley should offer them Marion for the same kind of deal. I think williams and possibly Boone will be good players and certainly worth slotting into our lineup.

[Three O Five]

Really interested to see the report that Nets offered Williams/boone and expirings for Camby.

I think Riley should offer them Marion for the same kind of deal. I think williams and possibly Boone will be good players and certainly worth slotting into our lineup.

We'd be MUCH better off keeping Marion than trading him for those 2. At the worst we let him walk and have his contract come off of the books. Also, as has been mentioned in numerous posts, we need to see how Marion meshes with Beasley especially on the defensive side of the ball before we decide it isnt going to work.

This year will be a bit of a stop gap until Riles finishes reconstructing the roster.

[HIF]

Fair enough but I really liked what I saw of Williams last season and if we get expirings with it what's the problem?

[Three O Five]

Fair enough but I really liked what I saw of Williams last season and if we get expirings with it what's the problem?

Mainly that Marion is a much much better player than either of those two.

That's taking into consideration the youth factor as well.

[HIF]

Marion is also 50 years older than Williams and will soon start the decline.