Official Miami Heat 2014 Draft Talk

[Heat_Fan_87]

with kidd possibly out of brooklyn. I think KG just became a possibility. I would take him for the min.

[GetMoney]

our pace is already slow with the team we had last year. We haven't been playing fast since 2012

And Pau was also playing in D'antoni's system, much faster than ours. The way he plays (slow but deliberate) actually makes it difficult for Noah to defend him, which is actually funny to see.

Dumping the ball down to Pau will slow our game even more and put two bodies in the paint. That is not a very good thing for a team that has LeBron and Wade manning the wings. And there are games when even the best shooting big in Bosh gets like 7 shots per game. Why on earth would Pau get more? If we actually become a team that attacks from the post, its great. But we all know better than that.

Not sure what you're saying. Pau played in D'antoni's fast system so he played in a system faster than ours- listen, if we get a good big thats exactly what we want to do, dump the ball to him for two easy points. You want to play fast with a big? We don't have Plumlee - either of them and in the playoffs their games would be nonexistent. Either you want a true big or you don't. Unless we get Monroe - and you still have to dump the ball to him, Gortat same thing -- though they are more mobile than Pau. Plus Pau can shoot the midrange with the best of time - the paint wouldn't be clogged

pau would be perfect playing with bron. his passing is incredible. he'd keep the ball moving instead of everyone standing around waiting for bron to create an open shot for them. pau can make plays for others

[heat4life]

I specifically said a good center is worth 10mill, not Shaun Livingston needs to get paid a lot, so I'm not expecting them to opt out for him smh and you really think they wouldn't opt out for a WELL balanced team - precisely the type of team that Lebron wants after losing to the Spurs ?

So who are you specifically talking about?

This is a one time shot for a new 4 year plan. Look at all the variables. Wade is aging, Allen is on a year to year basis. The Spurs beat us from the perimeter in, not the post. It all points to a perimeter playmaker in his prime that will still be a contributor in 4 years.

I know we need rebounding and post defense, but I just don't see it out there on a prime player who would make the Big 3 happy to take less. I mentioned Monroe but like I said, he is restricted therefore a bit unrealistic. IMO, we'll have to settle for the Jordan Hill types for less at those spots.

So give me some realistic names - besides Lowry and Melo - that will make the Big 3 take less money to sign. Livingston, Patty Mills and Isiah Thomas are options for AFTER getting a prime player in here.

My point is, why do we need to pay a star point guard - do we need a 10mill point guard that bad? If I had to spend that money it would go to a BIG. And if it can't then I would take a very good point guard that can shoot and run the offense- Yes, Patty Mills can run our team, so can Isaiah Thomas but he plays no defense, Shaun Livingston, Steve Blake, Ramon Sessions, Mo Williams

I'd look for a reasonably priced center
Centers - Hawes, Greg Monroe, Pau,

PF- Jordan Hill, Blatche, Kris Humphries

Other guys I'd look at
Josh McRoberts
Anthony Morrow
Shaun Marion
Xavier Henry
Francisco Garcia
Vince Carter
Jodie Meeks

Stretch the money out and get other players. It's not about ONE player making the big 3 take less money, its about adding critical players that can make a great team. Build a balanced team - if you can pay Lowry 10mill and still get a GOOD big and role players then cool. But i don't really see how that will happen.

I would also mention Deng, Ariza and Gortat also but they seem like long shots. Deng seems to want to be paid and i know Ariza does also, while Gortat is happy in DC

Ok, so who on your list can create his own shot and relieve LBJ and to an extend Wade from playmaking duties for the next 4 years?

IMO, that is what will motivate the big 3 to sacrifice money. A player or two who will make an impact on the team right off the bat.

[heatlespeatles]

So who are you specifically talking about?

This is a one time shot for a new 4 year plan. Look at all the variables. Wade is aging, Allen is on a year to year basis. The Spurs beat us from the perimeter in, not the post. It all points to a perimeter playmaker in his prime that will still be a contributor in 4 years.

I know we need rebounding and post defense, but I just don't see it out there on a prime player who would make the Big 3 happy to take less. I mentioned Monroe but like I said, he is restricted therefore a bit unrealistic. IMO, we'll have to settle for the Jordan Hill types for less at those spots.

So give me some realistic names - besides Lowry and Melo - that will make the Big 3 take less money to sign. Livingston, Patty Mills and Isiah Thomas are options for AFTER getting a prime player in here.

My point is, why do we need to pay a star point guard - do we need a 10mill point guard that bad? If I had to spend that money it would go to a BIG. And if it can't then I would take a very good point guard that can shoot and run the offense- Yes, Patty Mills can run our team, so can Isaiah Thomas but he plays no defense, Shaun Livingston, Steve Blake, Ramon Sessions, Mo Williams

I'd look for a reasonably priced center
Centers - Hawes, Greg Monroe, Pau,

PF- Jordan Hill, Blatche, Kris Humphries

Other guys I'd look at
Josh McRoberts
Anthony Morrow
Shaun Marion
Xavier Henry
Francisco Garcia
Vince Carter
Jodie Meeks

Stretch the money out and get other players. It's not about ONE player making the big 3 take less money, its about adding critical players that can make a great team. Build a balanced team - if you can pay Lowry 10mill and still get a GOOD big and role players then cool. But i don't really see how that will happen.

I would also mention Deng, Ariza and Gortat also but they seem like long shots. Deng seems to want to be paid and i know Ariza does also, while Gortat is happy in DC

Ok, so who on your list can create his own shot and relieve LBJ and to an extend Wade from playmaking duties for the next 4 years?

IMO, that is what will motivate the big 3 to sacrifice money. A player or two who will make an impact on the team right off the bat.

then create a big 4 on a vet minimum team and struggle......

[Darkstar]

My point is, why do we need to pay a star point guard - do we need a 10mill point guard that bad? If I had to spend that money it would go to a BIG. And if it can't then I would take a very good point guard that can shoot and run the offense- Yes, Patty Mills can run our team, so can Isaiah Thomas but he plays no defense, Shaun Livingston, Steve Blake, Ramon Sessions, Mo Williams

I'd look for a reasonably priced center
Centers - Hawes, Greg Monroe, Pau,

PF- Jordan Hill, Blatche, Kris Humphries

Other guys I'd look at
Josh McRoberts
Anthony Morrow
Shaun Marion
Xavier Henry
Francisco Garcia
Vince Carter
Jodie Meeks

Stretch the money out and get other players. It's not about ONE player making the big 3 take less money, its about adding critical players that can make a great team. Build a balanced team - if you can pay Lowry 10mill and still get a GOOD big and role players then cool. But i don't really see how that will happen.

I would also mention Deng, Ariza and Gortat also but they seem like long shots. Deng seems to want to be paid and i know Ariza does also, while Gortat is happy in DC

Ok, so who on your list can create his own shot and relieve LBJ and to an extend Wade from playmaking duties for the next 4 years?

IMO, that is what will motivate the big 3 to sacrifice money. A player or two who will make an impact on the team right off the bat.

then create a big 4 on a vet minimum team and struggle......

We won 2 titles with a O BBIQ player who isn't even average. I think we can manage with Cole/Napier. I'd much rather have Ariza along with Pau if he could be had for 4 mil like some one rumored.

[heatlespeatles]

then create a big 4 on a vet minimum team and struggle......

We won 2 titles with a O BBIQ player who isn't even average. I think we can manage with Cole/Napier. I'd much rather have Ariza along with Pau if he could be had for 4 mil like some one rumored.

Yea and situation is different, Wade can't be depended on anymore - need more balance. Cannot go for a big 4 especially when the 4th guy is a PG. Napier, Cole and a guy like Patty Mills would suit us fine.

What we need is depth. We won't get Ariza.
Just pay Pau and Jordan Hill and fill out the rest of the roster with shooters and defenders.

[mopper8]

We won 2 titles with a O BBIQ player who isn't even average. I think we can manage with Cole/Napier. I'd much rather have Ariza along with Pau if he could be had for 4 mil like some one rumored.

Yea and situation is different, Wade can't be depended on anymore - need more balance.

Which is why we cannot settle for role players as our other guards...

[heatlespeatles]

obviously don't need to see what Patty Mills can do

but he should be relatively cheap right? If not Isaiah Thomas for us? If we have some defense at the rim maybe we don't worry much about point guard penetration

Patty Mills
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Isaiah Thomas
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQjWpQ66Arg[/youtube]

[heatlespeatles]

Yea and situation is different, Wade can't be depended on anymore - need more balance.

Which is why we cannot settle for role players as our other guards...

role players that can score and spread the floor? hell yes. Especially if we can defend inside.

[mopper8]

Yea and situation is different, Wade can't be depended on anymore - need more balance.

Which is why we cannot settle for role players as our other guards...

role players that can score and spread the floor? hell yes. Especially if we can defend inside.

You want balance like the Spurs, but the Spurs aren't balanced because of their role players, they're balanced because they have players who are more than mere role-players at essentially every position. Parker, Manu, Kawhi, Duncan. You love Patty Mills for our team but Mills played 19mpg for the Spurs last season. He's a complimentary piece, but in our backcourt, who is he complimenting? He's great on the Spurs because they have a top-5 PG playing 30mpg ahead of him. On our team, he has Norris Cole playing ahead of him.

We already are top-heavy on talent and actually had decent role players. Getting slightly better role players doesn't make us more balanced, it solidifies us as an unbalanced, top-heavy team. You get balance from having talent at multiple positions.

[heatlespeatles]

Which is why we cannot settle for role players as our other guards...

role players that can score and spread the floor? hell yes. Especially if we can defend inside.

You want balance like the Spurs, but the Spurs aren't balanced because of their role players, they're balanced because they have players who are more than mere role-players at essentially every position. Parker, Manu, Kawhi, Duncan. You love Patty Mills for our team but Mills played 19mpg for the Spurs last season. He's a complimentary piece, but in our backcourt, who is he complimenting? He's great on the Spurs because they have a top-5 PG playing 30mpg ahead of him. On our team, he has Norris Cole playing ahead of him.

We already are top-heavy on talent and actually had decent role players. Getting slightly better role players doesn't make us more balanced, it solidifies us as an unbalanced, top-heavy team. You get balance from having talent at multiple positions.

What I want is inside presence from bigs who can defend, score and rebound. I don't want a "star" point guard because I don't think we need one. I'd prefer to pay that money or some of it to a center who will fix our interior weakness.We can find multiple little guards who can shoot, create and get to the rim just like Lowry can. Most pgs in the league are upgrades to Cole and Chalmers, it's the easiest position in the league to fill - we don't need to pay Lowry 10million when another guy can do the same ish for 4mill.

[dancing2thabeet]

Man, I would love IT2 on the team. But I think he is in that upper PG tier we just can't afford.

[SmushedPennies]

Mills will probably get overpaid somewhere, and IT's not a great fit (looks for his own O too much), and will likely be priced out of our range for a player like him.

If it came down to Gortat vs. Lowry at even money, I'd lean Gortat, but I'm not sure the Big 3 feel the same way.

All of this can be answered in this. I like Lowry, i know what he brings. But do i want to pay 10million for him on this team? NO. I want a cheaper option - and if I'll choose a cheaper option, he is going to come with flaws. So Livingston will have his flaws and if he has flaws we can play him with players that will space the floor to allow him opportunities to be effective. Sort of like what Pop does, he has players with flaws but he creates a system that allows them all to be effective. If that means wade has to come off the bench with Napier then so be it. Start, Lebron with shooters, Livingston and Bosh then make it work.

Did you just bench Wade to cater to Shaun Livingston?

Not sure what you're saying. Pau played in D'antoni's fast system so he played in a system faster than ours- listen, if we get a good big thats exactly what we want to do, dump the ball to him for two easy points. You want to play fast with a big? We don't have Plumlee - either of them and in the playoffs their games would be nonexistent. Either you want a true big or you don't. Unless we get Monroe - and you still have to dump the ball to him, Gortat same thing -- though they are more mobile than Pau. Plus Pau can shoot the midrange with the best of time - the paint wouldn't be clogged

Post play is not what we need from our big. It's rebounding, pick and roll D, rim protection, some post D, catch-and-finish ability, and perhaps a spot-up J. Jordan Hill (assuming he's cheaper) makes much more sense for this team than Pau. Wade and LeBron are our post players. We don't need a post-happy big who whines about touches.

then create a big 4 on a vet minimum team and struggle......

It would likely be the "Big 4" plus Napier, Ennis, Ray, Birdman, and Rashard, PLUS the 2.7mill room exception. That's 10 guys right there, more than a rotation. Add Oden if he can keep improving. In the event it's Melo added (I know, I know), you can add Cole there. On top of that we have a couple of TPEs that could be used to upgrade. This is the same argument we heard in 2010.

And it's not like we can get a rotation player or two with the minimum.

Yea and situation is different, Wade can't be depended on anymore - need more balance.

Which is why we cannot settle for role players as our other guards...

Bingo. Some people aren't realizing how much Lowry would off-set Wade's decline.