Roger mason jr. traded to kings

[AlexCRO]

Just what the doctor ordered, two more SFs.

Rio Cole
Wade Allen
LBJ Battier Beasley Lewis Jones Butler Granger.
Bosh Haslem
Birdman Oden

I don't know.

battier is a pf now days in our rotation and lewis,jones will be in street clothes come playoff time... beasley will see limited action. butler and granger are both better then any sf we have not named lebron james

Ok, I thought you said you've watched Granger play. Granger is as bad as Beasley on D and looks terrible due to his health. Butler has been hurting too but he's 34. Two years ago, I'd agree. Butler and Granger were able to play SG back then but not now. Moving Battier to the four doesn't change my point. We still have too many forwards. We need another combo guard, a healthy one not another forward. Toney provides that for us. Our weakness lies in the middle and at SG when Wade and Allen are gimpy/hurt. We have players playing out of position due to our lack of presence in the middle. Bosh should be playing at the four full-time with spot minutes at the five, but he can't because we have no true healthy center yet. Our answer is not another forward who would be undersized at the four. That being said, I would be open to bringing in Caron Butler. We don't get Shaq in '05 without him. He needs a ring and he needs to retire where it all began.

granger just returned to action you cannot judge him yet plus he is a better defender then beas thats for sure ad a much more reliable player then beas at least he doesnt pass up open shoots to opponents like beasley regularly does. i agree but basically you sad what is true we have many many holes to adress its basically pick it your hole to fill... anyhow isnt butler 36 years old ??? and i dont like this loyality shijat with our organization to be honest with you wich is maybe a portion of why i am against it... oh yes and by the way granger will be bought up per inside hoops... lol.. didnt take long...

[KingDavid]

if we can somehow get both butler and granger you can bet douglas is gone

Just what the doctor ordered, two more SFs.

Rio Cole
Wade Allen
LBJ Battier Beasley Lewis Jones Butler Granger.
Bosh Haslem
Birdman Oden

I don't know.

I was thinking more along the lines of getting Butler and Okafor.

I wonder how many times I've said this.

Okafor is done. You don't come back from a non-contact herniated disk in your neck at 31 years old on a professional level.

[KingDavid]

you either dont understand nothing about the salary cap or cant see longer then your nose. they did that to have insurance for lance next season. dont you see this makes them worse... you really think turner can guard lebron when he comes in for george cmon or that turner is an x factor... please explain

Hm...I think I confused you.

Granger got demoted and he accepted his role a while back...He's become so useless, they still let him go during his expiring year for Evan Turner. That's how bad he is and Turner is no insurance for Lance, wtf. Lance was almost an allstar this year. Turner completely sucks.

Are we agreeing with each other???

ofc he got demoted he was injured and i tell you he would be better then anyone not named lebron james in our sf rotation and that speaks volumes about ours sf's and how much they suck...ofc turner sucks but i am talking about turner being an insurance if lance walks in the offseason not right now... i guess we agree

No, he was injured and wasn't what he used to be when he came back, hence the demotion. Our SFs suck but we still have the best SF in the game with a pretty good backups in Beasley and Battier or Wade when we shuffle lineups. It's not a problem. That position has never been a problem for us in the Big 3 era. It's guard and center. That's where our problems lie. Butler and/or Granger don't solve those. They're redundant in the grand scheme of things.

[KingDavid]

battier is a pf now days in our rotation and lewis,jones will be in street clothes come playoff time... beasley will see limited action. butler and granger are both better then any sf we have not named lebron james

Ok, I thought you said you've watched Granger play. Granger is as bad as Beasley on D and looks terrible due to his health. Butler has been hurting too but he's 34. Two years ago, I'd agree. Butler and Granger were able to play SG back then but not now. Moving Battier to the four doesn't change my point. We still have too many forwards. We need another combo guard, a healthy one not another forward. Toney provides that for us. Our weakness lies in the middle and at SG when Wade and Allen are gimpy/hurt. We have players playing out of position due to our lack of presence in the middle. Bosh should be playing at the four full-time with spot minutes at the five, but he can't because we have no true healthy center yet. Our answer is not another forward who would be undersized at the four. That being said, I would be open to bringing in Caron Butler. We don't get Shaq in '05 without him. He needs a ring and he needs to retire where it all began.

granger just returned to action you cannot judge him yet plus he is a better defender then beas thats for sure ad a much more reliable player then beas at least he doesnt pass up open shoots to opponents like beasley regularly does. i agree but basically you sad what is true we have many many holes to adress its basically pick it your hole to fill... anyhow isnt butler 36 years old ??? and i dont like this loyality shijat with our organization to be honest with you wich is maybe a portion of why i am against it... oh yes and by the way granger will be bought up per inside hoops... lol.. didnt take long...

Butler's 34 in a couple of weeks. Granger sure as hell is not that much better than Beasley...you know what, maybe I'm going about this the wrong way with you. You're right, I can't judge Granger because he's just returning to action. But in another post, you said you're not talking about Turner & Lance right now, but in the future during the offseason; which makes perfect sense. Why are you doing the same for Granger though? We would only use him for this year and his impact would be needed right now. Since he's been back, he's sucked. SUCKED. He lumbers around everywhere and can't create for himself or others. He's been killed on D as well. If there was hope of him being even a fraction of who he once was, Pacers would keep him for at least this year to have him help against us. But that's not what happened.

Not to mention swapping Beasley for Granger in rotation does nothing for our actual problems. We may get a little better off the bench...we may get worse. But we're still going to be killed on the boards, post defense, and open 3s.

We don't have "many many holes to fill". We only have two. We're not going to get superstars at every position. We just need serviceable and healthy players in two positions. We don't have that at center until Greg Oden is 100% healthy (oh I wish) and we already have a good combo guard in Toney Douglas. We can't just sign the best available names just because they're there. We have to have a need for them. It's why we took a long hard look at Bynum and decided he wasn't professional enough for this organization and stuck with our other -while not as important- need in a combo guard. We have no need for Granger or Butler but if push comes to shove, I wouldn't turn them down either.

Watch us sign Granger though :/ lols. I would not be surprised.

[AlexCRO]

Ok, I thought you said you've watched Granger play. Granger is as bad as Beasley on D and looks terrible due to his health. Butler has been hurting too but he's 34. Two years ago, I'd agree. Butler and Granger were able to play SG back then but not now. Moving Battier to the four doesn't change my point. We still have too many forwards. We need another combo guard, a healthy one not another forward. Toney provides that for us. Our weakness lies in the middle and at SG when Wade and Allen are gimpy/hurt. We have players playing out of position due to our lack of presence in the middle. Bosh should be playing at the four full-time with spot minutes at the five, but he can't because we have no true healthy center yet. Our answer is not another forward who would be undersized at the four. That being said, I would be open to bringing in Caron Butler. We don't get Shaq in '05 without him. He needs a ring and he needs to retire where it all began.

granger just returned to action you cannot judge him yet plus he is a better defender then beas thats for sure ad a much more reliable player then beas at least he doesnt pass up open shoots to opponents like beasley regularly does. i agree but basically you sad what is true we have many many holes to adress its basically pick it your hole to fill... anyhow isnt butler 36 years old ??? and i dont like this loyality shijat with our organization to be honest with you wich is maybe a portion of why i am against it... oh yes and by the way granger will be bought up per inside hoops... lol.. didnt take long...

Butler's 34 in a couple of weeks. Granger sure as hell is not that much better than Beasley...you know what, maybe I'm going about this the wrong way with you. You're right, I can't judge Granger because he's just returning to action. But in another post, you said you're not talking about Turner & Lance right now, but in the future during the offseason; which makes perfect sense. Why are you doing the same for Granger though? We would only use him for this year and his impact would be needed right now. Since he's been back, he's sucked. SUCKED. He lumbers around everywhere and can't create for himself or others. He's been killed on D as well. If there was hope of him being even a fraction of who he once was, Pacers would keep him for at least this year to have him help against us. But that's not what happened.

Not to mention swapping Beasley for Granger in rotation does nothing for our actual problems. We may get a little better off the bench...we may get worse. But we're still going to be killed on the boards, post defense, and open 3s.

We don't have "many many holes to fill". We only have two. We're not going to get superstars at every position. We just need serviceable and healthy players in two positions. We don't have that at center until Greg Oden is 100% healthy (oh I wish) and we already have a good combo guard in Toney Douglas. We can't just sign the best available names just because they're there. We have to have a need for them. It's why we took a long hard look at Bynum and decided he wasn't professional enough for this organization and stuck with our other -while not as important- need in a combo guard. We have no need for Granger or Butler but if push comes to shove, I wouldn't turn them down either.

Watch us sign Granger though :/ lols. I would not be surprised.

we will see what the river will bring to us... anyhow we can and cant agree about some things... but i got respect for u... anyhow lets switch to the other thread its better

[Proven_Winner]

Hey I don't mean to interrupt the flow your board, but as a Bulls fan I just wanted to know how good or bad was Roger Mason Jr. when he was here?

We already have a feeling our FO will be chasing him and I just wanted to get a clear image of why you guys got rid of him?

Can he shoot?Defend?Create?Or is he just playing a Juwan Howard type role?

[WD]

-- LeBron on the Heat's trade of Mason, "There are some business things you can't control. And it sucks."

[Heat_team02]

I was so against him making the roster to begin with. It surprises me how long it took them to realize this.

[WD]

Roger Mason Jr ‏@MoneyMase 17h
Truly blessed to have been a part of such a classy franchise, great fans, and a brotherhood I will never forget. Thank u @MiamiHEAT family!

WD-I'm glad this organization(and Mason) are classifier that some of it's fans.

[heat4life]

I could also envision Butler here for the next couple of years while I just don't think Granger is ready to give up the money he could make in FA this summer.

I would love Trevor Ariza on this team

Butler is 34 YO in a couple of weeks and he looks 99% done, he better not be in our future plans. Granger won't stay here past this year either, he'll go after the money. If we pick up either of them it will be minimum rentals for this year and then we say goodbye IMO.

I hate that Granger Turner trade, **** hate it. **** Sixers giving away assets for nothing all of a sudden...****.

Then you haven't paid attention the last 20 years of Riley's governance. He loves veterans with good locker room character to fill his bench and Spo believes in that as well. Think Ray Allen, Shane Battier, Roger Mason Jr, Juwan Howard etc. I am not saying Butler will be an integral part of the Heat rotation, but if he is willing to work for a minimum salary, I could see him being one of our bench guys for a year or two (if healthy).

[Smash3]

Good luck, built a brick house on the court but was always tight with the gang especially when he wore his heatles t-shirt.