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[aboogie]

Can't believe spo said that like Wtf

[thinktellectual]

But back to wm3, I was contributing to the thread. I was asking the guy if he was talking about the play where Lebron could have easily been called for a charge if not for kirk wrapping his arms to lebron to prevent an and1.

So Kirk was trying to prevent an and1 on an offensive foul ?

Kirk was originally gonna wrap him up and not let him get the and1. That is a foul, agreed? But the minute Lebron lowered his shoulder into kirk, that is a charge. Do you not agree with that? Like I said, he could have gone either way. The orginal dude thought that should have been a flagrant, I simple disagree.

Heat4life, I hope this^^^ is ok and not ban worthy. Since I am politely discussing a certain play.

Do you understand the basic rules of basketball ?
Do you understand they don't change depending on the jerseys the players wear ?

Lebron tried to go around Hinrich, Hinrich slid in front of him.
There is no charge. Otherwise a defender could just throw himself in front of/at the offensive player and obtain a charge.

The purpose of the charge is to reduce the advantage bigger, stronger players have by stopping them from going straight through a smaller, weaker defender. So the defender has the right to a defensive position, but he has to be still, not spazing around.

Oh, and for all the hypocrites crying that the league got soft and too many ticky-tack fools are being called, then turning around and begging for charges on such plays, I am sure you'd foam at the mouth if Lebron did what Shaq did here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vma7PlO6kFI[/youtube]

Old school, mofo.
Did he lower the shoulder ?
I don't think so. All I saw was OLD SCHOOL !!!!

What else is old school ?
This:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ3FXLyNFew[/youtube]

Damn Bulls fans would be losing their damn minds if Lebron did that to their boy Jimmy.

So just GTFO with your hypocrisy.

[MisterHibachi]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/443434855368761344[/tweet]

Even Skip Bayless thinks Spo should do something.

[Bisonbull8]

Do you understand the basic rules of basketball ?
Do you understand they don't change depending on the jerseys the players wear ?

Lebron tried to go around Hinrich, Hinrich slid in front of him.
There is no charge. Otherwise a defender could just throw himself in front of/at the offensive player and obtain a charge.

Of all teams fans, I would think Heat fans know best about a player throwing himself in front of/at an offensive player and getting charges in Battier. That is all that dude can do because he cant play good D anymore, so he has to do the copout and flop his way to charges.

Oh, and for all the hypocrites crying that the league got soft and too many ticky-tack fools are being called, then turning around and begging for charges on such plays, I am sure you'd foam at the mouth if Lebron did what Shaq did here:

I wasnt begging for a charge, I am saying lowering your shoulder into a defender like that will get a charge call a majority of the time. The only reason it wasnt called was because Kirk wrapped his arms around him. That call either way isnt a "ticky tack" foul. Im talking about little touch fouls that people Like CP3, Harden, Wade, etc act like they got sniped out of no where. And of course Lebron does it too just not as bad/often as the others.

Damn Bulls fans would be losing their damn minds if Lebron did that to their boy Jimmy. So just GTFO with your hypocrisy.

Cant speak for other Bulls fans, but I wouldnt be mad at all. I love physical play. The only time I cry about fouls, is when they call fouls non stop. I think they should let them play. If you want to take out Rose (hypothetical because he hasnt played for a couple years), take him out on a drive. Just expect it to happen back to your team. That is why I respect Birdman, dude is a beast and doesnt take ish from anyone.

[thinktellectual]

Cant speak for other Bulls fans, but I wouldnt be mad at all. I love physical play. The only time I cry about fouls, is when they call fouls non stop. I think they should let them play. If you want to take out Rose (hypothetical because he hasnt played for a couple years), take him out on a drive. Just expect it to happen back to your team. That is why I respect Birdman, dude is a beast and doesnt take ish from anyone.

That's a very smart attitude.

Let's take out all the stars, so we can finally enjoy Reggie Evans going 1 on 1 with Kendrick Perkins or Joel Anthony. I mean, that's what we're watching the NBA for, right ?

Everybody up for Austin Rivers vs Chris Duhon or Sebastian Telfair ?
Let's go.


Just in case you're as immune to sarcasm as you are to logic, I called bull on your post.
The Bulls and Pacers and their fans talk about "old school" and "physical play" to cover up the fact that they want to beat better teams up. They can't win within the rules, so they try to bend the rules.

Older Bulls fans who have the same ideas should slap themselves in the mirror, cause that's the same crap the Pistons were pulling on Jordan and the Bulls in the late 80s and early 90s, and the Bulls fans were pissed off about it.

[Bisonbull8]

Enough with the baiting and trolling.

--heat4life

[GameTime_3]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/443434855368761344[/tweet]

Even Skip Bayless thinks Spo should do something.

You know its bad when Skip is calling out Spo for something related to LBJ. This story has gone from how LBJ isn't getting calls to how SOFT Spo is and how little the HEAT Org is doing to support its best player. Think about that for a second. HC not defended our impending 2X Finals MVP free agent SF. Its mind blowing that SpoBot hasn't lost his cool and attacked the officals.

[fishercob]

It's sad how the NBA doesn't respect the best Damn player in the league. I mean look at the play when Hinrich tackled Lebron. What would have happened if it had been Chalmers tackling Durant? Instaflagrent.

Why should a player's skill level or resume having anything to do with how the rules are applied?

Sure calls are missed against Lebron. Are they missed at any higher of a rate against him than they are against anyone else? He's 11th in FGA and 8th in FTA. His free throw rate (FT/FGA) is higher this year than it was last year and just about at his career average, and he's taking more 3's than any year since he got to MIA.

Much ado about nothing.

[PaulieWal]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/443434855368761344[/tweet]

Even Skip Bayless thinks Spo should do something.

You know its bad when Skip is calling out Spo for something related to LBJ. This story has gone from how LBJ isn't getting calls to how SOFT Spo is and how little the HEAT Org is doing to support its best player. Think about that for a second. HC not defended our impending 2X Finals MVP free agent SF. Its mind blowing that SpoBot hasn't lost his cool and attacked the officals.

I agree with you and was disappointed last night at Spo's statement. But what Skip is saying is still stupid regarding LeBron "whining" too much. LeBron hasn't said anything regarding the refs for a while. The only thing he said after the SA game was that he doesn't like the sleeved jerseys and then two straight games where he was legit fouled on multiple possessions, he doesn't get calls. Forget "star" calls for now, he isn't getting calls on legit fouls.

[Mugiwara]

1:18 left in the 4th, LeBron tries the rip-through and they call blocking foul just to troll.

3:42-3:30 left in the 4th, Ariza goes against LeBron. Refs call foul on LBJ.

Spo reaction.



Congrats Spo, your emotionless coaching style never ceases to amaze me.

[WinisKing]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/443434855368761344[/tweet]

Even Skip Bayless thinks Spo should do something.

You know its bad when Skip is calling out Spo for something related to LBJ. This story has gone from how LBJ isn't getting calls to how SOFT Spo is and how little the HEAT Org is doing to support its best player. Think about that for a second. HC not defended our impending 2X Finals MVP free agent SF. Its mind blowing that SpoBot hasn't lost his cool and attacked the officals.

I agree with you and was disappointed last night at Spo's statement. But what Skip is saying is still stupid regarding LeBron "whining" too much. LeBron hasn't said anything regarding the refs for a while. The only thing he said after the SA game was that he doesn't like the sleeved jerseys and then two straight games where he was legit fouled on multiple possessions, he doesn't get calls. Forget "star" calls for now, he isn't getting calls on legit fouls.

A part of me thinks he pissed off the league and especially Silver with that sleeve comment, hence the no calls in the next immediate two games

[PaulieWal]

A part of me thinks he pissed off the league and especially Silver with that sleeve comment, hence the no calls in the next immediate two games

No lie, that thought crossed my mind as well. He is the face of the league and publicly said he dislikes these jerseys. I don't think it's true though, at least I hope not. I just didn't post it because I thought I was really reaching and the thought was "out there" .

I am very interested in seeing what kind of treatment he gets from the refs tomorrow. Part of me thinks the refs might be lenient on him and give him "makeup calls". Let's see.

[420]

2 games with zero FTs in a row.

A series clinching game where he picks up 5 fouls in 12 minutes while the other team's best player gets to play 40 minutes.

But the NBA is not rigged! According to some so-called quote Heat "fans".

[dr3am]

2 games with zero FTs in a row.

A series clinching game where he picks up 5 fouls in 12 minutes while the other team's best player gets to play 40 minutes.

But the NBA is not rigged! According to some so-called quote Heat "fans".

wow I forgot about this thread, nice bump 420

[Jaxon]

I've never been one to believe the league is rigged, but if there ever was an event that would make me believe it, it was last night's game. That was complete horse **** from start to finish, and the Pacers still barely won. I mean, it's hard not to feel like they didn't have it in for us from the very beginning. Lebron couldn't breath on someone without getting called for a foul. And the foul on him in the backcourt made absolutely no sense. The league should issue some kind of apology, that was embarrassing referring last night.

[EscapoTHB]

It's amazing that the NBA would decide to remove their biggest star from the game simply to get a Game 6. It would have been hilarious if the Heat had won anyways. No Lebron for the NBA, and a short series.

I don't think the NBA wants the Pacers in the finals--but they damn sure want 7 games.

Have they announced the refs for game 6 yet? Feels like it could be a Tony Brothers special coming.

And then they'll put Joey Crawford in for game 7, and the Heat will win that.

**** is like pro-wrestling.

[thinktellectual]

2 games with zero FTs in a row.

A series clinching game where he picks up 5 fouls in 12 minutes while the other team's best player gets to play 40 minutes.

But the NBA is not rigged! According to some so-called quote Heat "fans".

I usually agree with you, but this is nonsense.
They can't risk a 4 billion+ business to extend a couple of playoff series and get what ? 5 extra mil at most ?

If refs were being told specifically what to do, one of them for sure would get some evidence then sell it to the press. He'd make much more from that than he'd ever make from being a ref, and the NBA would lose all its credibility and reputation and its value would crumble.

Doing that at a time when the Clippers have just been sold for 2 billion would be beyond idiotic.


What I do believe the NBA does wrong is cuddle its refs too damn much and ignore their obvious biases and faults.
And react to certain trends that fans notice and complain about. For example, flopping became a real and widespread problem in the early 2000's (if not earlier), but it took the league 10 years to start doing something about it.

[xMADEinDADEx]

Still angry at "The Ed Malloy" game.