The only threat to Lebron winning it is if the Heat don't win the East. If the Pacers win the east, PG will get the MVP. Simple as.
It's kind of funny that as bad as the eastern conference is, the MVP vote will probably come down to two players in that conference.
A lot because Tony Parker doesn't put up big time stats, really.
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If "voter fatigue" wasn't an issue, Jordan should have won at least 2 more. AT LEAST.
Regarding that, I'll point you to a good post made in the GB MVP thread:
therealbig3 wrote:From what I've come to accept about Jordan's MVPs is that although he was robbed in 97...you could make a very strong case that Malone was robbed in 98 and that Jordan's missed MVP was made up for in that sense. And if we accept Barkley in 93 to be an acceptable winner...then I don't think Jordan missed out on any MVP awards. 5 seems fair.
Can we honestly say he was more deserving of the MVP award than Magic/Bird from 85-87? I don't think so.
This brings us to the 88-90 stretch where he only won once. But let's look at 88, the year he won. Why should he have won over Bird and Magic, especially if we use traditional criteria? They both had monster statistical production as well, and their teams were better. They were the more established stars at that point as well. You could argue that Jordan won an undeserved MVP that year.
89 and 90, Magic won. Bird is injured and isn't as effective anymore. So it's really between Magic and Jordan at this point (actually Barkley finished ahead of Jordan in 90, which is also fair, because he had a monster year as well). The Bulls weren't that good in 89 and 90, while Magic's Lakers were, and again, Magic is still putting up monster production himself, and he was doing this WITHOUT Kareem. I definitely think he deserved the awards in those years.
So I'm ok with Jordan only winning in 88, and even that was debatable. The only years you could really say he was robbed would be 97, and he got another debatable MVP award in 98. So max, Jordan should have won 6 MVPs as opposed to 5, but you could also make the case that he should only have 4 MVPs as well, if you give him 97, but take away 88 and 98.
I think the whole "Jordan was robbed of MVPs and should have a lot more" argument is really overstated if you actually analyze the years in question.
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MisterHibachi wrote:truthiness wrote:
If "voter fatigue" wasn't an issue, Jordan should have won at least 2 more. AT LEAST.
Regarding that, I'll point you to a good post made in the GB MVP thread:therealbig3 wrote:From what I've come to accept about Jordan's MVPs is that although he was robbed in 97...you could make a very strong case that Malone was robbed in 98 and that Jordan's missed MVP was made up for in that sense. And if we accept Barkley in 93 to be an acceptable winner...then I don't think Jordan missed out on any MVP awards. 5 seems fair.
Can we honestly say he was more deserving of the MVP award than Magic/Bird from 85-87? I don't think so.
This brings us to the 88-90 stretch where he only won once. But let's look at 88, the year he won. Why should he have won over Bird and Magic, especially if we use traditional criteria? They both had monster statistical production as well, and their teams were better. They were the more established stars at that point as well. You could argue that Jordan won an undeserved MVP that year.
89 and 90, Magic won. Bird is injured and isn't as effective anymore. So it's really between Magic and Jordan at this point (actually Barkley finished ahead of Jordan in 90, which is also fair, because he had a monster year as well). The Bulls weren't that good in 89 and 90, while Magic's Lakers were, and again, Magic is still putting up monster production himself, and he was doing this WITHOUT Kareem. I definitely think he deserved the awards in those years.
So I'm ok with Jordan only winning in 88, and even that was debatable. The only years you could really say he was robbed would be 97, and he got another debatable MVP award in 98. So max, Jordan should have won 6 MVPs as opposed to 5, but you could also make the case that he should only have 4 MVPs as well, if you give him 97, but take away 88 and 98.
I think the whole "Jordan was robbed of MVPs and should have a lot more" argument is really overstated if you actually analyze the years in question.
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I think really the only year you could consider Jordan truly robbed was the Malone in 97. Doctor MJ made a great point about the Barkley MVP...Chuck was coming off a few elite years in a row and then arguably out-performed MJ when they were on the same team in the Olympics. Then he goes to the Suns and they end up being maybe the best team in the regular season while Jordan's team only wins 57...hard to say that MJ was "robbed" or that "voter fatigue" played a huge role. There was just a compelling counter-narrative to the MJ-GOAT one.
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mopper8 wrote:MisterHibachi wrote:truthiness wrote:
If "voter fatigue" wasn't an issue, Jordan should have won at least 2 more. AT LEAST.
Regarding that, I'll point you to a good post made in the GB MVP thread:therealbig3 wrote:From what I've come to accept about Jordan's MVPs is that although he was robbed in 97...you could make a very strong case that Malone was robbed in 98 and that Jordan's missed MVP was made up for in that sense. And if we accept Barkley in 93 to be an acceptable winner...then I don't think Jordan missed out on any MVP awards. 5 seems fair.
Can we honestly say he was more deserving of the MVP award than Magic/Bird from 85-87? I don't think so.
This brings us to the 88-90 stretch where he only won once. But let's look at 88, the year he won. Why should he have won over Bird and Magic, especially if we use traditional criteria? They both had monster statistical production as well, and their teams were better. They were the more established stars at that point as well. You could argue that Jordan won an undeserved MVP that year.
89 and 90, Magic won. Bird is injured and isn't as effective anymore. So it's really between Magic and Jordan at this point (actually Barkley finished ahead of Jordan in 90, which is also fair, because he had a monster year as well). The Bulls weren't that good in 89 and 90, while Magic's Lakers were, and again, Magic is still putting up monster production himself, and he was doing this WITHOUT Kareem. I definitely think he deserved the awards in those years.
So I'm ok with Jordan only winning in 88, and even that was debatable. The only years you could really say he was robbed would be 97, and he got another debatable MVP award in 98. So max, Jordan should have won 6 MVPs as opposed to 5, but you could also make the case that he should only have 4 MVPs as well, if you give him 97, but take away 88 and 98.
I think the whole "Jordan was robbed of MVPs and should have a lot more" argument is really overstated if you actually analyze the years in question.
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I think really the only year you could consider Jordan truly robbed was the Malone in 97. Doctor MJ made a great point about the Barkley MVP...Chuck was coming off a few elite years in a row and then arguably out-performed MJ when they were on the same team in the Olympics. Then he goes to the Suns and they end up being maybe the best team in the regular season while Jordan's team only wins 57...hard to say that MJ was "robbed" or that "voter fatigue" played a huge role. There was just a compelling counter-narrative to the MJ-GOAT one.
Pretty much. Barkley deserved that MVP hands down. It's just the narrative that MJ is the GOAT and he should've won more MVPs considering he played like 13 seasons. But as that post showed, he got the MVPs he deserved, and was only robbed once and even that was made up for.
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