Wade already a top 30 player of all-time?

[Zasterror]

Bill Simmons is arguably the best basketball writer out there. Also, the funniest.

Very arguable indeed. I can hardly consider him a basketball writer. I see him as an entertainer that genuinely loves basketball. He's a very different sort of writer from your usual basketball writers. As opposed to truly good basketball writers like Haberstroh who interprets statistics effectively and employs a slight amount of analysis or David Thorpe that straight up serves you insightful basketball analysis without any use of statistics, Bill Simmons is someone who you can't expect to break down a basketball game for you and explain the subtle nuances of a set or give you the defining points of a certain coach's offensive system.

Rather, he's incredibly good at putting players and events in the history of the NBA into perspective and does an impressive jobs identifying major trends and evolutions in playstyles of teams, players, and coaches in the NBA over the years. He's a basketball historian at its truest sense and the one word I can use to describe Simmons is perspective. Because he's damn good at understanding how players across eras can relate to each other, but he also has a good feel for how much certain accolades and intangibles should affect all-time rankings. He's as close to a RealGMer without being one as you can possibly expect. Because just like most of us he likes to talk about all-time rankings and can't be expected to give you detailed analysis of a game or set (except for a few good posters on each team's forum, for us Heatles I really enjoy Tim's, mopper's whenever he comes around, Flash's, and Dwadeno3's posts for analysis and of course unowen for DAT COMEDY).

Out of all the people that write about basketball (I don't like calling Simmons a basketball writer, he's a basketball historian and entertainer, but he doesn't really write basketball in my book) I trust Simmons the most on all time rankings. But he's very very far down on my list when I'm looking for insightful basketball talk (right next to Ric Bucher and Chad Ford).

+100

Perfect description of Simmons.

[_Game7_]

Another season of elite play, I say Wade will defiantly be top 30. Right now I personally have him in the 30-35 range. When he retires he can be anywhere from top 15-20 range, depending on how these next few seasons play out.

[StepBack3]

Another season of elite play, I say Wade will defiantly be top 30. Right now I personally have him in the 30-35 range. When he retires he can be anywhere from top 15-20 range, depending on how these next few seasons play out.

How??? How can you have 35 nba players ranked better then DWYANE wade?

THis guy goes so unappreciated.

Such a talent, one the league will NEVER see again.

Just please go re-wind tape and watch wade in the year he took heat to the CHIP.
Dropping tripple doubles, 40+ p games, 13/14/15 rebounds as a 6'4 2 guard are you kidding me?!? Not to mention he would have 30 points that same game with like 4 steals.

He is a magician and it'll be a pleasure to watch him ease into the lesser roll and become a veteran who pulls teams to victory over and over.

[Heej]

Peak-wise Wade is easily top 10-15 ever in my book. His peak was every bit as high as Kobe's if not higher due to his incredible efficiency and the way he racked up defensive statistics as a guard, and Kobe's basically considered top 10 when it comes to peak play. Ranking-wise with these last finals where he became the destroyer of worlds he's easily top 30 pushing top 25. Another finals like last years and Wade has to be in the conversation for all-time great finals performers.

[_Game7_]

Another season of elite play, I say Wade will defiantly be top 30. Right now I personally have him in the 30-35 range. When he retires he can be anywhere from top 15-20 range, depending on how these next few seasons play out.

How??? How can you have 35 nba players ranked better then DWYANE wade?

THis guy goes so unappreciated.

Such a talent, one the league will NEVER see again.

Just please go re-wind tape and watch wade in the year he took heat to the CHIP.
Dropping tripple doubles, 40+ p games, 13/14/15 rebounds as a 6'4 2 guard are you kidding me?!? Not to mention he would have 30 points that same game with like 4 steals.

He is a magician and it'll be a pleasure to watch him ease into the lesser roll and become a veteran who pulls teams to victory over and over.

Lol I can easily put 30 players over Wade right now on the all-time list, same with Lebron. Also, I said he has a chance to finish top 15 all-time I don't know what your problem is.

[DWadeno3]

Another season of elite play, I say Wade will defiantly be top 30. Right now I personally have him in the 30-35 range. When he retires he can be anywhere from top 15-20 range, depending on how these next few seasons play out.

How??? How can you have 35 nba players ranked better then DWYANE wade?

THis guy goes so unappreciated.

Such a talent, one the league will NEVER see again.

Just please go re-wind tape and watch wade in the year he took heat to the CHIP.
Dropping tripple doubles, 40+ p games, 13/14/15 rebounds as a 6'4 2 guard are you kidding me?!? Not to mention he would have 30 points that same game with like 4 steals.

He is a magician and it'll be a pleasure to watch him ease into the lesser roll and become a veteran who pulls teams to victory over and over.

Lol I can easily put 30 players over Wade right now on the all-time list, same with Lebron. Also, I said he has a chance to finish top 15 all-time I don't know what your problem is.

The problem is, threads like this will never lead to a good discussion unless one party concedes that they might be wrong with their opinion about Wade. The worst part is, neither side delivers fundamental arguments for or against their opinion. The fans claim his '06 Finals was the best performance ever, the haters say he could've never even won without the refs and it turns into a bitch fight. Aside of the fact that it is hard to rank players properly because in a lot of cases you could always pick one over the other, the strong personal bias most people have destroys any kind of normal exchange. Unfortunately, we're hated so much as a franchise in general that our players will automatically get underrated and underappreciated anyways.
This is why we could easily lock this thread, have our opinion and stop wasting our time trying to prove people wrong who don't want to be proven wrong.

[Heej]

Lol I can easily put 30 players over Wade right now on the all-time list, same with Lebron. Also, I said he has a chance to finish top 15 all-time I don't know what your problem is.

LMFAO, yeah you probably could put 30 players over Wade easily on your all-time list. But I sincerely doubt you're capable of articulating a compelling argument with reasonable criteria that is able to place 30 players over Wade without contradicting itself. Factoring peak play alone along with his dominant playoff runs during his early years and godlike Finals (particularly the second half of the '06 Finals) assures Wade of a top 30 placement. But if you're in idiot that doesn't factor that at all into his rankings I can see where Wade can have 30+ players ranked above him. I'd agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.