2014 Draft = Possible Extended Title Window?

[nbhadja]

What ever happens, Heat should just trade them. Heat aren't good at drafting players....

Mario Chalmers, Norris Cole have worked out for this team.

Cole is pretty mediocre...and failed to address our main need of a center. After Wade, it's very slim pickings. Riley is a poor drafter. The fact that he picked Cole over Chandler Parsons is crazy especially with the whole interchangeable parts mantra they keep talking about. There is no need for a traditional PG on this team. Why force it? A line up of Lebron, Wade, Parsons, Bosh, Andersen would have been scary.

As for Chalmers, he is an average role player at a position we don't even need.To make it worse Chalmers was the 34th pick of the draft. DeAndre Jordan was the 35th, Ömer Aşık the 36th pick....oh and Nikola Peković was the 31st pick....that we traded away to Minny. Riley is inept at drafting. Watch us draft another PG in this draft

[This IsMy House]

What ever happens, Heat should just trade them. Heat aren't good at drafting players....

Mario Chalmers, Norris Cole have worked out for this team.

Cole is pretty mediocre...and failed to address our main need of a center. After Wade, it's very slim pickings. Riley is a poor drafter. The fact that he picked Cole over Chandler Parsons is crazy especially with the whole interchangeable parts mantra they keep talking about. There is no need for a traditional PG on this team. Why force it? A line up of Lebron, Wade, Parsons, Bosh, Andersen would have been scary.

As for Chalmers, he is an average role player at a position we don't even need.To make it worse Chalmers was the 34th pick of the draft. DeAndre Jordan was the 35th, Ömer Aşık the 36th pick....oh and Nikola Peković was the 31st pick....that we traded away to Minny. Riley is inept at drafting. Watch us draft another PG in this draft

In regards to the Chalmers thing, all of those players wouldve wanted way more money to sign thus causing the Big 3 situation to become a lot harder. Chalmers knows his role and knows he wont make as much as he should, but he wants to win.

Cole also wasnt drafted by Riley, he was drafted by the Bulls and traded to Miami. Yes getting Parsons wouldve been good, but Cole has had some great moments for Miami that really go unnoticed.

[Lord Leoshes]

Anyone who doesn't think we suck at scouting, young talent, & Drafting college players are( r e t a r d e d ) or in denial.
& I am not even going to start talking about our URO scouting. Murasep/Danilovic

[narmerguy]

I would say that Miami is at about average as far as drafting abilities goes, which is quite low in this league. A team that is good at drafting would have to be good at using the same information as other teams but discerning true value for misleading value. Only a few teams are good at that, or otherwise it wouldn't be a "novel" pick. I'd say we're pretty damn good at signing free agents, and I'd honestly rather be good at that than drafting. With our drafting position, most of the time it simply doesn't matter that much. For example, there was no one as good as Chris Anderson for us to draft, but we definitely needed a center.

[DayofMourning]

edit: it's weird to not give credit to Miami for drafting Wade with a high pick, but then fault them for not finding good players with low picks.

It's easy to make up words that I didnt say. What I said was clear, when you have a top 5 pick, especially in a draft as top heavy as '03, you expect to walk away with an impact player. Nobody's giving Cleveland or Denver a pat on the back for drafting LeBron and Carmelo. A poster said this team doesn't draft well, and if we're talking drafting, cultivating, and retaining players, then I'd say that poster is correct. You dont have to agree

As far as Simien being drafted too late to 'expect' anything from, here's some players who were drafted after him:
David Lee, Brandon Bass, Cj Miles, Ronny Turiaf, Monta Ellis, Lou Williams, Andray Blatche, Amir Johnson, Marcin Gortat. but again, everyones entitled to an opinion.

It's been said countless times before, but that draft was considered as having a big four at the top. Wade was nobody's consensus 5th pick. Names that stood out to me as being drafted by the Heat were Kaman, Hinrich, and most commonly so,.......Maciej Lampe. Drafting Wade was one of the smartest draft decisions of the past 25 years. He completely outperformed any expectations placed upon him. Great, great, great pick.

On the other hand, Beasley is a big time flop. I was sure he'd be a very productive player, and he would have been my choice as number one, had we had that pick instead. Looking back, it would have been Kevin Love in his place.

[DayofMourning]

Cole is pretty mediocre...and failed to address our main need of a center. After Wade, it's very slim pickings. Riley is a poor drafter. The fact that he picked Cole over Chandler Parsons is crazy especially with the whole interchangeable parts mantra they keep talking about. There is no need for a traditional PG on this team. Why force it? A line up of Lebron, Wade, Parsons, Bosh, Andersen would have been scary.

As for Chalmers, he is an average role player at a position we don't even need.To make it worse Chalmers was the 34th pick of the draft. DeAndre Jordan was the 35th, Ömer Aşık the 36th pick....oh and Nikola Peković was the 31st pick....that we traded away to Minny. Riley is inept at drafting. Watch us draft another PG in this draft

Cole is fantastic defensively. That elevates a player well above mediocre. He has been progressing in offense, and its good to see him get tested these past couple games. He was actually superb in the first half vs the Knicks, but didn't do much in the second. But that's the way it goes sometimes with players who haven't sniffed that level of responsibility since coming into the league because of the talent on their team. He needs to fail in order to get better. But once again, he's fantastic defensively. An all-NBA performer in that realm.

Chalmers has a penchant for making the right plays when the games actually matter, i.e. last year's playoffs. He has proven to be a clutch performer and has a great belief in himself. He also fits the mold of the point guard Miami needs. His biggest issue in my opinion, is that he's not great moving laterally, therefore he can be beaten fairly often. However, he can create fast breaks and easy points consistently for this team, and he won't back down from any challenge. He's a favorite of mine in that regard.

[FlashFlare]

Cole is great defensively and don't forget that boost he gave us in last year's finals when we were down big. He's improved his three ball as well this season.

[wallsfamily]

Guys good drafting late is to find role players that will compliment the stars. We have done that and will continue. I think 2014 will get some bodies and exchange 5 mill contracts for 1.5 mill. + what better group of stars to train kids than the big 3!!!!

[GoodSir]

Pat Riley:

Speaking with reporters at the Heat’s “Family Fest” on Sunday, Riley pointed to models of success the NBA considers some the best in its history as the ultimate goal for the Heat while also reminding the city to enjoy this “special time.”

“I just want to keep helping them, keep bringing in more pieces that are going to complement them and hope we can have one of those 10-year rides, you know,” Riley said. “You think about every team, through the Celtics in the ’60s and the Lakers in the ’80s and the Bulls and then again the Spurs, those guys have been together eight, nine, 10 years and if we can keep this group together for eight, nine, 10 years, then we’re all going to have some fun.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/04/09/3 ... rylink=cpy

Who says we aren't keeping the Big 3 past 2014? Riley has plans.

[GreenHat]

Doesn't really take much of a plan. Big three is going to ETO and sign new deals while the other guys are going to opt in because they can't get bigger deals elsewhere.

[Pimpwerx]

We've done alright in the draft. Not the best, but not the worst. We got Wade with a high pick, who's an all-time great SG. Then we got that piece of crap Beasely. We managed to find our PG rotation late in the draft (Cole/Chalmers), but then we've found nothing but stiff bigs that late (Jarvis/Pittman). You can't win 'em all. Just be glad we're not the Wolves or Raptors. There are teams that actually suck at drafting, and we're not one of them. PEACE.

[GoodSir]

Colin Ciwherd keeps banging on about Lebron to LA in 2014. I think only Heat fans believe he'll stay. Everyone else is talking about Cleveland & LA....just liked they were very "sure" he'd stay in Cleveland in 2010. These folks will be shocked.

[LEIF]

overall Riley and his staff have been pretty average in the draft. maybe even a bit below average but something that I haven't seen mentioned is this: PAT RILEY NEVER EVER EVER BUILDS A TEAM THROUGH THE DRAFT. He has stated that young teams never win and he wants experience. He is a MASTER recruiter and especially now that he has this history of nabbing the Big 3 and having a hand in building this team around him with guys who have taken less to WIN.

that being said...Riley was seen at many college games this year (a lot during the streak) scouting himself. Many of my buddies said "Why is Riley bothering to scout these kids?" some even joked he was scouting the future competition. but that is not so....

Pat Riley is smart and he realizes the economic climate of this league as the landscape changes when this new CBA kicks in (especially the repeater tax for teams who spend over the luxury tax line in multiple seasons in a row)..with that understanding it is VERY CLEAR that nailing mid round, late round and 2nd round picks will be more important then ever. low cost talent on rookies deals for 3 year runs at that low salary will be very important when surrounding the Big 3.

We may even see a time with this Big 3 that surrounding them is all players on minimum contracts and rookie deals....and Riley understands that...so he is focusing more on scouting and you can bet if he sets his mind to improving an aspect of his aptitude to building a team..HE WILL

Lebron adds something to his game every year, Wade is evolving as a player...you folks really think Riley isn't going to be challenged to evolve and roll with the punches of this new CBA?

I expect far more hits them misses going forward..specifically as we get deeper into this new CBA.

just my take..

[DWadeno3]

overall Riley and his staff have been pretty average in the draft. maybe even a bit below average but something that I haven't seen mentioned is this: PAT RILEY NEVER EVER EVER BUILDS A TEAM THROUGH THE DRAFT. He has stated that young teams never win and he wants experience. He is a MASTER recruiter and especially now that he has this history of nabbing the Big 3 and having a hand in building this team around him with guys who have taken less to WIN.

that being said...Riley was seen at many college games this year (a lot during the streak) scouting himself. Many of my buddies said "Why is Riley bothering to scout these kids?" some even joked he was scouting the future competition. but that is not so....

Pat Riley is smart and he realizes the economic climate of this league as the landscape changes when this new CBA kicks in (especially the repeater tax for teams who spend over the luxury tax line in multiple seasons in a row)..with that understanding it is VERY CLEAR that nailing mid round, late round and 2nd round picks will be more important then ever. low cost talent on rookies deals for 3 year runs at that low salary will be very important when surrounding the Big 3.

We may even see a time with this Big 3 that surrounding them is all players on minimum contracts and rookie deals....and Riley understands that...so he is focusing more on scouting and you can bet if he sets his mind to improving an aspect of his aptitude to building a team..HE WILL

Lebron adds something to his game every year, Wade is evolving as a player...you folks really think Riley isn't going to be challenged to evolve and roll with the punches of this new CBA?

I expect far more hits them misses going forward..specifically as we get deeper into this new CBA.

just my take..

I don't think Riley needs to evolve, just pay more attention. He's one of the greatest basketball minds of all-time, I'm sure he sees talent and the right fit when he sees it. It's just, as you said, he's not paid a lot of attention to the draft because it went against his philosophy. So it's more so a change in philosophy than it is a personal development for Riley.