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Re: Hornets explore Lance Stephenson trades 

Post#41 » by Altered_Beast » Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:59 pm

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Altered_Beast wrote:id take lance on this team, i actually preferred him over deng. i know hes a very controversial player but the guy has mad skill he just needs a system and coach that can maximize that

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Don't get why you are so anti-Deng.

He is far and away the best defensive player we have. Without him we're a 115 a game defense.

He's the only one who can stop the opposition's best player.

I really see no point to Lance on this team.

we are a trash team defensively with or without deng. ranked 25th in defensive efficiency and 22nd in defensive rebound rate. our system is inherently broken. im not anti deng hif im just of the opinion that there were better players available and we missed on them. to me stephenson has more to offer than deng on this team. wade and bosh are the only ones that can get their own shots off. deng on occasion has made plays but far too many times ive seen him chuck up contested jumpers. we need better offensive players on this squad no way around it.

until we get a decent big our defense will continue to be eaten alive. the reason we always get torched by the 3 ball is cause of the necessity to double team as we have no decent one on one big man defenders.
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Re: Hornets explore Lance Stephenson trades 

Post#42 » by twix2500 » Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:11 pm

If we could some how get involved in a 3 team deal to pull away Zelller from Charlotte would a amazing but a bruh can only dream....
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Post#43 » by dwade13 » Sun Dec 21, 2014 6:36 pm

twix2500 wrote:If we could some how get involved in a 3 team deal to pull away Zelller from Charlotte would a amazing but a bruh can only dream....


Would be perfect with McBob out... Bosh could switch to PF and we could play Birdman/Zeller/Whiteside at C. 3 team deal with NewYork, Cole for Hardaway jr on top 8-)

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Re: Hornets explore Lance Stephenson trades 

Post#44 » by Altered_Beast » Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:06 pm

twix2500 wrote:If we could some how get involved in a 3 team deal to pull away Zelller from Charlotte would a amazing but a bruh can only dream....

id prefer biyombo lol tbh. from what ive seen he is terrible on offense but he can rebound and block shots, has a good frame to pack on muscle and be dominant defensively
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Re: Hornets explore Lance Stephenson trades 

Post#45 » by twix2500 » Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:18 pm

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twix2500 wrote:If we could some how get involved in a 3 team deal to pull away Zelller from Charlotte would a amazing but a bruh can only dream....

id prefer biyombo lol tbh. from what ive seen he is terrible on offense but he can rebound and block shots, has a good frame to pack on muscle and be dominant defensively


We need a big body in the paint who can not be pushed out of the paint. Zeller fits that mode and he has good all around offensive game. Biyombo is what 6'8 just another Joel clone. We see that and we do not want that again.
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Re: Hornets explore Lance Stephenson trades 

Post#46 » by Altered_Beast » Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:26 pm

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twix2500 wrote:If we could some how get involved in a 3 team deal to pull away Zelller from Charlotte would a amazing but a bruh can only dream....

id prefer biyombo lol tbh. from what ive seen he is terrible on offense but he can rebound and block shots, has a good frame to pack on muscle and be dominant defensively


We need a big body in the paint who can not be pushed out of the paint. Zeller fits that mode and he has good all around offensive game. Biyombo is what 6'8 just another Joel clone. We see that and we do not want that again.

well i like zeller too and maybe with the vonleh pick the hornets would be more apt to trading him but bismack is actually a pretty strong inside presence. given his limited minutes he actually produces when it comes to our main areas of weakness (rebounding and defending the rim), zeller is a much better overall player though and id be happy to have him but alas we have no trade assets
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Post#47 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Sun Dec 21, 2014 7:37 pm

i dont want lance, but charlotte is going to have sweeten that deal
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Re: Hornets explore Lance Stephenson trades 

Post#48 » by HIF » Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:01 pm

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Altered_Beast wrote:id take lance on this team, i actually preferred him over deng. i know hes a very controversial player but the guy has mad skill he just needs a system and coach that can maximize that

*props up flame shield*


Don't get why you are so anti-Deng.

He is far and away the best defensive player we have. Without him we're a 115 a game defense.

He's the only one who can stop the opposition's best player.

I really see no point to Lance on this team.

we are a trash team defensively with or without deng. ranked 25th in defensive efficiency and 22nd in defensive rebound rate. our system is inherently broken. im not anti deng hif im just of the opinion that there were better players available and we missed on them. to me stephenson has more to offer than deng on this team. wade and bosh are the only ones that can get their own shots off. deng on occasion has made plays but far too many times ive seen him chuck up contested jumpers. we need better offensive players on this squad no way around it.

until we get a decent big our defense will continue to be eaten alive. the reason we always get torched by the 3 ball is cause of the necessity to double team as we have no decent one on one big man defenders.


And Lance is not a big man so a complete waste of time.
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Re: Hornets explore Lance Stephenson trades 

Post#49 » by dancing2thabeet » Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:29 pm

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Re: Hornets explore Lance Stephenson trades 

Post#50 » by twix2500 » Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:46 pm

Why would you or anyone want Lance here?
He is not a SF, our offense is not the problem. We have a very good offense team. Our problems is getting stops and rebounding. If you have an idea of Lance playing SF, you just making our problems worse. We are already small now, we would be small at every position with lance.
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Re: Hornets explore Lance Stephenson trades 

Post#51 » by gom » Sun Dec 21, 2014 8:50 pm

I think some believe that with Deng gone Granger & Ennis & Williams will be an adequate SF rotation. Lance Stephenson will want to *start* at SG so the only choice would be to move Wade to the PG and Chalmers/Cole/Napier/Dawkins as the backups. Wade-Stephenson does not seem better to me than Chalmers-Wade. Subtracting Deng will hurt us. Granger isn't ready to have long minutes, Ennis is not ready for the NBA (though he is improving), and Williams (aside from his 3 point shooting) doesn't inspire much confidence either. I prefer the devil we know to the devil we do not.
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Post#52 » by Dmcdani6 » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:05 pm

^^^ These dudes know what they're talking about. What about him being a locker room cancer?? They didn't take Bynum, and people were begging for him here too.
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Re: Hornets explore Lance Stephenson trades 

Post#53 » by Biscayne Beast » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:42 pm

twix2500 wrote:Why would you or anyone want Lance here?
He is not a SF, our offense is not the problem. We have a very good offense team. Our problems is getting stops and rebounding. If you have an idea of Lance playing SF, you just making our problems worse. We are already small now, we would be small at every position with lance.


Lance is an above average defensive player, he's also one of the best rebounding guards in the league. Attitude problems aside he's the type of player we need for this team because of his ability to create offense for not only himself but for others. Outside of Wade and maybe Bosh no one else on this team has that ability.
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Re: Hornets explore Lance Stephenson trades 

Post#54 » by twix2500 » Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:39 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Why would you or anyone want Lance here?
He is not a SF, our offense is not the problem. We have a very good offense team. Our problems is getting stops and rebounding. If you have an idea of Lance playing SF, you just making our problems worse. We are already small now, we would be small at every position with lance.


Lance is an above average defensive player, he's also one of the best rebounding guards in the league. Attitude problems aside he's the type of player we need for this team because of his ability to create offense for not only himself but for others. Outside of Wade and maybe Bosh no one else on this team has that ability.


He is a ok defender, again he is a 2 guard we have that in Wade. He an good player creating points for himself, but not for others. He is a put his head down and attack the basket player at a position that we have someone WAYYY better 2 guard. Stevenson is a guy who scores out of the offensive system which is okay when you need that type of player. But again we have that that in Wade. The minutes he will get behind Wade will not be the impact that we need. That money needs to be put at another position. Also Lance is not an elite player, and not worth the headache to for the minutes and role he would get here. For his salary he needs to be starting.
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Post#55 » by JLop » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:04 pm

Report: Pacers players opposed to idea of trading for Lance Stephenson

With the injury to Paul George the Indiana Pacers desperately could use some more shot creation. Like they got from Lance Stephenson last season when he wasn’t blowing in people’s ears.

It just so happens that after early struggles and chemistry issues, the Charlotte Hornets happen to want to trade Stephenson and his actually reasonable contract (for his talent level). This has led to trade rumors and at least some level of talks between the Hornets and Pacers about bringing Stephenson back to Indy, with Indiana’s owner saying he’s sign off on the deal if Larry Bird wants to pull the trigger.

However, the Pacers players feel differently, reports Marc Stein of ESPN.

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Locker room chemistry issues have followed Stephenson — he has clashed with Hornets’ teammates already this season — and there is no team is out there thinking right now “what we need is a bad actor in this locker room?”

It is possible Stephenson gets moved closer to the trade deadline, there might be a team willing to gamble on his talent (again, it’s a reasonable contract with two-years, $18 million after this season and the second of those years is a player option). For now, after being underwhelmed by the offers that came in, the Hornets have pulled back from Stephenson trade talks.

The thing is, until he plays a lot closer to last season’s form, and until he shows he’s not going to blow up another locker room, no team is going to take a serious run at trading for him.


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Post#56 » by JLop » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:18 pm

Ranking the Top 10 Shooting Guards in the NBA Heading into 2014-15


10. Dion Waiters
9. Manu Ginobili
8. Arron Afflalo
7. Bradley Beal
6. Klay Thompson
5. Lance Stephenson
4. Monta Ellis
3. DeMar DeRozan
2. Dwyane Wade
1. James Harden


Lance Stephenson

Team: Charlotte Hornets

Age: 24

2013-14 Per-Game Stats: 13.8 points, 7.2 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 0.7 steals, 0.1 blocks, 14.7 PER



From a perspective based around traditional statistics, Lance Stephenson doesn't measure up to many of the players he ranks ahead of in this article. However, context is vitally important, because Stephenson was so often the only player on the court capable of creating his own offense for the Indiana Pacers.

In fact, his value is pretty easy to see when you take a gander at what the Pacers were able to do with him on and off the court, per Basketball-Reference.com:
---------------------------ORtng---------DRtng
Stephenson On----------105.8----------100.1
Stephenson Off----------101.3----------98.5

Even though the Pacers were better at preventing points when he was off the floor, it's hard to deny how effective he is on that end. He's a tenacious, hard-nosed player who isn't afraid of any matchup, nor is he unwilling to milk any advantage he thinks he can gain.

Sometimes, the antics overshadow the production. Sometimes, Stephenson gets overconfident and can shoot his team out of a game.

But now that he's in a more stable environment and will be tasked with being a third option for the Charlotte Hornets, he's only going to look better than ever.


Full article:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2201974-ranking-the-top-10-shooting-guards-in-the-nba-heading-into-2014-15/page/7


Yes, Stephenson is a known knucklehead from his high school days in Coney Island; a true head case that plays with an undeniable amount of effort on a nightly basis. The type of play that the Heat have been lacking for the past two years, whenever they were not matched up against his old Indiana Pacers.

He would also bring the skills that had him on top of last season’s NBA statistic board with five triple-doubles. Which brings us to an interesting point that ESPN’s Chad Ford brought up:

“I had a NBA GM tell me yesterday that they think Stephenson will thrive if he lands on a team that uses him as their primary ball handlers. He thought Stephenson is more of a point guard… Put him on a team where he you ask him to run the offense and score less, and the GM thought he’d be much better.”

That type of thinking would make it much easier to move on from the anemic play of Cole in the starting lineup, while allowing Stephenson to keep a player like Mario Chalmers at the shooting guard position where he thrived off of the bench. And although his presence would mean less time for Wade handling floor general duty, I’m sure the 12-year vet would not mind doing so for a player who — in a slump season — would automatically be the Heat’s No. 2 in rebounds (6.8) and assists (4.8).


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http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/12/19/lance-stephenson-should-be-on-miami-heat-christmas-wish-list/
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Post#57 » by DefenseWins » Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:52 pm

Lance should go to Brooklyn, even though he has the personality to play for the Knicks

You always hear about players being locker room cancers but this dude has too much evidence of being an a-hole

Again Larry Bird couldn't fix him and MJ can't, don't need to exasperate Riley and UD punching this dude to get through to him. Prob won't work. Add Juwan punching him too
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Post#58 » by MettaWorldPanda » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:57 pm

DefenseWins wrote:Lance should go to Brooklyn, even though he has the personality to play for the Knicks

You always hear about players being locker room cancers but this dude has too much evidence of being an a-hole

Again Larry Bird couldn't fix him and MJ can't, don't need to exasperate Riley and UD punching this dude to get through to him. Prob won't work. Add Juwan punching him too
I agree no need to bring in Lance. We could have had him this off season but he insisted on getting an extra year. Getting Lance would foul up our chances at 2016 free agency. The only guard that makes sense for us on that team is Gerald Henderson. He plays solid D and would be a viable backup to Wade and he comes off the book in 2016..

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