Camby/Anthony

[Grumpy Heat Fan]

I'd honestly rather have Stonehands over that old geezer at this point. I don't see his contract as that annoying either, it's obvious Miller will be amnestied after next season.

uh, miller's contract is done after this season. strong knowledge of the contract situation you have there.

trade him now or never.

Miller has 2 more seasons left on his deal, this season and next...

last season is a player option

**** we need to amnesty him now then

[Duane]

Miller won't get amnestied before Joel imo. Of the two guys, only one has contributed in the Finals the last two years. When Shane couldn't buy a bucket, it was Miller that provided the floor spacing and relief.

I once wanted mike amnestied because he was always injured. Now that he's healthy, I think he's worth keeping as a utility guy with a great shot. He can bring shooting, rebounds and has even been our backup ball handler at times. I like that. He looked spry this season.

[heat4life]

Uh, because Camby is a much better rebounder and a better post defender. We are playing for now. Toronto is not. If we are talking about taking the roster spot of 40 yr old Juwan Howard, Camby's age really shouldn't be that much of a factor.

I'm not sure I'd do it because I am not sure Camby is an ideal fit in our defense, but as a rebounder and shot blocker he is still a proven commodity.

But Camby wouldn't be taking Juwan Howard's spot, it would be Joel Anthony as you suggested. Big difference.
I would add Camby at the end of our bench but I wouldn't trade Anthony for him.

And with both Anthony and Camby on the roster, I don't know that Camby would play ahead of him anyway. Anthony can move better on defense and defend the PnR better than Camby ever did. Also, at this stage, I just don't know how much of a better rebounder Camby is. I do think Camby - and a rock - have better hands on offense than Anthony.

Well, no player has a specific designated roster spot. I expect us to try to add another center and probably one with more bulk strength, so there would be room for Andersen, Camby and Oden (for example). I don't expect Howard to be on the roster (unless he is added late in the reason like this past season).

I don't know that Camby would play ahead of Andersen either. For that matter I don't think any C we would sign would. But that is not a reason to not add depth at C. Injuries do happen and Andersen's re-signing is not a given (although it does sound like everyone wants it to happen).

I think Camby is still a pretty elite rebounder. He played so little this year so it is hard to derive too much from his numbers, but he was still an 11.5 rebs per 36 minute guy. The year before he was over 14 rebounds per 36 minutes, which is elite.

I still don't think Camby over Anthony is an upgrade or even a lateral move. Camby is almost 40 and his defensive skill, rebounding and shot blocking all depended on his athleticism which he no longer has. He's always been injury prone - including last season with little PT - and I just don't know if he will mesh well with our locker room.

[DeeDub]

But Camby wouldn't be taking Juwan Howard's spot, it would be Joel Anthony as you suggested. Big difference.
I would add Camby at the end of our bench but I wouldn't trade Anthony for him.

And with both Anthony and Camby on the roster, I don't know that Camby would play ahead of him anyway. Anthony can move better on defense and defend the PnR better than Camby ever did. Also, at this stage, I just don't know how much of a better rebounder Camby is. I do think Camby - and a rock - have better hands on offense than Anthony.

Well, no player has a specific designated roster spot. I expect us to try to add another center and probably one with more bulk strength, so there would be room for Andersen, Camby and Oden (for example). I don't expect Howard to be on the roster (unless he is added late in the reason like this past season).

I don't know that Camby would play ahead of Andersen either. For that matter I don't think any C we would sign would. But that is not a reason to not add depth at C. Injuries do happen and Andersen's re-signing is not a given (although it does sound like everyone wants it to happen).

I think Camby is still a pretty elite rebounder. He played so little this year so it is hard to derive too much from his numbers, but he was still an 11.5 rebs per 36 minute guy. The year before he was over 14 rebounds per 36 minutes, which is elite.

I still don't think Camby over Anthony is an upgrade or even a lateral move. Camby is almost 40 and his defensive skill, rebounding and shot blocking all depended on his athleticism which he no longer has. He's always been injury prone - including last season with little PT - and I just don't know if he will mesh well with our locker room.

I posed the question because I thought it an interesting one and not because I necessarily think it is a good move. That said, however, I don't think there is any evidence that Camby has lost his defensive skill, rebounding or shot blocking ability. His per minute numbers for those things have been pretty good for the last 2 seasons. I like Anthony more than most people here (and he lives in my building and seems like a good guy), but Camby when healthy is almost the prototype of what the Heat have needed at C. Andersen is too and I think Andersen gets the majority of minutes if he re-signs, but depth is good and Camby's age really isn't that big a factor to me as a backup on this veteran team.

[DivineFury]

Unless we get some sweet offer, Miller isn't going anywhere. He wasn't cut last year for a very good reason, certainly wont be cut this year.

[DeeDub]

Unless we get some sweet offer, Miller isn't going anywhere. He wasn't cut last year for a very good reason, certainly wont be cut this year.

We'll see. When you factor in the luxury tax, Miller will cost $18.6 million next year. If he matches his 900 regular season minutes from last year, he'll be costing Mickey more than $20,000 per minute of floor time. He's not worth anything close to that. For us, he is really just a spot up shooter and while he's a good one, there are other good ones that can be had for the vet minimum. We already have two other good ones at the vet minimum on our roster (JJones and Lewis). It's Micky's money, so if he wants to spend it, that's fine, but I wouldn't.

[theFRANCHISE]

Heat need to go after Robin Lopez, apparently he's available or even Kaman.

Kaman available too? I watched both of them play on the clippers a couple years back. I'd rather have camby he does all the little things. Kaman plays good at times but has mental lapses

[heat4life]

Unless we get some sweet offer, Miller isn't going anywhere. He wasn't cut last year for a very good reason, certainly wont be cut this year.

We'll see. When you factor in the luxury tax, Miller will cost $18.6 million next year. If he matches his 900 regular season minutes from last year, he'll be costing Mickey more than $20,000 per minute of floor time. He's not worth anything close to that. For us, he is really just a spot up shooter and while he's a good one, there are other good ones that can be had for the vet minimum. We already have two other good ones at the vet minimum on our roster (JJones and Lewis). It's Micky's money, so if he wants to spend it, that's fine, but I wouldn't.

Mike Miller IS NOT just a spot up shooter. He is an above average rebounder, can handle the rock is a good passer and a solid defender. Unfortunately he's had health issue over the past two seasons. IMO, he is healthy now and I can see a bigger role with the team as long as he is healthy.

What makes our perimeter bench players good is that they can do more that just shoot 3's. Ray Allen can run the offense in spurts, runs great offensive sets, can put the ball on the floor. Shane Battier is a great facilitator and good defender.

James Jones is probably our only shooter who doesn't bring much else to the table, hence why he doesn't play much.

[DeeDub]

Unless we get some sweet offer, Miller isn't going anywhere. He wasn't cut last year for a very good reason, certainly wont be cut this year.

We'll see. When you factor in the luxury tax, Miller will cost $18.6 million next year. If he matches his 900 regular season minutes from last year, he'll be costing Mickey more than $20,000 per minute of floor time. He's not worth anything close to that. For us, he is really just a spot up shooter and while he's a good one, there are other good ones that can be had for the vet minimum. We already have two other good ones at the vet minimum on our roster (JJones and Lewis). It's Micky's money, so if he wants to spend it, that's fine, but I wouldn't.

Mike Miller IS NOT just a spot up shooter. He is an above average rebounder, can handle the rock is a good passer and a solid defender. Unfortunately he's had health issue over the past two seasons. IMO, he is healthy now and I can see a bigger role with the team as long as he is healthy.

What makes our perimeter bench players good is that they can do more that just shoot 3's. Ray Allen can run the offense in spurts, runs great offensive sets, can put the ball on the floor. Shane Battier is a great facilitator and good defender.

James Jones is probably our only shooter who doesn't bring much else to the table, hence why he doesn't play much.

Truth is that Miller isn't really much more than a spot up shooter for the Heat. His 6.3 boards per 36 minutes is unexceptional for a SF and his 3-4 assists per 36 minutes is also pretty average. Yeah, those numbers are a little better than the Kyle Korvers and Danny Greens but not by all that much, especially considering the sparing minutes that Miller (or whoever else might fill that role) plays. I think calling Miller a solid defender is being pretty generous -- his defensive metrics are worse than guys like Korver and Green. But even if Miller is everythign you say he is, spending $18.6 million a year on him is still easily $14-16 million too much.

[IMAN5]

throw in a 1st rounder and anthony and raps do it

[RexBoyWonder]

throw in a 1st rounder and anthony and raps do it

Camby can go suck on a maple tree.

Lock this **** up.

[heat4life]

We'll see. When you factor in the luxury tax, Miller will cost $18.6 million next year. If he matches his 900 regular season minutes from last year, he'll be costing Mickey more than $20,000 per minute of floor time. He's not worth anything close to that. For us, he is really just a spot up shooter and while he's a good one, there are other good ones that can be had for the vet minimum. We already have two other good ones at the vet minimum on our roster (JJones and Lewis). It's Micky's money, so if he wants to spend it, that's fine, but I wouldn't.

Mike Miller IS NOT just a spot up shooter. He is an above average rebounder, can handle the rock is a good passer and a solid defender. Unfortunately he's had health issue over the past two seasons. IMO, he is healthy now and I can see a bigger role with the team as long as he is healthy.

What makes our perimeter bench players good is that they can do more that just shoot 3's. Ray Allen can run the offense in spurts, runs great offensive sets, can put the ball on the floor. Shane Battier is a great facilitator and good defender.

James Jones is probably our only shooter who doesn't bring much else to the table, hence why he doesn't play much.

Truth is that Miller isn't really much more than a spot up shooter for the Heat. His 6.3 boards per 36 minutes is unexceptional for a SF and his 3-4 assists per 36 minutes is also pretty average. Yeah, those numbers are a little better than the Kyle Korvers and Danny Greens but not by all that much, especially considering the sparing minutes that Miller (or whoever else might fill that role) plays. I think calling Miller a solid defender is being pretty generous -- his defensive metrics are worse than guys like Korver and Green. But even if Miller is everythign you say he is, spending $18.6 million a year on him is still easily $14-16 million too much.

I was never disputing his value in dollars, just questioning you assessment on Mike Miller and calling him "just a spot up shooter". Mike Miller has always been a good rebounder for his position, especially on the offensive boards. You can't compare his skill set to Korver or Green for that matter. Mike Miller can actually put the ball on the floor and somehow create a shot for himself. He is also a good passer. That is NOT the definition of a spot up shooter. I will not argue his defensive metrics but I do believe he at least is adequate as a defender.

[DeeDub]

Mike Miller IS NOT just a spot up shooter. He is an above average rebounder, can handle the rock is a good passer and a solid defender. Unfortunately he's had health issue over the past two seasons. IMO, he is healthy now and I can see a bigger role with the team as long as he is healthy.

What makes our perimeter bench players good is that they can do more that just shoot 3's. Ray Allen can run the offense in spurts, runs great offensive sets, can put the ball on the floor. Shane Battier is a great facilitator and good defender.

James Jones is probably our only shooter who doesn't bring much else to the table, hence why he doesn't play much.

Truth is that Miller isn't really much more than a spot up shooter for the Heat. His 6.3 boards per 36 minutes is unexceptional for a SF and his 3-4 assists per 36 minutes is also pretty average. Yeah, those numbers are a little better than the Kyle Korvers and Danny Greens but not by all that much, especially considering the sparing minutes that Miller (or whoever else might fill that role) plays. I think calling Miller a solid defender is being pretty generous -- his defensive metrics are worse than guys like Korver and Green. But even if Miller is everythign you say he is, spending $18.6 million a year on him is still easily $14-16 million too much.

I was never disputing his value in dollars, just questioning you assessment on Mike Miller and calling him "just a spot up shooter". Mike Miller has always been a good rebounder for his position, especially on the offensive boards. You can't compare his skill set to Korver or Green for that matter. Mike Miller can actually put the ball on the floor and somehow create a shot for himself. He is also a good passer. That is NOT the definition of a spot up shooter. I will not argue his defensive metrics but I do believe he at least is adequate as a defender.

I may be able to count on one hand the number of times over ther last 3 seasons that Miller has actually put the ball on the floor and created a shot for himself (or others). Hell, in 3 seasons he has only 103 2 pt baskets in total and the vast majority of those are still jump shots. Whether he has the skills to do more or not, he plays (or is played) as a spot up shooter on this team.

[GameTime_3]

Camby isn't much but he is still a better player then Joel Anthony and he would save Mickey 4 million by using amnesty on Joel and picking up Camby if waived. Camby can't play every day but could be a great 3rd string Center to be used verus the bigger teams in the league. Camby is an above average passing big, good rebounder and has solid size.

[HIF]

No Camby WAS those things. He's a washed up, injury riddled, old man now.

[GameTime_3]

No Camby WAS those things. He's a washed up, injury riddled, old man now.

Did Camby shrink? Did he loses his passing ability or hands? Can he no longer get rebounds? I'm confused.

Joel 2013 season; 9mins 1.9 rbs, .7 blocks
Camby 2013 season; 10mins 3.3rbs .6 blocks

One player at 39 can catch a basketball, one player at age 0-30 has yet to catch one.

I'm not advocating for Camby as a rotation player, I'm just saying a team lacking size, Camby could provide us with some.

[HIF]

He's lost his legs. Which means he can't get in position to use his hands, he can't get the rebounds (well the contested ones). Neither can he play the offensive and defensive screens ( which Joel plays so well).

Basically he'd be a slow handicap on the team. He'll be 40YO. He was good a few years ago but now he's broken down. Size means nothing if it's immobile.

[narmerguy]

Too old, doesn't make us better.