Small-Ball, did we see enough?

[EscapoTHB]

We offered a spot to Blatche, he chose otherwise.

He said he felt like Brooklyn wanted him more and made him more comfortable with his role, while Spo probably snubbed him him. like he we were doing him a favor in taking him for Vet Min money.

Again.. you guys know spo doesn't sign players?

If haslem is starting he has to rebound better than lebron. Like tonight. His whole job on this team is to rebound. He needs to get to work. Same with bosh. Bosh should never get less than 8 boards. He is a proven Nba rebounder.

Guys just need to do their job. We don't need to be anything but middle of the pack on rebounding. Not asking much.

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[caliban]

Who's to blame for Miami's rebound woes?
Haberstroh By Tom Haberstroh
ESPN.com

...But the interesting thing is that Haslem's promotion has had the opposite effect on the Heat. Since Haslem entered the starting lineup, the Heat have ranked 24th in rebound rate. Before then: 21st.

Dig deeper and the issue becomes clear: The Heat's "big" starting lineup has gotten crushed on the boards. The five-man unit with Haslem next to Mario Chalmers and the Big Three has played 189 minutes together this season, which ranks 26th in the league, according to NBA.com's advanced stats tool. Among the top 30 five-man units with the most minutes in the NBA, that Chalmers-Wade-James-Haslem-Bosh lineup ranks 28th in rebound rate, grabbing just 45.5 percent of all available rebounds. A 45.5 percent rebounding rate would rank last in the NBA behind the Dallas Mavericks.

And it gets worse: That lineup gives up 19.3 second-chance points every 48 minutes -- easily the highest rate among those 30 lineups. It's actually the highest rate of any of the top 50 teams in minutes.

You want to know which lineup ranks 17th in rebounding among those 30 most common lineups?

The Heat's "small" starting lineup with Battier. Yes, better than the Haslem lineup.

How can this be?...

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/16518/whos-to-blame-for-miamis-rebound-woes

[Zasterror]

^ I hope Spo is taking notice to this.

[HeatFanSince87]

Again out-rbounded by 20+ tonight.

Wondering what the fan base think about Spo's constant small ball.

I think we should dump it, and only use it very very limited minutes.

Rotation should be more like :

Rio/Cole
Wade/Allen
LBJ/Battier
Bosh/Kenyon Martin
_____/Jorts/Joel

Enough with Bosh at Center, Enough with Battier at PF, Enough with Miller and Haslem as rotation players.
We still need to find a big body to start at Center (Dalembert? Andersen?) but even if we can't get one, play a god damn Center. the best we've got.

Yes, I am sick of it. It worked in the Finals because these guys were so close, they played with abnormal desire. And, it can work in stretches...but damn it already, get a BIG in there!

[EscapoTHB]

^ I hope Spo is taking notice to this.

I'm sure he notices. But its a small sample size and what other option does he have? Haslem is supposed to be our best rebounder. He could start Joel but Joel doesn't rebound. What other option does he have?

Its up to Riley to find someone to do the job haslem is supposed to do now.

Putting haslem and Joel in the rotation fixed the defense by the way.

Spo is experimenting. Which is what the great ones do. Spo is a Stat geek. He has all the numbers you guys do and more. But you have to give things a chance before you abandon them otherwise you hurt team chemistry.

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[Chaos Engine]

Bosh at center isn't terrible, its Bosh at center with Battier or Haslem as his PF. That's what's killing the heat rebounding wise.

[EscapoTHB]

Bosh at center isn't terrible, its Bosh at center with Battier or Haslem as his PF. That's what's killing the heat rebounding wise.

Who else do we have that better addresses rebounding than haslem?

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[RexBoyWonder]

Bosh at center isn't terrible, its Bosh at center with Battier or Haslem as his PF. That's what's killing the heat rebounding wise.

Who else do we have that better addresses rebounding than haslem?

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The Birdman and Martin, Hopefully. (But even Joel is better)

[Pimpwerx]

Bosh at center isn't terrible, its Bosh at center with Battier or Haslem as his PF. That's what's killing the heat rebounding wise.

Who else do we have that better addresses rebounding than haslem?

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The Birdman and Martin, Hopefully. (But even Joel is better)

No, Joel isn't better at rebounding than Haslem. That's insane to say. And neither Birdman not KMart are on the team. In addition to that, there's a strong chance no one we sign will play in the championship rounds, so the issues with rebounding will have to be solved by our current rotation. Fortunately, they've proven they can rebound in the past, so it's just about summoning that same effort again. PEACE.

[Slot Machine]

No, Joel isn't better at rebounding than Haslem. That's insane to say. And neither Birdman not KMart are on the team. In addition to that, there's a strong chance no one we sign will play in the championship rounds, so the issues with rebounding will have to be solved by our current rotation. Fortunately, they've proven they can rebound in the past, so it's just about summoning that same effort again. PEACE.

With Joel on the court we grab 50.1% of available rebounds. With Haslem on the court we grab 47.9% of available rebounds.

[SweetTouch]

So how does that mean Joel is a better rebounder than UD?
Wouldn't that depend on who they are surrounded with?

[Slot Machine]

So how does that mean Joel is a better rebounder than UD?
Wouldn't that depend on who they are surrounded with?

UD plays with the starters who are better rebounders than the bench squad Joel usually plays with.

[cb1]

[SweetTouch]

Guess Bosh should count his **** rebounds tonight

[Mutnt]

C: Joel
PF: Haslem
SF: Bosh
SG: LeBron
PG: Wade

NO WAY WE GETTIN' OUTREBOUNDED THIS WAY, AIN'T THAT RIGHT SPOEY:3

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

Small ball works better in the playoffs because the guys only have to do it well enough 4 times in a series. Plenty rest between series too.

But regular season + playoffs is tough.

[RexBoyWonder]

Here’s the problem for Miami, as I see it: Their margin for error is a much less than those Bulls teams or the Laker teams of Kobe (Bryant) and Shaq (Shaquille O’Neal),” Kerr said. “And the reason is they’re small, they have to make 3s and they don’t rebound — and so on nights when things aren’t clicking, they are very vulnerable. For them to win, they have to play with high activity defensively, they’ve got to be flying around, and on nights when the shots aren’t going and they are a step slow, they are way more vulnerable than, say, our teams in Chicago or the Lakers of the early 2000s.”

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/sport ... -as/nTwDc/

good article

[sutrick]

Last year in the playoffs small ball worked but remember we played Boston and OKC. Boston can't rebound at all when KG is on the bench for his 16 + minutes and even with KG they are not a strong rebounding team. OKC screwed up by playing Perkins, who rebounds OK but has no offensive abilities. Small ball actually exposed OKC and they continue to be the team we match up best against in the West ( Clipps, SA and Memphis being other legitimate contenders).

Any team with good rebounding bigs that have some offensive skill and wing defenders that don't excessively turn the ball over will be an issue for the Heat. And since Miami will have only the mini-MLE for the foreseeable future the likelihood of getting someone who can rebound and is quick enough to play some defense is relatively small. If this roster can't win again this year, then it probably won't win again with this roster. That's when Riley will have to find a way to convert Bosh into multiple talented players.

[DWadeno3]

Interesting statement by PJ Carlesimo regarding this topic:

P.J. Carlesimo is not sold on the NBA’s growing trend toward small ball lineups.

“To me, big teams are still the teams that are winning in this league,” Carlesimo said. “Miami is the exception. But Oklahoma City was the other team that made it to the Finals. Boston when they were in. San Antonio when they were in. I know everybody is saying that’s the way the league is going and that’s the way with the match ups. But to me, if you still look at the elite teams in the league, particularly the elite defensive teams, most of them are playing with a 4 and a 5. Most of them are big and they wail on you. Most of them are good defensively and they’re a very good rebounding team."

Carlesimo has started Reggie Evans at power forward for the last 13 games -- a stretch during which the Nets have gone 10-3.

“I still think that’s the way to go in this league,” Carlesimo said. “No one likes having to defend against Miami, but Miami would like to be bigger themselves. I don’t think they said we’re going stay small so nobody else can do that. If they can get another big to go with [Chris] Bosh and LeBron [James], they’d welcome it.”

Got it from the Wiretap.

[HeatGuyInChicago]

I would like to see the Miami Heat develop their big men. If they are not good enough to play, then why have them? I thought it was crazy to throw Pittman out there without much regular season experience last year. San Antonio does a good job of developing the lower end of their bench.