Heat @ Knicks 1/9/14 8:00 PM

[Hoopz Afrik]

even the corpse of stoudemire and friggin bargnani torched us down low

and people still insist we dont need bynum

lol

That's because we DON'T need him. He'd be a nice luxury but not worth it if he's going to disrupt the team's chemistry.

[DWadeno3]

While LBJ has been guilty with ball stopping it happened mainly in the 4th because he was tired... it was obvious. He guarded Melo most of the game and still came in after 2 minutes ticked off in the 4th.

Do you know how stupid you make LeBron sound?!? You're saying LeBron decided to hold on to the ball because he was tired?!? If anything, if you're tired, you wanna run a play and put yourself in an easier position to score rather than hol on to the ball forever and then force yourself into creating a shot, something that requires a lot of energy, because the clock is running down.
No, DefenseWins hit the nail on the head. It was the Knicks with Melo, it was a sellout crowd at the garden, they wanted the show, they wanted the praise, they played for their glory and shine rather than for the team. It doesn't happen a lot, but last night, it was evident what those two were gunning for and this time, it misfired.

That Wade only lineup is a killer and he should never be alone. Beas is not enough and Bosh should always be with him. Bron had three TO's, missed an easy layup and wasn't guarding Melo at first in the 4th (Wade had the assignment) because he needed more rest but we couldn't afford giving him anymore time. That's on Spo for riding that lineup. It cost us in the second and did more damage in the 4th which we were unable to recover from.

According to 82games.com, some of our Wade-only lineups are the most productive ones out there and some others aren't really worse than our current starting five. You're just using this game to fuel a narrative of Wade not being able to carry the team alone out there, rather than accepting that sometimes some lineups work better than others, but in the grand scheme of things, most of the lineups we throw out there are pretty productive. Even without the statistics, I remember plenty of games where those Wade-only lineups got us going or turned a game around.

[DWadeno3]

For everyone saying Beasley looks lost on defense the Knicks were targeting Wade all game that should tell you something. That said this was just a game to laugh at. Felton looking like an allstar, Bird man getting schooled by Amare. Lewis playing almost 30 mins we deserve to lose this game. The cherry moment was Wade actually hitting the 3 i just lol

I know you're a Beasley homer and all, but the time they were targeting Wade was when he was on Melo and the reason they did it was because Melo has a size advantage. The time Shumpert hit his threes, Wade wasn't even on him all the time. So show me where they were targeting him for his lack of defending rather than just exploiting a mismatch? People really grasp for straws to make Beasley look good. When he isn't scoring, he isn't of any use out there, it's that simple.

I love Wade but this was not his night on or off the court and with his comments about free throws yes he deserves to get ripped. Wade played bad defense by his standards. He was late on his rotations ( so was the whole team), effort was not really 100% there. Some of that is on Spo and his questionable rotations which is another issue in itself. This is not the game to defend Wade, this is one of those game where you just try to forget it quickly and move on. I expect a monster game from this team tonight after this performance

I don't disagree with that, but to claim they were targeting him as some sort of weak spot is nonsense. Your narrative was that they targeted him and were successful with it and Wade still got all those minutes while Beasley sat on the bench for his poor defense. The reality of it is, the entire team was horrible defensively last night, they were not targeting Wade other than when he was on Melo for obvious reasons, and Beasley didn't contribute anything positive either so he rode the bench, it's really that simple. There was no injustice to him sitting last night.

[Dupas]

wade bankshot was so sweet..i wonder why he doesnt use it anymore..could be a killer move from him

[Ratchet_Rio]

even the corpse of stoudemire and friggin bargnani torched us down low

and people still insist we dont need bynum

lol

Ya'll are some flavor of the month **** man. Same guys who thought Pryzbilla was the answer. Same guys who said Dalembert was the answer. "and people say we dont need bynum" jesus christ Any big that gets free ya'll come running like some 3 dollar hoes, its despicable.

[Makavalli]

dont take this lost too seriously. melo bron and wade are best friends off the court and they put out a circus exhibition all star game type effort. i know as die hard fans we want to see domination every night but thats not this team plus there is no bad blood to spark that killer instinct between the teams like the 80's or 90's. were hollywood as **** and they entertained the garden and took the fall to give the knicks a meaningless moral boosting victory game while preserving some energy for the b2b tonight.

i think this team learned a lesson from last seasons 27 game win streak burning them out right before the playoffs and barely winning in 2 tough 7 game series. this team hates the brooklyn celtics so i expect to see a more competitive serious mindset tonight

[BballMania47]

While LBJ has been guilty with ball stopping it happened mainly in the 4th because he was tired... it was obvious. He guarded Melo most of the game and still came in after 2 minutes ticked off in the 4th.

Do you know how stupid you make LeBron sound?!? You're saying LeBron decided to hold on to the ball because he was tired?!? If anything, if you're tired, you wanna run a play and put yourself in an easier position to score rather than hol on to the ball forever and then force yourself into creating a shot, something that requires a lot of energy, because the clock is running down.
No, DefenseWins hit the nail on the head. It was the Knicks with Melo, it was a sellout crowd at the garden, they wanted the show, they wanted the praise, they played for their glory and shine rather than for the team. It doesn't happen a lot, but last night, it was evident what those two were gunning for and this time, it misfired.

That Wade only lineup is a killer and he should never be alone. Beas is not enough and Bosh should always be with him. Bron had three TO's, missed an easy layup and wasn't guarding Melo at first in the 4th (Wade had the assignment) because he needed more rest but we couldn't afford giving him anymore time. That's on Spo for riding that lineup. It cost us in the second and did more damage in the 4th which we were unable to recover from.

According to 82games.com, some of our Wade-only lineups are the most productive ones out there and some others aren't really worse than our current starting five. You're just using this game to fuel a narrative of Wade not being able to carry the team alone out there, rather than accepting that sometimes some lineups work better than others, but in the grand scheme of things, most of the lineups we throw out there are pretty productive. Even without the statistics, I remember plenty of games where those Wade-only lineups got us going or turned a game around.

We watched the same game, short on ballhandlers with Rio out and Wade hardly relieved Bron with pg duties so he had the ball a lot. I would have liked to see Wade handle the ball more in the 4th especially when Cole sat.
I disagree, while Wade can carry a team alone some it has a lot to do with who is out there with him. He could have gotten Beas the ball more in the 2nd. I just think we need to see more Wade and Bosh. I don't know why Spo stopped that lineup this year

[Lord Hades]

even the corpse of stoudemire and friggin bargnani torched us down low

and people still insist we dont need bynum

lol

Ya'll are some flavor of the month **** man. Same guys who thought Pryzbilla was the answer. Same guys who said Dalembert was the answer. "and people say we dont need bynum" jesus christ Any big that gets free ya'll come running like some 3 dollar hoes, its despicable.

[Linear Railgun]

Knicks are gunning for that 7th seed; they can pull the upset.

[DWadeno3]

While LBJ has been guilty with ball stopping it happened mainly in the 4th because he was tired... it was obvious. He guarded Melo most of the game and still came in after 2 minutes ticked off in the 4th.

Do you know how stupid you make LeBron sound?!? You're saying LeBron decided to hold on to the ball because he was tired?!? If anything, if you're tired, you wanna run a play and put yourself in an easier position to score rather than hol on to the ball forever and then force yourself into creating a shot, something that requires a lot of energy, because the clock is running down.
No, DefenseWins hit the nail on the head. It was the Knicks with Melo, it was a sellout crowd at the garden, they wanted the show, they wanted the praise, they played for their glory and shine rather than for the team. It doesn't happen a lot, but last night, it was evident what those two were gunning for and this time, it misfired.

That Wade only lineup is a killer and he should never be alone. Beas is not enough and Bosh should always be with him. Bron had three TO's, missed an easy layup and wasn't guarding Melo at first in the 4th (Wade had the assignment) because he needed more rest but we couldn't afford giving him anymore time. That's on Spo for riding that lineup. It cost us in the second and did more damage in the 4th which we were unable to recover from.

According to 82games.com, some of our Wade-only lineups are the most productive ones out there and some others aren't really worse than our current starting five. You're just using this game to fuel a narrative of Wade not being able to carry the team alone out there, rather than accepting that sometimes some lineups work better than others, but in the grand scheme of things, most of the lineups we throw out there are pretty productive. Even without the statistics, I remember plenty of games where those Wade-only lineups got us going or turned a game around.

We watched the same game, short on ballhandlers with Rio out and Wade hardly relieved Bron with pg duties so he had the ball a lot. I would have liked to see Wade handle the ball more in the 4th especially when Cole sat.
I disagree, while Wade can carry a team alone some it has a lot to do with who is out there with him. He could have gotten Beas the ball more in the 2nd. I just think we need to see more Wade and Bosh. I don't know why Spo stopped that lineup this year

How did Wade hardly relieve LeBron? He just didn't get the ball that much down the stretch, that's it. It's still not an excuse for LeBron to just hold on to the ball forever. You don't need your "playmaker" to keep the rock in his hands and then make something happen, you run plays for that, plays that'll get you good efficient shots. We just didn't do that and LeBron was part of the problem by just stopping any kind of ball movement. There's really no excuse or explanation for it, but I'm also not gonna blame them much for it either. At the end of the day, it was one of many RS games where they wanted to show it and LeBron is good enough to win us games even with his ball stopping. As long as I know that this won't happen in the postseason, I'm cool with it, you gotta let the kids have some fun.

As for Wade getting Beasley the ball more, I previously said him and James were too keen on putting on a show rather than playing good basketball. We only executed well offensively for the first five minutes of the game or so, then it all stopped. With that being said, Wade has played well without Bosh there, some of our most efficient lineups are Cole-Wade-Allen-Battier-Andersen and Cole-Wade-Allen-Beasley-Andersen. Granted you have to take the opposition we fielded those lineups against into account, they still ranked 8th and 9th out of 20 in terms of minutes they were used, so I'd say the sample size is large enough.
Using one or two games as an example is not enough to draw conclusions. We don't need a massive rotational overhaul, we're once again fielding an insanely efficient offense, our team is just lazy sometimes and you can't blame 'em with the burn they're getting year in and year out.

[Nitro1118]

Ya'll are some flavor of the month **** man. Same guys who thought Pryzbilla was the answer. Same guys who said Dalembert was the answer. "and people say we dont need bynum" jesus christ Any big that gets free ya'll come running like some 3 dollar hoes, its despicable.

There is a HUGE difference between those guys and a 26 year old who was a 20/10 player less than 2 years ago.

Get him for anywhere near the minimum and it's a no brainer. He works out and Miami 3-peats almost certainly....if he doesn't then Miami cuts him.

[Yaphet Kotto]

Fail team is fail.


Keep losing to all the sub .500, worst teams in the league Miami, way to have pride and show dominance

[Yaphet Kotto]

Smfh, cant even score 90 pts in a GOT DAMN OVERTIME GAME.

THE BROOKLYN NETS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE GREATEST DEFENSIVE STALWARTS OF THE CENTURY, HOLDS THE TWO TIME, BACK TO BACK DEFENDING CHAMPIONS TO UNDER 90 PTS IN AN OVERTIME GAME!!!!

[Yaphet Kotto]

Just give up losers, you couldnt even beat this scrub team WITH the best player in the world, theres no way in hell youll win WITHOUT him

[Boarder Patrol]

Just give up losers, you couldnt even beat this scrub team WITH the best player in the world, theres no way in hell youll win WITHOUT him

Wrong thread or?

[Yaphet Kotto]

I hate this **** team.

[Yaphet Kotto]

Weve been exposed.

One man team.