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How to exploit the Heat defense (video) 

Post#1 » by Sign5 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 1:33 am

Even though I dislike this "Coach" Nick guy due to his bias against the Heat since the Big 3 merged, he has a point which we've all known. Teams are simply adjusting to the Heat's aggressive trapping of the pnr, quite frankly this defense wastes so much energy and effort that when the end of the game comes they become exhausted.

This defense is great against ball dominant guards, which is why Miami is better against A Rose-led Bulls than the Bulls without Rose that swing the ball. However, any team that has great ball movement(seems like teams are only getting better at this aspect each year to counter the Heat) thrives. Not saying they should scrap it altogether but for christ sakes Spo, adjust from time to time.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaIWp4FMe1w[/youtube]
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Re: How to exploit the Heat defense (video) 

Post#2 » by Vertical Limit » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:40 am

That's funny, didn't know that hack was still pretending to be a coach on youtube.
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Post#3 » by CablexDeadpool » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:57 am

Obviously we seen this year after year how a team can make it rain on the Heat if they pass the ball and do things quicker.
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Re: How to exploit the Heat defense (video) 

Post#4 » by Jaxon » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:27 am

I wouldn't say he's bias against us. He said we could beat the Pacers even without Wade because of the offensive ests we're starting to use. Does that make him bias against the Pacers?
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Re: How to exploit the Heat defense (video) 

Post#5 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:05 pm

Jaxon wrote:I wouldn't say he's bias against us. He said we could beat the Pacers even without Wade because of the offensive ests we're starting to use. Does that make him bias against the Pacers?

Keep in mind he's a Bulls fan. Bulls fans dislike us, but they dislike the Pacers almost as much (some actually more, believe it or not).
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Re: How to exploit the Heat defense (video) 

Post#6 » by SlowPaced » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:59 pm

Biggest problem with this guy is that he thinks staying true to fundamentals is the only way to win as a team, and the only way to be a great player. That's not the case. Heat play an unorthodox game because of their roster and he thinks it's not gonna work. But we're back to back champs.

He does read the plays well, though, I'll give him that.
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Post#7 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:17 pm

Biggest issue is ADJUSTING IN TIME. If Spo can do it, we should be able to mix it up effectively. If Spo doesn't and teams get comfeterable, headless chicken defense could end us.
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Re: How to exploit the Heat defense (video) 

Post#8 » by heatlespeatles » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:42 pm

I prefer we just play the same Defense as the Bulls to be honest. You plug in anyone and it works? Yea I'll take that
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Post#9 » by RexBoyWonder » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:49 pm

heatlespeatles wrote:I prefer we just play the same Defense as the Bulls to be honest. You plug in anyone and it works? Yea I'll take that


One does not simply "plug in anyone".

They have 3 elite defenders on the court at most time, all 3 are limited offensively so they give 110% effort on defense : Noah, Gibson and Butler.

We just don't have even 1 big that plays defense at that level. Bosh is decent but not elite. Birdman same. Oden never plays. We need that defensive Center, nothing new.
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Re: How to exploit the Heat defense (video) 

Post#10 » by heatlespeatles » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:52 pm

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heatlespeatles wrote:I prefer we just play the same Defense as the Bulls to be honest. You plug in anyone and it works? Yea I'll take that


One does not simply "plug in anyone".

They have 3 elite defenders on the court at most time, all 3 are limited offensively so they give 110% effort on defense : Noah, Gibson and Butler.

We just don't have even 1 big that plays defense at that level. Bosh is decent but not elite. Birdman same. Oden never plays. We need that defensive Center, nothing new.

We have Oden, and Bird isn't horrible. We have Lebron, wade , Bosh - all can play that defense.
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Re: How to exploit the Heat defense (video) 

Post#11 » by heat4life » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:54 pm

Not to mention that the Bulls defense is built around the skills of Noah and Gibson who are mobile post defender that can run from the perimeter to the block as good as anyone and can cover a lot of ground. This makes it easier for perimeter players to stay with their assignments. We don't have centers like that.
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Re: How to exploit the Heat defense (video) 

Post#12 » by heatlespeatles » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:08 pm

For one, Gibson comes off the bench, Boozer starts and he's not a better defender than Bosh and he plays that same defense. You don't have to play it exactly like Gibson, you just have to stay with your man..Noah is Noah - not a lot of centers like him but our centers can defend. I'd bet anything we would play that defense better than this headless chicken nonsense

Bulls defense is predicated on funneling players into the parts of the court they want them to go. Same defense the Celtics used with an old KG, Paul Pierce, and Rondo. If you think we cant play this ? well why play headless chicken when center still have to go out on guards?

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Re: How to exploit the Heat defense (video) 

Post#13 » by DWadeno3 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:40 pm

heatlespeatles wrote:For one, Gibson comes off the bench, Boozer starts and he's not a better defender than Bosh and he plays that same defense. You don't have to play it exactly like Gibson, you just have to stay with your man..Noah is Noah - not a lot of centers like him but our centers can defend. I'd bet anything we would play that defense better than this headless chicken nonsense

Bulls defense is predicated on funneling players into the parts of the court they want them to go. Same defense the Celtics used with an old KG, Paul Pierce, and Rondo. If you think we cant play this ? well why play headless chicken when center still have to go out on guards?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP5ui2CxM6A[/youtube]


The Bulls run ICE on the side pick and rolls, which, instead of our extreme hedging, actually keeps the big in the paint and forces the perimeter player to prevent the ball handler from using the screen, channelling him towards the side-/baseline as you said and thus doesn't require an additional rotation and, as a result, also doesn't give up that many open threes. If our bigs can run our current system, they sure as hell can run ICE. I think bballbreakdown has a good video of it up on his channel IIRC. He talks some nonsense in his analytical videos of games, has a bias and sometimes just points out the most obvious things, but there are some good videos on his channel nonetheless.
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Post#14 » by cb1 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:14 am

heatlespeatles wrote:For one, Gibson comes off the bench, Boozer starts and he's not a better defender than Bosh and he plays that same defense. You don't have to play it exactly like Gibson, you just have to stay with your man..Noah is Noah - not a lot of centers like him but our centers can defend. I'd bet anything we would play that defense better than this headless chicken nonsense

Bulls defense is predicated on funneling players into the parts of the court they want them to go. Same defense the Celtics used with an old KG, Paul Pierce, and Rondo. If you think we cant play this ? well why play headless chicken when center still have to go out on guards?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP5ui2CxM6A[/youtube]

This x100000000000. I've always thought people's excuses for why we couldn't play that defense was overstated. Doc had the cetics as the best defensive team in the league with Brandon Bass as the 4 man. If we play Birdman and Bosh together how can we not play that defense. The scheme matters just as much as the individual defenders and tell me two better perimeter defenders at the 2 and 3 position than Lebron and Wade? Am talking man to man defense. I know Wade is lazy on help defense but with the bulls scheme he wouldn't need to help as much
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Re: How to exploit the Heat defense (video) 

Post#15 » by heatlespeatles » Sat Mar 15, 2014 2:20 am

cb1 wrote:
heatlespeatles wrote:For one, Gibson comes off the bench, Boozer starts and he's not a better defender than Bosh and he plays that same defense. You don't have to play it exactly like Gibson, you just have to stay with your man..Noah is Noah - not a lot of centers like him but our centers can defend. I'd bet anything we would play that defense better than this headless chicken nonsense

Bulls defense is predicated on funneling players into the parts of the court they want them to go. Same defense the Celtics used with an old KG, Paul Pierce, and Rondo. If you think we cant play this ? well why play headless chicken when center still have to go out on guards?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP5ui2CxM6A[/youtube]

This x100000000000. I've always thought people's excuses for why we couldn't play that defense was overstated. Doc had the cetics as the best defensive team in the league with Brandon Bass as the 4 man. If we play Birdman and Bosh together how can we not play that defense. The scheme matters just as much as the individual defenders and tell me two better perimeter defenders at the 2 and 3 position than Lebron and Wade? Am talking man to man defense. I know Wade is lazy on help defense but with the bulls scheme he wouldn't need to help as much


lol they are so silly, they think we need every single player to be exactly as good as the Bulls defenders when we have other defenders way better at other positions. SMH This is the defense we should be playing. We would also rebound better, give up less threes and save energy
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Re: How to exploit the Heat defense (video) 

Post#16 » by whitehops » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:31 am

I really don't like nick and how he calls himself a coach. he jumps to conclusions based on very little...

his whole way of 'breaking down' the heat defense is to slip the screen? and he acts like teams haven't been doing that for the past two years? that in itself doesn't beat the system the heat play, that just exposes the terrible rotations the heat have made all year. I love how he even puts some numbers on the screen, plays like two clips and then says: 'that's why!'


i love how he says the pacers almost beat Miami by 'doing this'. are you kidding me? the only two things that kept Indiana in that series was their great defense and their offensive rebounding. their offense was very pedestrian against Miami, and a lot of their offensive rebounds were right at the rim for hibbert or west to have a layup. the spurs struggled (relatively to how easily they crushed other teams) with Miami's defense which is why pops wanted them to turn every possession into a fastbreak before the heat's defense could set.



i absolutely love how he acts as if the league was oblivious to slipping the screen in 2012 and 2013, but this year teams like the bobcats, Celtics and bulls have cracked the code.



gah this is why I've never liked 'coach' nick. dude uses some coach terms and now he has subscribers smh.
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Post#17 » by Yaphet Kotto » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:08 am

whitehops wrote:i love how he says the pacers almost beat Miami by 'doing this'. are you kidding me? the only two things that kept Indiana in that series was their great defense and their offensive rebounding. their offense was very pedestrian .

Three things.


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