Mosgov

[HeatDaChamps]

Before I get killed, im just putting the idea out there. And im sure you guys have thought about it. Our rebounding problems, lack of size, etc have been well documented. Mosgov, EVEN THOUGH, hes not an all star or an AMAZING center, could be serviceable for us. Just providing some size and rebounding. He is ON THE MARKET, according to realgm. I want all the trade scenarios...

Personally I would do Norris cole, James jones and MAYBE a pick for Mosgov. Anybody?

[RexBoyWonder]

No way im giving up Cole + JJ + draft pick for that guy. he showed nothing to make us believe he's worth all that.

He has size, that's the only thing we know for sure. his stats doesn't show he's a great rebounder and im not sure if he can defend, altough he seem to be a good shot blocker.

He might turn out decent with more playing time, so id like to take a chance on him. but Cole and a pick is overpaying for an unproven guy.

[Laazard]

My post from trades' thread:
"
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... fey_Mozgov

Mozgov + trash for James Jones, and Philly pick. Denver needs reliable 3pt shoohing and won't get anything better for TM.

And we could really use this guy... "

I think Denver would do this.

Mozgov is a little slow and rusty-all-the-time with questionable awarness(he gets 6 fouls frequently) but he can finish at rims, he can give some paint protecion and he can set nice picks. He is PERECT for 20-30 minuts on team like ours.

Pat, please, do it.

[RexBoyWonder]

We need that draft pick, we have to start adding young cheap players.

We should only do this trade if Denver sends Mozgov for JJ and Cole. the numbers work, it's fair enough for a player the'll lose after this season. Then we'll have to replace Cole with someone because god knows we cant' count on Mario. Maybe Jeremy pargo as a backup.

[HeatDaChamps]

We need that draft pick, we have to start adding young cheap players.

We should only do this trade if Denver sends Mozgov for JJ and Cole. the numbers work, it's fair enough for a player the'll lose after this season. Then we'll have to replace Cole with someone because god knows we cant' count on Mario. Maybe Jeremy pargo as a backup.

ok so you're just not ready to give up the pick? fair enough, but in terms of Cole. I love him, hes a young player that we've developed. But hes rly the only valuable thing we have outside of the pick. And denvers not going to do a trade with us unless Cole is involved. This is an nba trade, you have to give up someone good to get anything in value. Trading pittman and rashard lewis is not going to cut it.

Mozgov, (sorry for misspelling his name in the thread) is unproven and raw but i think we can develop him. He got size, and ive seen him do a few good things with the Knicks. Denver wont play him cuz they have too many bigs but i think with playing time, he could be solid for us.

[HeatDaChamps]

My post from trades' thread:
"
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... fey_Mozgov

Mozgov + trash for James Jones, and Philly pick. Denver needs reliable 3pt shoohing and won't get anything better for TM.

And we could really use this guy... "

I think Denver would do this.

Mozgov is a little slow and rusty-all-the-time with questionable awarness(he gets 6 fouls frequently) but he can finish at rims, he can give some paint protecion and he can set nice picks. He is PERECT for 20-30 minuts on team like ours.

Pat, please, do it.

you forgot the problem, Mozgov + trash for James Jones doesnt work. The money doesnt work. Mozgov is making 3 mil dollars this year, JJ is making 1.4 or something. If you add Mozgov AND someone else (trash) the money will not even be close. We have to add Norris to make Denver do the trade and for the money to work. You could replace cole with Lewis and the money would work but I doubt they want Rashard Lewis.

[Laazard]

According to hh JJ is making smth like 3,5 mil.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm

And Rex, you want to add young cheap players and at the same time pack Norris? I so no logic here tbh.

Draft can be either lucky or unlucky and in our situation we can't have next project that will never be ready. We have to max our potential in these next 3-4 years and then think about future.

[HeatDaChamps]

According to hh JJ is making smth like 3,5 mil.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm

And Rex, you want to add young cheap players and at the same time pack Norris? I so no logic here tbh.

Draft can be either lucky or unlucky and in our situation we can't have next project that will never be ready. We have to max our potential in these next 3-4 years and then think about future.

yeah now im confused....sites telling me different things

Edit: So according to this James Jones is making 1.5 mil THIS YEAR but has buyout money left from his previous contract. That makes sense, i dont think that buyout money counts when u trade him though.

Source: http://www.hoopsworld.com/miami-heat-team-salary/

[RexBoyWonder]

JJ is making 1.5mil this year.

The reason im willing to give up Cole but not the Philly pick is that Cole is not showing any sighs he's devloping into a starting PG in this league, and a backup PG is the easiest role to fill in the NBA. Sadly, Cole just isn't that good and isn't going to get much better.

Add the fact that a decent big is a bigger need for this team then a backup PG for this year, and while Cole will still be on his rookie contract for 2 extra years after this one, the Philly pick will most likely net us a cheap big for 4 years. Cole was the #28 pick and he's not overachieving or clicking here particularly well, the Philly pick is likely to be in the 15-18 range.

[HeatDaChamps]

JJ is making 1.5mil this year.

The reason im willing to give up Cole but not the Philly pick is that Cole is not showing any sighs he's devloping into a starting PG in this league, and a backup PG is the easiest role to fill in the NBA. Sadly, Cole just isn't that good and isn't going to get much better.

Add the fact that a decent big is a bigger need for this team then a backup PG for this year, and while Cole will still be on his rookie contract for 2 extra years after this one, the Philly pick will most likely net us a cheap big for 4 years. Cole was the #28 pick and he's not overachieving or clicking here particularly well, the Philly pick is likely to be in the 15-18 range.

that is if they make the playoffs tho right? i forgot, what if they dont make the playoffs this or the next year?

[Ratchet_Rio]

You can't understate Cole's defense, he may not be a great player but he's a great fit for this team in terms of what he does on that side of the court. And JJ is just as much an embodiment of Miami as UD, no way am I trading him for Mosgov. What we have now is what we're rolling with, Riley and those guys need to do a better job of drafting bigs that may actually contribute.

[HeatDaChamps]

You can't understate Cole's defense, he may not be a great player but he's a great fit for this team in terms of what he does on that side of the court. And JJ is just as much an embodiment of Miami as UD, no way am I trading him for Mosgov. What we have now is what we're rolling with, Riley and those guys need to do a better job of drafting bigs that may actually contribute.

embodiment of miami but he doesnt play....im rly tired of that ****. No offense, he doesnt play, he doesnt produce, HES USELESS. i dont care if he embodies JESUS! he doesnt do anything...i would trade James Jones for Mozgov in a millisecond. But yes, Norris I would have to think about.

[Ratchet_Rio]

You can't understate Cole's defense, he may not be a great player but he's a great fit for this team in terms of what he does on that side of the court. And JJ is just as much an embodiment of Miami as UD, no way am I trading him for Mosgov. What we have now is what we're rolling with, Riley and those guys need to do a better job of drafting bigs that may actually contribute.

embodiment of miami but he doesnt play....im rly tired of that ****. No offense, he doesnt play, he doesnt produce, HES USELESS. i dont care if he embodies JESUS! he doesnt do anything...i would trade James Jones for Mozgov in a millisecond. But yes, Norris I would have to think about.

It's funny folks would be ready to jump off the ledge if Haslem and his 3.5 ppg were mentioned in a trade. There's a reason JJ is on this team. He knows his minutes will be few and far in between, but he understands as a professional his job is to be ready at a moments notice. How soon we forget his 25 point barrage against Boston in the playoffs. He's not going anywhere, you want a serviceable big? Draft one. Most of you would sell your own mother out if it meant winning, my goodness

[Heats_Finest]

According to hh JJ is making smth like 3,5 mil.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami.htm

And Rex, you want to add young cheap players and at the same time pack Norris? I so no logic here tbh.

Draft can be either lucky or unlucky and in our situation we can't have next project that will never be ready. We have to max our potential in these next 3-4 years and then think about future.

yeah now im confused....sites telling me different things

The reason it says that is because back when we originally signed James Jones the first time we signed him to a deal roughly worth 3m for multiple years, and back when we signed the big 3 he was still on that contract. But because he's a decent guy we worked out a buy out with him so that we had max cap space to sign other guys. So whilst it was off the cap, we still owed him money for the years his contract was to run.

Bad signing originally by Pat Riley, not sure why he signed a less than average player to a deal that went over the period that we wanted max cap space.

[HeatDaChamps]

You can't understate Cole's defense, he may not be a great player but he's a great fit for this team in terms of what he does on that side of the court. And JJ is just as much an embodiment of Miami as UD, no way am I trading him for Mosgov. What we have now is what we're rolling with, Riley and those guys need to do a better job of drafting bigs that may actually contribute.

embodiment of miami but he doesnt play....im rly tired of that ****. No offense, he doesnt play, he doesnt produce, HES USELESS. i dont care if he embodies JESUS! he doesnt do anything...i would trade James Jones for Mozgov in a millisecond. But yes, Norris I would have to think about.

It's funny folks would be ready to jump off the ledge if Haslem and his 3.5 ppg were mentioned in a trade. There's a reason JJ is on this team. He knows his minutes will be few and far in between, but he understands as a professional his job is to be ready at a moments notice. How soon we forget his 25 point barrage against Boston in the playoffs. He's not going anywhere, you want a serviceable big? Draft one. Most of you would sell your own mother out if it meant winning, my goodness

i actually wouldnt sell my own mother if it meant winning, but thats a story for another day. Actually, i wouldnt mind if UD got traded. To be completely honest, he hasnt produced consistently either. But he does more than James Jones. Who never plays....Draft one? yeah i like that idea, problem is we're talking about THIS YEAR, u know we cant lose. Its the heat, we're not allowed to lose.

[Lord Leoshes]

One of the worst addictions around is gambling, people have, lost their jobs, wife, family, & gone homeless for the tinny chance at winning.
Why do you think that so many people play the lotto, even though the true winners are the government?
Its an addiction for week minded people.

If we are not in the top 10, then trade that pick for a proven veteran player, not take a risk on what could be.

Now lets see if Pat trades it now, or on draft night.

[Lord Hades]

His RFA status at the end of the season gives me pause about what should be offered. A few teams seem interested in trading for him now. I don't imagine that'll change too much (possibly even increase) after the playoffs. Granted, I don't expect full blown bidding wars, but our cap situation is going to limit how much we pony up. Plus, it's not like other interested teams with more flexibility wouldn't place a little premium on an offer sheet just to screw us.

[RexBoyWonder]

^ if you think drafting is gambling, im glad you're not our GM because we would have passed on drafting Wade for Peja Stojakovic..he was a sure thing back then.

You can't understate Cole's defense, he may not be a great player but he's a great fit for this team in terms of what he does on that side of the court. And JJ is just as much an embodiment of Miami as UD, no way am I trading him for Mosgov. What we have now is what we're rolling with, Riley and those guys need to do a better job of drafting bigs that may actually contribute.

embodiment of miami but he doesnt play....im rly tired of that ****. No offense, he doesnt play, he doesnt produce, HES USELESS. i dont care if he embodies JESUS! he doesnt do anything...i would trade James Jones for Mozgov in a millisecond. But yes, Norris I would have to think about.

It's funny folks would be ready to jump off the ledge if Haslem and his 3.5 ppg were mentioned in a trade. There's a reason JJ is on this team. He knows his minutes will be few and far in between, but he understands as a professional his job is to be ready at a moments notice. How soon we forget his 25 point barrage against Boston in the playoffs. He's not going anywhere, you want a serviceable big? Draft one. Most of you would sell your own mother out if it meant winning, my goodness

My godnees, give me a break with this ridiculous holier than the pope act. Like trading JJ is some sinister ungodly act that shatters the moral fabric of the human race. he's a good guy, we all like him. he's not playing and he'll still get his money. He's not Wade and he's not even UD..if we need to trade him in order to fix a big hole that would make us a better team...we do it. This is a professional team.