These last 2 losses are inexcusable

[thinktellectual]

The excuses about the roster are so ridiculous. We're not talking about a title team. We're talking about making the playoffs in the East.

Spo has so many excuses made for him. He's had such an easy road with us. People bent logic and reality to make excuses for him. They'd say such unique challenges come with having the best player in the world and a historically talented team that Spo had to deal with. Every single coach in the history of the league would have killed to be dealing with the challenges of having too much talent. Spo until this year has always had the luxury of a player putting together an MVP year. The people who excused 4 HOFers inability to win 60 games in the regular season and narrow wins in the postseason as being because of weaknesses at the 2 most important positions, C and PG. Well the FO pulled off two miracles this year and solved those problems yet now it's a struggle to win 30 games.

It's just endless excuses for this coaching staff. You are kidding yourselves, if you think Dragic, Wade, Whiteside, Deng and a bench with 2 players who were starters on the chip teams isn't far more talent than the teams tanking in the east who are ahead of us in the standings.

Oddly enough, the 4 you mentioned have not been that great whenever they're on the floor together.

I wonder whose fault is that ... if only there was a person in charge of taking a group of athletes and guiding them into becoming more than the sum of the parts and putting them in position to be successful.

[contract]

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I'll ask again ... Does this team lack the talent to play .500 ball?

You seem to not want to answer that question. I suppose it's because you don't like the answer.

[gom]

You have less class than a socialist utopia, and the debating skills of a sea turtle.
When you have no comeback to an argument, you either retreat in your shell and refuse to acknowledge what just happened, or you snap and attack the person who exposed you and your weak ass arguments.

I'd end with "At least you're loyal", but so are the ISIS fighters, so for me blind loyalty with complete disregard of any logic or fact is not such a good thing, either.

Godwisis's Law?

Seriously. You might measure your words more. It's likely there are people that have been shot at by ISIS on RealGM.

Agreed. We all know how big the NBA is in the Middle East and even more specifically, NBA message boards.

Americans serving in Iraq and Afghanistan might be into the NBA though, right? I was just pointing out obscene hyperbole, but by all means, carry on.

[heat4life]

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I'll ask again ... Does this team lack the talent to play .500 ball?

You seem to not want to answer that question. I suppose it's because you don't like the answer.

I guess you are having trouble understanding...YES the Heat are talented enough to be at .500 WHEN HEALTHY which they have not been all season. This team (before Dragic) had little room for error....But assume away!

[Slot Machine]

Godwisis's Law?

Seriously. You might measure your words more. It's likely there are people that have been shot at by ISIS on RealGM.

Agreed. We all know how big the NBA is in the Middle East and even more specifically, NBA message boards.

Americans serving in Iraq and Afghanistan might be into the NBA though, right? I was just pointing out obscene hyperbole, but by all means, carry on.

Considering the very few (possibly only one) engagements between U.S. and ISIS forces, I would hope that there aren't many people on here who were shot at by ISIS.

[thinktellectual]

Godwisis's Law?

Seriously. You might measure your words more. It's likely there are people that have been shot at by ISIS on RealGM.

Agreed. We all know how big the NBA is in the Middle East and even more specifically, NBA message boards.

Americans serving in Iraq and Afghanistan might be into the NBA though, right? I was just pointing out obscene hyperbole, but by all means, carry on.

Yeah, you're probably taking that political correctness thing a little too far.
And by "a little" I mean "a lot".

[thinktellectual]

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I'll ask again ... Does this team lack the talent to play .500 ball?

You seem to not want to answer that question. I suppose it's because you don't like the answer.

I guess you are having trouble understanding...YES the Heat are talented enough to be at .500 WHEN HEALTHY which they have not been all season. This team (before Dragic) had little room for error....But assume away!

Wait, wait, wait a minute.
What is this team's ceiling (in your opinion) when healthy ?

Are you telling me Wade, Bosh, Dragic, Deng, Whiteside + whatever else is there, if healthy, are only good enough for .500 ball ?
Or even just Wade, Bosh, Deng and Whiteside, WHEN HEALTHY, were only good enough for .500 ball in the weak ass Eastern Conference ?

Please give me this team's ceiling when healthy, before and after the Dragic trade.
In number of wins in an 82 games season.

[HIF]

Tell me who talked about winning the title ?

And while you're at it, why do you build this strawman ?

I'm replying to contract. I didn't even read your posts.

Just to make it clear, I had ZERO expectations at the start of this season, and somehow Spoelstra managed to have this team fail meeting them. I didn't even think that was possible.

Now that I read this quote I understand why I'll never understand you.

You had zero expectations yet the team failed to meet them.

Moronic statement - or maybe it's so intellectual it's past my understanding.

You have less class than a socialist utopia, and the debating skills of a sea turtle.
When you have no comeback to an argument, you either retreat in your shell and refuse to acknowledge what just happened, or you snap and attack the person who exposed you and your weak ass arguments.

I'd end with "At least you're loyal", but so are the ISIS fighters, so for me blind loyalty with complete disregard of any logic or fact is not such a good thing, either.

You are a great example of a person that is up himself and thinks he's intellectual, When in reality they are an ****.

You must be really mad at how well Beas played tonight.

[heat4life]

I'll ask again ... Does this team lack the talent to play .500 ball?

You seem to not want to answer that question. I suppose it's because you don't like the answer.

I guess you are having trouble understanding...YES the Heat are talented enough to be at .500 WHEN HEALTHY which they have not been all season. This team (before Dragic) had little room for error....But assume away!

Wait, wait, wait a minute.
What is this team's ceiling (in your opinion) when healthy ?

Are you telling me Wade, Bosh, Dragic, Deng, Whiteside + whatever else is there, if healthy, are only good enough for .500 ball ?
Or even just Wade, Bosh, Deng and Whiteside, WHEN HEALTHY, were only good enough for .500 ball in the weak ass Eastern Conference ?

Please give me this team's ceiling when healthy, before and after the Dragic trade.
In number of wins in an 82 games season.

Look, I really don't care to keep discussing this "is all Spo's fault" narrative. It's old and I should've known better. I will however give you the courtesy of a response to your question.

This is all based on what we know today about this team:

Before Whiteside, if a healthy Heat team (with McBob) was a 41-44 win team as many predicted. Our bench was either too young or inexperienced or crap and our PG rotation was horrendous. (This is what I was referring to in my other posts, the Pre-Whiteside era)

With Whiteside (contributing since mid-December), a healthy Heat team that included McRoberts could be 45-48 games. Why? Because our PG situation was still disastrous and there was little contributions from our back court besides Wade.

This new Heat team with Dragic, Bosh/McRoberts and Wade healthy plus more seasoned youngsters? I think they can win 55-58 games and contend with the top of the East.

But again, this is revisionist history now that we know who Cole and Chalmers are, what Deng, Wade and Bosh bring, who Whiteside is and the realities of Ennis, Napier and some of our other promising youngsters. I like what this team (current) could be - with the addition of another scoring swingman perhaps - over the team we started the season with. I'll admit, like most fans I bought into the hype of being able to compete with the big boys with the original roster but reality set in and we were nothing more than a .500 or slightly above team.

[3ballbomber]

I guess you are having trouble understanding...YES the Heat are talented enough to be at .500 WHEN HEALTHY which they have not been all season. This team (before Dragic) had little room for error....But assume away!

Wait, wait, wait a minute.
What is this team's ceiling (in your opinion) when healthy ?

Are you telling me Wade, Bosh, Dragic, Deng, Whiteside + whatever else is there, if healthy, are only good enough for .500 ball ?
Or even just Wade, Bosh, Deng and Whiteside, WHEN HEALTHY, were only good enough for .500 ball in the weak ass Eastern Conference ?

Please give me this team's ceiling when healthy, before and after the Dragic trade.
In number of wins in an 82 games season.

Look, I really don't care to keep discussing this "is all Spo's fault" narrative. It's old and I should've known better. I will however give you the courtesy of a response to your question.

This is all based on what we know today about this team:

Before Whiteside, if a healthy Heat team (with McBob) was a 41-44 win team as many predicted. Our bench was either too young or inexperienced or crap and our PG rotation was horrendous. (This is what I was referring to in my other posts, the Pre-Whiteside era)

With Whiteside (contributing since mid-December), a healthy Heat team that included McRoberts could be 45-48 games. Why? Because our PG situation was still disastrous and there was little contributions from our back court besides Wade.

This new Heat team with Dragic, Bosh/McRoberts and Wade healthy plus more seasoned youngsters? I think they can win 55-58 games and contend with the top of the East.

But again, this is revisionist history now that we know who Cole and Chalmers are, what Deng, Wade and Bosh bring, who Whiteside is and the realities of Ennis, Napier and some of our other promising youngsters. I like what this team (current) could be - with the addition of another scoring swingman perhaps - over the team we started the season with. I'll admit, like most fans I bought into the hype of being able to compete with the big boys with the original roster but reality set in and we were nothing more than a .500 or slightly above team.

preach brah

[thinktellectual]

I guess you are having trouble understanding...YES the Heat are talented enough to be at .500 WHEN HEALTHY which they have not been all season. This team (before Dragic) had little room for error....But assume away!

Wait, wait, wait a minute.
What is this team's ceiling (in your opinion) when healthy ?

Are you telling me Wade, Bosh, Dragic, Deng, Whiteside + whatever else is there, if healthy, are only good enough for .500 ball ?
Or even just Wade, Bosh, Deng and Whiteside, WHEN HEALTHY, were only good enough for .500 ball in the weak ass Eastern Conference ?

Please give me this team's ceiling when healthy, before and after the Dragic trade.
In number of wins in an 82 games season.

Look, I really don't care to keep discussing this "is all Spo's fault" narrative. It's old and I should've known better. I will however give you the courtesy of a response to your question.

This is all based on what we know today about this team:

Before Whiteside, if a healthy Heat team (with McBob) was a 41-44 win team as many predicted. Our bench was either too young or inexperienced or crap and our PG rotation was horrendous. (This is what I was referring to in my other posts, the Pre-Whiteside era)

With Whiteside (contributing since mid-December), a healthy Heat team that included McRoberts could be 45-48 games. Why? Because our PG situation was still disastrous and there was little contributions from our back court besides Wade.

This new Heat team with Dragic, Bosh/McRoberts and Wade healthy plus more seasoned youngsters? I think they can win 55-58 games and contend with the top of the East.

But again, this is revisionist history now that we know who Cole and Chalmers are, what Deng, Wade and Bosh bring, who Whiteside is and the realities of Ennis, Napier and some of our other promising youngsters. I like what this team (current) could be - with the addition of another scoring swingman perhaps - over the team we started the season with. I'll admit, like most fans I bought into the hype of being able to compete with the big boys with the original roster but reality set in and we were nothing more than a .500 or slightly above team.

Thanks for the reply.
I consider your assessments of the team pre-Hassan, post-Hassan and post-Dragic-trade quite correct.
I didn't buy into the contender hype at the start of the season, so you can see I am not an irrational expectations/hopes type of guy. In fact, I tend to be quite pessimistic about stuff. I never get crazy about rookies, I never expected Pittman, Varnado or all those other guys to ever amount to anything - unlike many on this forum.

However, the team currently is at 7 wins below .500, and I don't think you can blame it all on the injuries.
In fact, with the amount of talent on this roster, even with the injuries, the team should be at .500 at least - considering the Heat play in the Eastern Conference.

The Bucks are a prime example of a team that had at least just as many injuries, has much less talent than the Heat (it's not even debatable, it's not even close), and yet they are 6 wins ahead of the Heat. Jason Kidd might be an **** and a terrible human being, but he's a pretty damn good coach. Just consider that last season the Bucks, with pretty much the same roster, gave the Sixers a good run for the worst team in the league.

Back to the Heat, my point is that if your coach costs you 5 to 7 wins per season (and probably a few wins in the playoffs, if you get there), how much more difficult is it for Riley to put together a roster that negates this disadvantage ?
Wouldn't it be a shame to have a championship roster that is derailed by it not being used correctly (which already happened in 2011, BTW) ?
I know that Riley won't fire Spoelstra, and right now I don't even know who he could replace him with, but we can at least acknowledge his shortcomings, can't we ?

[thinktellectual]

You must be really mad at how well Beas played tonight.

Yeah, that's what my life revolves around: how well Beasley played.

[HIF]

You must be really mad at how well Beas played tonight.

Yeah, that's what my life revolves around: how well Beasley played.

Certainly seems to be true.

I'm sad for you.