miami heat @ chicago bulls, 3/14/12 - 9:30pm

FlashKing · Post #921 » by **FlashKing** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:35 pm

HeatFanSince87 wrote:Guys... Why do u want us getting the 2nd seed? No home court against Bulls, matchup with Orlando in second round? What am I missing

What makes your think Orlando will make it past the 1st round? Bulls had home court last year and look at what happened?

Don't look too much into what occurred last night. Miami was playing on the 2nd night of a back-to-back after an overtime loss to it's in-State/Division rival. I'm sure there was some fatigue there. when playoff time comes around, we will see a completely different and very focused Miami team. Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh aren't going to let another title slip through the fingers.

Post #922 » by **DefenseWins** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:37 pm

Keep in mind Atlanta may match up with Orlando so... they aren't guaranteed. If we do what Atlanta does, we'd win too but oh well.

lol seeding does matter right now... 1st round to meet the Knicks or Bucks, or get old Boston? Wade goes ham on them every friggin time in the playoffs.

The way this team is playing, the best road to the playoffs is the 2nd seed. First seed too risky. Don't get cocky and say crap about sweeping Knicks or Bucks either lol. This team right now is not ready for the playoffs. Rather struggle now than later, like last year.

Moggs24 · Post #923 » by **Moggs24** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:48 pm

The way we are losing right now is a little concerning but not to bad. We have not been playing well b/c we have stop playing as a team and have returned to Wade and Lebron doing everything. This has happened for 2 reasons, 1 our bench is ice cold and two Wade doesn't look to be in a good place mentally. Past two games Wade has been pissed off from start to finish constantly yelling at refs and teammates and taking low percentage shots way more than he usually does. When we were on the win streak he and Lebron were working much better together in the confines of the team. Point is I think they will correct that come playoff time.

Also we are losing very tight games. That magic team is not gonna beat us in a 7 game series even if we suck like we did the other night. For these teams to barely beat us, it takes herculean efforts from role players that won't happen consistently enough throughout a 7 game series to warrant any concern. The reality is that these teams get up for the Heat like it is a game 7 and the Heat right now are bored with the regular season. This doesn't excuse our play but it is just the reality of the situation.

Lolo · Post #924 » by **Lolo** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:49 pm

FlashKing wrote:
Don't look too much into what occurred last night. Miami was playing on the 2nd night of a back-to-back after an overtime loss to it's in-State/Division rival. I'm sure there was some fatigue there.

Nice excuse. You do realize that the Heat just lost to a Bulls team minus Rose, Rip Hamilton and Lu Deng, CJ Watson at half strength, right? The Bulls had no business winning that game. Teams are starting to show what it takes to beat the Heat.... hit shots from the outside, and rebound, rebound, rebound. The Heat need a big dude in the middle to pull down some boards. I know Spo is mad at the effort level of the Heat, but I don't think that will be a problem come playoff time... the energy will be up. The problem will be rebounding.

SweetTouch · Post #925 » by **SweetTouch** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:56 pm

can't believe the game was so close at the end with how little interested the heat were in winning last night.

Ever since the AS break they have been giving about 15% effort. It's obvious they are bored and waiting for the postseason to begin

Pimpwerx · Post #926 » by **Pimpwerx** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:29 pm

We gave the Bulls a 17 point head start, essentially, and still made it a game. No Rose doesn't mean much since it's their defense that wins games. They will never be out of a game because they play more consistent defense in the regular season than we do. We only play in spurts.

Against a great defense like theirs (and they did a great job of denying us easy looks all night), you can't dig yourself a hole like we did. If we're gonna play like that in the playoffs, then yeah, worry. But that would be a serious step back for a team that seems much more focused this season.

I've said it all season, but our guys are taking the longview of this season. The effort has been lumpy except for that win streak. That Spo is mad at the lack of effort reinforces this. They can do better, and they will do better. The effort needs to be there if they expect to win a ring, and I think that's at the forefront of every Heatle's mind. PEACE.

FlashKing · Post #927 » by **FlashKing** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:36 pm

Lolo wrote:
FlashKing wrote:
Don't look too much into what occurred last night. Miami was playing on the 2nd night of a back-to-back after an overtime loss to it's in-State/Division rival. I'm sure there was some fatigue there.

Nice excuse. You do realize that the Heat just lost to a Bulls team minus Rose, Rip Hamilton and Lu Deng, CJ Watson at half strength, right? The Bulls had no business winning that game. Teams are starting to show what it takes to beat the Heat.... hit shots from the outside, and rebound, rebound, rebound. The Heat need a big dude in the middle to pull down some boards. I know Spo is mad at the effort level of the Heat, but I don't think that will be a problem come playoff time... the energy will be up. The problem will be rebounding.

Yes, lets ignore that it's the 2nd game of a back-to-back coming off an OT loss. clearly, that has no impact on a players body. clearly, Miami is the only team to ever lose to a team minus their superstar player.

If I remember correctly, the 72 win Bulls lost to a Miami team that had only 8 players suited up because of the trading deadline the day before. look at how it all turned out. typical Bulls fan to look more into a regular season game than what it actually is, a regular season game. you act as if great teams never lose to short handed teams, minus their best player. :roll:

FlashKing · Post #928 » by **FlashKing** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:39 pm

FlashKing wrote:
Lolo wrote:
FlashKing wrote:
Don't look too much into what occurred last night. Miami was playing on the 2nd night of a back-to-back after an overtime loss to it's in-State/Division rival. I'm sure there was some fatigue there.

Nice excuse. You do realize that the Heat just lost to a Bulls team minus Rose, Rip Hamilton and Lu Deng, CJ Watson at half strength, right? The Bulls had no business winning that game. Teams are starting to show what it takes to beat the Heat.... hit shots from the outside, and rebound, rebound, rebound. The Heat need a big dude in the middle to pull down some boards. I know Spo is mad at the effort level of the Heat, but I don't think that will be a problem come playoff time... the energy will be up. The problem will be rebounding.

Yes, lets ignore that it's the 2nd game of a back-to-back coming off an OT loss. clearly, that has no impact on a players body. clearly, Miami is the only team to ever lose to a team minus their superstar player.

If I remember correctly, the 72 win Bulls lost to a Miami team that had only 8 players suited up because of the trading deadline the day before. look at how it all turned out. typical Bulls fan to look more into a regular season game than what it actually is, a regular season game. you act as if great teams never lose to short handed teams, minus their best player.

The problem is when Derrick Rose comes back, they are going to rely on him to score the majority of the points which will impact the production from his teammates. look at what happened last year when the Miami D started suffocating Rose, his teammates struggled because they relied on him to produce their points. same thing will occur in May.

Heat_team02 · Post #929 » by **Heat_team02** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:41 pm

Meaningless Stats that I Put Together :wink:

Referees In Heat Losses

#32 Eddie Rush - 3 games (reffed last night's game)

#65 Sean Wright- 3 games (reffed last night's game)

#31 Scott Wall - 3 games (reffed last night's game)

#10 Ron Garretson - 2 games
#75 Eric Dalen - 2 games
#8 Mark Davis - 2 games
#60 James Williams - 2 games
#35 Kane Fitzgerald - 2 games

OtW · Post #930 » by **OtW** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:46 pm

It does not do us good to make assumptions about the reffing. :-/

FlashTheKilla · Post #931 » by **FlashTheKilla** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:47 pm

Would be very interesting to see that list since the beginning of the LeBron-Wade-Bosh era (playoffs included). Would also be interesting to see the lists with wins added as well.

Heat_team02 · Post #932 » by **Heat_team02** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:54 pm

OtW wrote:It does not do us good to make assumptions about the reffing. :-/

I'll start to if the same names keep popping up in big games especially in the playoffs. :wink:

To be fair, I researched even deeper and the only refs to not have reffed a Heat win this season are:

Eddie Rush
Sean Wright
Ron Garretson
Kane Fitzgerald

There are 10 different refs that have reffed 3 games where we won, 14 that reffed 2 games and 25 that reffed at least 1 win.

Edit

LOL!!! Took a look at last season also. Sean Wright has reffed 5 Heat losses in the last 2 seasons, more than any other ref followed by Ron Garretson & Kane Fitzgerald.

DWadeno3 · Post #933 » by **DWadeno3** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:15 pm

Just watched the game on my League Pass. It was pathetic to see us being outworked again. D-Wade and LeBron played well, but you can't win a game with only two players showing up, even if they're the best in the league. Tonight it showed how important rebounding, ball and man movement and proper execution on both ends of the floor are. While the Bulls, who were obviously extremely motivated and more rested than us, played pretty good team basketball, we did quite the opposite. In fact, we solely lived off of the individual greatness of D-Wade and LeBron while not being a team on both ends of the floor.

While it can happen that you run a lot of isolations with the superstars we have, you can't get stops when two or three guys are not committed to making the necessary effort defensively. Players like Chalmers, Battier, Cole, Haslem and Pittman need to earn their paychecks on that end because on offense, all they really have to do is set screens and hit open jumpers/layups. Unfortunately, none of them was really committed to defending well and working hard on that end, which is how the Bulls got all these open looks and second chance points, which ultimately killed us.

I'm not gonna lose sleep over this game because I understand the context it is, but after the Magic game, this is another really unnecessary loss.

Post #934 » by **Ice Man** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:46 pm

Pimpwerx wrote:We gave the Bulls a 17 point head start, essentially, and still made it a game. No Rose doesn't mean much since it's their defense that wins games.

LOL, the Bulls lost by 16 to Memphis without Rose, and lost at home to the Nets. They have exactly two quality wins without Rose. The other wins were against Wizards, Bobcats, Phoenix, etc.

Monarch · Post #935 » by **Monarch** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:49 pm

Ice Man wrote:
Pimpwerx wrote:We gave the Bulls a 17 point head start, essentially, and still made it a game. No Rose doesn't mean much since it's their defense that wins games.

LOL, the Bulls lost by 16 to Memphis without Rose, and lost at home to the Nets. They have exactly two quality wins without Rose. The other wins were against Wizards, Bobcats, Phoenix, etc.

But they did win those games, right?

TRWJINC · Post #936 » by **TRWJINC** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:43 am

To Heat Fans

Lebron and Wade were great last night. Lebron did they right thing in the 4th qtr giving wade the ball. He was hot.

youreachiteach · Post #937 » by **youreachiteach** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:18 am

You do know it's possible to post your thoughts without making yourself look like a complete douchebag. Consider this a warning for trolling.

Post #938 » by **DefenseWins** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:46 am

whoa someone wanted to let off some steam after a regular season win, damn.

OtW · Post #939 » by **OtW** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:26 pm

..lol. Damn. Who pissed in his corn flakes? So not only is our defense fake and flawed, but it relies on LBJ and Wade getting no calls from the refs? :lol:

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And Christina Bosh. Nice one. Remember that 1-18 game? Take a look back and see what he did the rest of that series.

HEAT111 · Post #940 » by **HEAT111** » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:28 pm

That guy must be a hardcore Bulls fan...oh well, I guess they're not going to beat the Nets in the playoffs lol.

Anyway, I keep on telling everyone that they're over-reacting. Our bench didn't play in their forte and Bosh also had another bad game. Shot selection wasn't great and Wade was 16-26. Heck, we were down by 16 points to lose the game by 6.

The first time the Heat played them, the Bulls were down by 12 until they came back and almost stole the game. They still lost...

We got two more meetings, I'd rather see James Jones and I hope Mike Miller gets a fast recovery. The difference about this year, we're playing with Norris Cole. He needs to be that Cleveland State guy. Everyone else were the same group that went againt Chicago in the ECF.

I'm new to RealGM by the way, glad to see great Heat fans here. I hope this does become a succussful season.