Wade's Sacrifice that is often unnoticed

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You gotta love a Wade homer and a LeBron homer arguing, especially when both are wrong.

A) Neither LeBron nor Bosh had to change their games dramatically. Maybe they both added to their games to become better overall players, but LeBron still handles the ball a lot on the perimeter and is able to create from there. Bosh still receives the ball in the midrange area in his favorite spots where he can either shot a midrange jumper or attack the basket facing his man, something he made he career out of in Toronto.

B) Wade can still receive the ball on the perimeter, call for a pick and run a pick and roll. Wade can still establish himself in the post all game long and demand the ball down there. Wade can still move well off the ball, something he did when Shaq was here too, and receive some easy bunnies off of people double-teaming James/Bosh. The problem is, and that's been mentioned several times, Wade CHOOSES not to. He rides excuses such as "No.6 is the no.1 option" or "Sometimes I have my legs, sometimes I don't" to coast. It's all a matter of effort and willingness to be great with him, nothing else.

So you can both rest your case, because you both talk non-sense. Nobody had to make a grand sacrifice. If you wanna be great, if you wanna dominate within this offense, especially this new option-less offense, all you gotta do is be aggressive, that's it. Do you think LeBron is not gonna pass the ball to D-Wade when he demands it? Do you think he's not gonna pass the ball to Bosh when he demands to it? Do you think anybody is gonna tell LeBron "Hey, you're supposed to sit in the post, don't dance around the perimeter", when that's been his biggest strength since he's been in the league? Do you think LeBron just added a post-game because he wanted to help our team and not because he wanted to become a better all-around player? I rest my case right here.

Arguing??? lol...and what "non-sense"? It was said that neither Lebron or Bosh adjusted their games with either change in style of play or development of a skill, so I countered with facts, period. I never used the words "dramatic change" or "grand sacrifice" at all...but it was significant.

You're talking a lot about things they "still do" rambling on "favorite spots" lol instead of acknowledging the changes and adjustments that were made...and thats the point, it's evolvement.

[DWadeno3]

You gotta love a Wade homer and a LeBron homer arguing, especially when both are wrong.

A) Neither LeBron nor Bosh had to change their games dramatically. Maybe they both added to their games to become better overall players, but LeBron still handles the ball a lot on the perimeter and is able to create from there. Bosh still receives the ball in the midrange area in his favorite spots where he can either shot a midrange jumper or attack the basket facing his man, something he made he career out of in Toronto.

B) Wade can still receive the ball on the perimeter, call for a pick and run a pick and roll. Wade can still establish himself in the post all game long and demand the ball down there. Wade can still move well off the ball, something he did when Shaq was here too, and receive some easy bunnies off of people double-teaming James/Bosh. The problem is, and that's been mentioned several times, Wade CHOOSES not to. He rides excuses such as "No.6 is the no.1 option" or "Sometimes I have my legs, sometimes I don't" to coast. It's all a matter of effort and willingness to be great with him, nothing else.

So you can both rest your case, because you both talk non-sense. Nobody had to make a grand sacrifice. If you wanna be great, if you wanna dominate within this offense, especially this new option-less offense, all you gotta do is be aggressive, that's it. Do you think LeBron is not gonna pass the ball to D-Wade when he demands it? Do you think he's not gonna pass the ball to Bosh when he demands to it? Do you think anybody is gonna tell LeBron "Hey, you're supposed to sit in the post, don't dance around the perimeter", when that's been his biggest strength since he's been in the league? Do you think LeBron just added a post-game because he wanted to help our team and not because he wanted to become a better all-around player? I rest my case right here.

Arguing??? lol...and what "non-sense"? It was said that neither Lebron or Bosh adjusted their games with either change in style of play or development of a skill, so I countered with facts, period. I never used the words "dramatic change" or "grand sacrifice" at all...but it was significant.

You're talking a lot about things they "still do" rambling on "favorite spots" lol instead of acknowledging the changes and adjustments that were made...and thats the point, it's evolvement.

This is what you said:

lol...If you really don't think Lebron or Bosh adapted their games for the team by an added skill or change in style of play then I have no words...so disrespectful.

Regarding Bosh, I don't see much of a difference between Bosh in Toronto and Bosh now. He's still a face-up PF with a great midrange shot, great first-step and very good touch. The only problem he had in the beginning is receiving the ball in his comfort zones on the court, something we've established over the past two years, so I don't see how he has adapted his game more so than the Heat have adapted their system to his strengths.

Regarding LeBron, he certainly added a post-game but mainly because he wanted to become a better overall player. You've said it yourself, you barely see him in the post this season and our offense works fine, so it's not as if he had to do it for our offense to work, but mainly just to become a more polished all-around player and a more dangerous weapon. It certainly helps our team, but he didn't have to do it for the team to work. LeBron still has the ball on the perimeter a lot and initiates the offense, which is an adjustment the team made for him to be more comfortable.

@flashwade33:

Wade could do whatever the hell he wants himself, he's just too lazy and complacent to be a consistent force. Look at these highlights and tells me how this isn't how Wade has always played:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1fMu00Klbc[/youtube]

I see a ton of situations with a screen on the wing or at the top where he can go to work. The difference is, here you see smart drives to the basket, not even explosive, just smart. Against New York, it was just driving into a brick wall and throwing up stupid shots while shooting flat midrange jumpers.

[flashwade33]

You gotta love a Wade homer and a LeBron homer arguing, especially when both are wrong.

A) Neither LeBron nor Bosh had to change their games dramatically. Maybe they both added to their games to become better overall players, but LeBron still handles the ball a lot on the perimeter and is able to create from there. Bosh still receives the ball in the midrange area in his favorite spots where he can either shot a midrange jumper or attack the basket facing his man, something he made he career out of in Toronto.

B) Wade can still receive the ball on the perimeter, call for a pick and run a pick and roll. Wade can still establish himself in the post all game long and demand the ball down there. Wade can still move well off the ball, something he did when Shaq was here too, and receive some easy bunnies off of people double-teaming James/Bosh. The problem is, and that's been mentioned several times, Wade CHOOSES not to. He rides excuses such as "No.6 is the no.1 option" or "Sometimes I have my legs, sometimes I don't" to coast. It's all a matter of effort and willingness to be great with him, nothing else.

So you can both rest your case, because you both talk non-sense. Nobody had to make a grand sacrifice. If you wanna be great, if you wanna dominate within this offense, especially this new option-less offense, all you gotta do is be aggressive, that's it. Do you think LeBron is not gonna pass the ball to D-Wade when he demands it? Do you think he's not gonna pass the ball to Bosh when he demands to it? Do you think anybody is gonna tell LeBron "Hey, you're supposed to sit in the post, don't dance around the perimeter", when that's been his biggest strength since he's been in the league? Do you think LeBron just added a post-game because he wanted to help our team and not because he wanted to become a better all-around player? I rest my case right here.

Regarding Bosh, I don't see much of a difference between Bosh in Toronto and Bosh now. He's still a face-up PF with a great midrange shot, great first-step and very good touch. The only problem he had in the beginning is receiving the ball in his comfort zones on the court, something we've established over the past two years, so I don't see how he has adapted his game more so than the Heat have adapted their system to his strengths.

Regarding LeBron, he certainly added a post-game but mainly because he wanted to become a better overall player. You've said it yourself, you barely see him in the post this season and our offense works fine, so it's not as if he had to do it for our offense to work, but mainly just to become a more polished all-around player and a more dangerous weapon. It certainly helps our team, but he didn't have to do it for the team to work. LeBron still has the ball on the perimeter a lot and initiates the offense, which is an adjustment the team made for him to be more comfortable.

I can't disagree with you, great points overall. But I never said Bosh and Lebron did not add a skill in their games, I just said Bosh and Lebron pretty much play the same except the post-game for Lebron and defending C's for Bosh.

I just don't think Wade can just go into the post and demand the ball, it's not how our system works. It would disrupt the flow of our team. Is he being lazy? Yes, definitely, and it's frustrating. But, we choose to use Lebron in the post, and Lebron in the pick and roll, most of the time. It's definitely not bad for the team, Lebron is by far the best NBA player right now, but it's bad FOR Wade.

And I am not a Wade "homer", I was his fan since his Marquette days, but I certainly know that Lebron is right now the MUCH better player.

@flashwade33:

Wade could do whatever the hell he wants himself, he's just too lazy and complacent to be a consistent force. Look at these highlights and tells me how this isn't how Wade has always played:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1fMu00Klbc[/youtube]

I see a ton of situations with a screen on the wing or at the top where he can go to work. The difference is, here you see smart drives to the basket, not even explosive, just smart. Against New York, it was just driving into a brick wall and throwing up stupid shots while shooting flat midrange jumpers.

Yes, this certainly looks like the old Wade, but because he started off hot, our team gave him more touches and more opportunities to play like himself imo.

[LeChosen1]

^Bosh isnt playing Center any different then he played PF, soo he hasnt had to change much, and Its not like Bosh has had a hard time guarding anybody, Nobody on the heat play defense. Lebron hasnt had to change anything either as he still has the ball in his hands majority of time and has pick and rolls and post ups called for him, while Wade is left in iso which he is not as good at it this year. Wade should be in the post more than Lebron because he is more effective and can be more productive

lol...If you really don't think Lebron or Bosh adapted their games for the team by an added skill or change in style of play then I have no words...so disrespectful.

Lebron is more effective in the post than Wade and this was clearly demonstrated in the 2012 Finals. Lebron's court vision, ability to dissect the double team, strength, and size allows him to operate in the post in a way that Wade cannot, simple as that. On the other hand, Wade has better footwork, and is more comfortable with his back to the basket which is great too. So far this season Lebron is not in the post much at all, he's spending a lot of his time on the perimeter jump shooting as evident by a career low in FTA, so Wade not going into the post has nothing to do with Lebron being there.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9JLI7UI16Q[/youtube]

All your Videos showed me is Lebron has the ball in his hands 90% of the time now

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@DWadeno3
You're basically saying the HEAT have "created a system" for Lebron and Bosh to flourish as opposed to the actual players making adjustments/improvements in their respective game/role in order for the system to function as it does...so we'll just have to agree to disagree there man.

Yes, this certainly looks like the old Wade, but because he started off hot, our team gave him more touches and more opportunities to play like himself imo.

Lebron James 27.5 USG 18.7 FGA

Dwyane Wade 25.9 USG 15.7 FGA

Chris Bosh 20.6 USG 12.5 FGA

Wade has a higher useage than Bosh and he's also getting more FGA's...his opportunities aren't as limited as you're making them out to be.

@LeChosen1 your posts are kind of weak lol, you don't really make much of a debate to credit/support any of your statements, you just kind of blabble so ill pass.

[jona187]

@DWadeno3
You're basically saying the HEAT have "created a system" for Lebron and Bosh to flourish as opposed to the actual players making adjustments/improvements in their respective game/role in order for the system to function as it does...so we'll just have to agree to disagree there man.

Yes, this certainly looks like the old Wade, but because he started off hot, our team gave him more touches and more opportunities to play like himself imo.

Lebron James 27.5 USG 18.7 FGA

Dwyane Wade 25.9 USG 15.7 FGA

Chris Bosh 20.6 USG 12.5 FGA

Wade has a higher useage than Bosh and he's also getting more FGA's...his opportunities aren't as limited as you're making them out to be.

@LeChosen1 your posts are kind of weak lol, you don't really make much of a debate to credit/support any of your statements, you just kind of blabble so ill pass.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2013.html

+1

[flashwade33]

Lol. Straw man. I didn't say Wade doesn't get enough FGAs.

Usage rate is not a good measure of ball dominancy. Just look at Steve Nash. Wade is taking shots, I am NOT saying he is not taking shots, never said that. I said our team gave him more opportunities to play like old Wade in the Nets game.

It's just that he usually takes shots on the situations he does not excel at.

[WhatRickyThinks]

whenever he misses a layup and yells at the officials while slowly getting up and jogs back in transition D with his man draining a corner 3 - i think of the sacrifices he's had to make.

- wisely spoken by Rajon Rando as a major Heat weakness and STILL Wade continues doing it.

[ultratropical24]

Wade is one of the most underappreciated players of all time, even on his own team. The trade proposals and negativity in general involving Wade you hear from these so called "Heat fans" are just utterly ridiculous. 99% of them are just LeBron nut huggers anyway and not true Heat fans. Heat fans do not deserve a player like Wade. Even sometimes as a Heat fan, I just wish Wade was never drafted by Miami because I feel he deserves to go a team that appreciates him more and what he did for the franchaise.

[TheDon008]

Wade is one of the most underappreciated players of all time, even on his own team. The trade proposals and negativity in general involving Wade you hear from these so called "Heat fans" are just utterly ridiculous. 99% of them are just LeBron nut huggers anyway and not true Heat fans. Heat fans do not deserve a player like Wade. Even sometimes as a Heat fan, I just wish Wade was never drafted by Miami because I feel he deserves to go a team that appreciates him more and what he did for the franchaise.

Was enjoying this until you said you wish he wasnt drafted by MIami.

Sure Miami has $hitty fans, and this board if filled with them, but For the Good Heat fans, I cant picture wade in any other uni.

[DWadeno3]

Look at that, Wade was motivated and scored 26 on 9/12 shooting in 32 minutes. If his jumper looked as good in the Knicks game as it did against New Orleans, he wouldn't have had a problem scoring 25+ against New York. It's all a matter of motivation and putting the necessary pregame work in.

[GameTime_3]

Wade has sacrificed....But the biggest thing he has done is....caring...

3 easy examples;

-D-Wade shoots or drives.... opponents gets ball(9 out of 10 times) Wade will be the last player to cross half court and point at his man for someone to cover them till he gets over.

-Wade drives and some contact is there.....Will turn to the nearest REF and fight the call to the point that the other team is on the other side of the court shooting.

-After the no call watch him the next play..He will come up and either throw up a bad shot or shoot a fade away.

[Chosen01]

Of course it's all about motivation and effort for Wade. The Brooklyn game basically cemented that in my head, I've said it time and time again, many people seem to want Wade to be done or decline for their own agenda/narrative. Since he's come into the league, dude was never supposed to be this good or get his due recognition.

Any time he has a fabulous game it's brushed under the seats like it never happened but the minute or even second he plays poorly it's "Wade is done" or no longer an elite player. Funny enough you'd think hes averaging like 14 4 and 4 on 43%shooting yet the guy is averaging like 20 5 and 4 on 49% shooting 55% TS with absolutely horrendous games in the 15 game stretch and taking only 15 shots a game. When you add to the fact that he always starts slow, the talks of being done are ridiculous.

Wade doesn't have the jumper Kobe or MJ had, he still needs to improve that but as we saw in last night's game
and what happens when he's confident in his jumper. Also, his elite ball handling ability and his first step is still there (may not be as fast but is still too quick to react to). He was basically getting to the rim at will and aggressive, that confirmed to me how lazy Wade has been in his poor games.

[MarvAlbert'sTwin]

IMO Wade's effort level on defense is the key to the Heat's success. His energy seems to permeate through to the entire team, even moreso than Lebron's (who brings it every game for the most part). When Wade plays with focus and energy the Heat are a completely different team. It also seems to set the tone for a more aggressive, attacking style of offense that leads to easy buckets and trips to the FT line. We've seen flashes of vintage Wade this year and it's no coincidence that his defensive energy was high during those games.