SAC @ MIA - 7:30PM 03/07/15 ROAD TO THE PLAYOFFS

[Cmon_Son-_-]

Am I the only one who isn't that impressed by Cousins? He seems lazy and easily frustrated. Obviously he's talented but his game does not scream "best big man in the game" to me. Especially because he hardly has any defensive impact. Back when Dwight Howard was in Orlando he was a defensive monster, because of him Orlando was one of the best defensive teams in the league. Cousins doesn't look like he has the ability to be a defensive anchor (at least I haven't seen it). Looking at his play yesterday his game resembles that of a PF's rather than a centers.

He is a PF but because of the Center drought he plays the 5.

[miamicheat703]

small forward in a centers body

[gom]

and to those saying they want cavs in round one..... stop embarrassing the rest of us pls

Why? Can you imagine what an event that would be? We beat the Cavs without Bosh in December. A 7 game series is definitely hard, but would you rather play against the Hawks or Cavs? I don't think we can beat the Hawks in 7 games either.

My preference among the top 4:

1. Toronto - I think we match up well with them. It would still be an extremely tough series, but we won't be pushovers.
2. Chicago - A strong deep team. One I think we can beat but very tough.
3. Cleveland - We will have a great emotional series. Any 7 game series is an adventure.
4. Atlanta - This is a team that can pass like the Spurs and shoot the lights out. I'm not sure we can beat their bench. In fact, we just proved it.


Atlanta is the team I would choose to come out of the East.

I don't think the Cavs catch the Hawks in the East, so it would be great to finish 7th, but we will have to play extremely well in games that we are unlikely to win.

If we are put up against the Cavs we have the advantage of playing against the winner of either Chicago, Milwaukee, Washington, or Toronto after playing a much harder team. The only team that I think we cannot beat is Milwaukee, but Knight was one of the factors before (though it was mainly their defense that killed us) and it will be interesting to see how it works out now.

So, simply put:

1. If we play the Cavs we beat them and then beat either Chicago/Milwaukee or Toronto/Washington.
2. Then we probably lose to the Hawks.

First of all, we actually have to make it to the playoffs. That is far from a foregone conclusion. I mean we couldn't even beat the Wizards. Maybe by then we are better though. There are rumors McRoberts could come back.

I don't like our chances against the cavs in round one, they destroyed us by 30 not long ago and seeing that 4 times isn't gonna be pretty, idc if we did come back from 35 against the wiz, playoffs and lebron is a different animal. But I agree id rather see the raps or Bulls, but mostly raps. And I would LOVE to face Milwaukee, once knight was traded that while team has crumbled, they're going to lose plenty of games, they only won last night because it's the struggling wiz, and it was a close one. But mcw is not going to give them the 20 points that knight gave nightly.

Were you a Heat fan when we beat the Cavs in December or do you think it was a fluke?

[DefenseWins]

That win against the Cavs doesn't mean anything in December lol... They are totally different, and better than 3 months ago

We are more worse despite a lot of changes for the better, but we aren't playing at a high level. Bosh not in the playoffs sucks, you need a guy like him there.

[gom]

We're 2 rings wealthier

Welcome to the Miami Heat forum. Here are a list of the NBA teams with the win-loss record in the NBA championship finals and the date established.

Celtics 17-4 (since 1946)
Lakers 16-15 (since 1948)
Bulls 6-0 (since 1966)
Spurs 5-1 (since 1976)
76ers 3-6 (since 1949)
Pistons 3-4 (since 1948)
Warriors 3-3 (since 1946)
Heat 3-2 (since 1988) <<<<<======
Knicks 2-6 (since 1946)
Rockets 2-2 (since 1967)
Wizards 1-3 (since 1961)
Hawks 1-3 (since 1949)
Supersonics/Thunder 1-3 (since 1967)
TrailBlazers 1-2 (since 1970)
Mavericks 1-1 (since 1980)
Bucks 1-1 (since 1968)
Kings 1-0 (since 1948)
Baltimore Bullets (defunct) 1-0
Nets 0-2 (since 1976)
Magic 0-2 (since 1989)
Suns 0-2 (since 1968)
Jazz 0-2 (since 1974)
Cavs 0-1 (since 1970)
Pacers 0-1 (since 1976)
Chicago Stags 0-1
Washington Capitols 0-1
Hornets 0-0 (since 1988)
Nuggets 0-0 (since 1976)
Braves/Clippers 0-0 (since 1970)
Grizzlies 0-0 (since 1995)
Timberwolves 0-0 (since 1989)
Pelicans 0-0 (since 2002)
Raptors 0-0 (since 1995)

[gom]

That win against the Cavs doesn't mean anything in December lol... They are totally different, and better than 3 months ago

We are more worse despite a lot of changes for the better, but we aren't playing at a high level. Bosh not in the playoffs sucks, you need a guy like him there.

I would still pick the Cavs over the Hawks. Even without Bosh I like the team we have now more than the team in December.

[miamicheat703]

Why? Can you imagine what an event that would be? We beat the Cavs without Bosh in December. A 7 game series is definitely hard, but would you rather play against the Hawks or Cavs? I don't think we can beat the Hawks in 7 games either.

My preference among the top 4:

1. Toronto - I think we match up well with them. It would still be an extremely tough series, but we won't be pushovers.
2. Chicago - A strong deep team. One I think we can beat but very tough.
3. Cleveland - We will have a great emotional series. Any 7 game series is an adventure.
4. Atlanta - This is a team that can pass like the Spurs and shoot the lights out. I'm not sure we can beat their bench. In fact, we just proved it.


Atlanta is the team I would choose to come out of the East.

I don't think the Cavs catch the Hawks in the East, so it would be great to finish 7th, but we will have to play extremely well in games that we are unlikely to win.

If we are put up against the Cavs we have the advantage of playing against the winner of either Chicago, Milwaukee, Washington, or Toronto after playing a much harder team. The only team that I think we cannot beat is Milwaukee, but Knight was one of the factors before (though it was mainly their defense that killed us) and it will be interesting to see how it works out now.

So, simply put:

1. If we play the Cavs we beat them and then beat either Chicago/Milwaukee or Toronto/Washington.
2. Then we probably lose to the Hawks.

First of all, we actually have to make it to the playoffs. That is far from a foregone conclusion. I mean we couldn't even beat the Wizards. Maybe by then we are better though. There are rumors McRoberts could come back.

I don't like our chances against the cavs in round one, they destroyed us by 30 not long ago and seeing that 4 times isn't gonna be pretty, idc if we did come back from 35 against the wiz, playoffs and lebron is a different animal. But I agree id rather see the raps or Bulls, but mostly raps. And I would LOVE to face Milwaukee, once knight was traded that while team has crumbled, they're going to lose plenty of games, they only won last night because it's the struggling wiz, and it was a close one. But mcw is not going to give them the 20 points that knight gave nightly.

Were you a Heat fan when we beat the Cavs in December or do you think it was a fluke?

lol omfg i was a heat fan long before that game in december bro. and thats so long ago i cant remember anything to take away from that game. i wanna say it was our first time playing against lebron since he left. so i was glad we won but not a fan of all the hugging and laughing that was going on, how the hell you gonna hug and laugh with the guy that stabbed you in the back and left your team defenceless and the oick we used to get him was still with cleveland. I DONT REMEMBER HIM SAYING HEY RILEY LETS DO A SIGN AND TRADE SO YALL CAN AT LEAST GET A PICK OR SOME ASSETS BACK, NO!

i have zero respect for how lebron treated riley and conducted himself this last off season, him and his dirty agent, whatever his name is, im glad we didnt go for bledsoe and that cole is gone cause you cannot trust that guy.

AND like defence wins said, they are a completly different team now and will finish with the 2 seed and prob have a better chance at finals than any team in the east, i dont like the haws live by the 3 die by the 3 motto come play off time, didnt work for stan and the magic all those years.

[gom]

lol omfg i was a heat fan long before that game in december bro. and thats so long ago i cant remember anything to take away from that game. i wanna say it was our first time playing against lebron since he left. so i was glad we won but not a fan of all the hugging and laughing that was going on, how the hell you gonna hug and laugh with the guy that stabbed you in the back and left your team defenceless and the oick we used to get him was still with cleveland. I DONT REMEMBER HIM SAYING HEY RILEY LETS DO A SIGN AND TRADE SO YALL CAN AT LEAST GET A PICK OR SOME ASSETS BACK, NO!

i have zero respect for how lebron treated riley and conducted himself this last off season, him and his dirty agent, whatever his name is, im glad we didnt go for bledsoe and that cole is gone cause you cannot trust that guy.

AND like defence wins said, they are a completly different team now and will finish with the 2 seed and prob have a better chance at finals than any team in the east, i dont like the haws live by the 3 die by the 3 motto come play off time, didnt work for stan and the magic all those years.

Lebron was an unrestricted free agent. He had the right to sign with anyone. So, why ever would another team do a sign and trade with us? Why would we choose to reduce him to a commodity? For a first round draft pick? I think we see how Riley values draft picks pretty clearly by now.

The whole idea of Wade/Bosh/James opting out and resigning for lower wages was pure fantasy. Bosh resigned at Max. Wade signed for $15-$16, which for 2/3 of a season that he can play is max too. Fans have to understand that the business side of the NBA goes both ways and players have to defend their rights. When James complained before about owners having the right to ship players off on trades, it is the truth. It is something they live with so it's really hysterically hypocritical to condemn James for leaving when he had a legal right to do so.

The fact is that players have a right to play where they want and once established set their contracts up to give them that power. James didn't owe anything to Cleveland when he came here and sure as hell didn't owe anything to us anymore after 2 rings in 4 years. We paid him. We gave him a stage. He gave us championships.

What Riley and the Heat are trying to do is give the players more subjectively than other teams can to incentivize them to play for us. Consider this when you throw Haslem, Andersen, and Chalmers on the trade block when you inevitably make your terrible trade proposals. One of our assets is a winning culture. One of our assets is player loyalty. One of our assets is community. And, one of our big assets is that Miami is one of the most wonderful places on Earth to live. (See Micky Arison's tweets).

By the way, the name you are looking for is Rich Paul. He is the agent of numerous NBA players (at least 10 according to Hoops Hype and sure to grow). If you are a GM in the NBA you probably have a business relationship with him.

[miamicheat703]

lol omfg i was a heat fan long before that game in december bro. and thats so long ago i cant remember anything to take away from that game. i wanna say it was our first time playing against lebron since he left. so i was glad we won but not a fan of all the hugging and laughing that was going on, how the hell you gonna hug and laugh with the guy that stabbed you in the back and left your team defenceless and the oick we used to get him was still with cleveland. I DONT REMEMBER HIM SAYING HEY RILEY LETS DO A SIGN AND TRADE SO YALL CAN AT LEAST GET A PICK OR SOME ASSETS BACK, NO!

i have zero respect for how lebron treated riley and conducted himself this last off season, him and his dirty agent, whatever his name is, im glad we didnt go for bledsoe and that cole is gone cause you cannot trust that guy.

AND like defence wins said, they are a completly different team now and will finish with the 2 seed and prob have a better chance at finals than any team in the east, i dont like the haws live by the 3 die by the 3 motto come play off time, didnt work for stan and the magic all those years.

Lebron was an unrestricted free agent. He had the right to sign with anyone. So, why ever would another team do a sign and trade with us? Why would we choose to reduce him to a commodity? For a first round draft pick? I think we see how Riley values draft picks pretty clearly by now.

The whole idea of Wade/Bosh/James opting out and resigning for lower wages was pure fantasy. Bosh resigned at Max. Wade signed for $15-$16, which for 2/3 of a season that he can play is max too. Fans have to understand that the business side of the NBA goes both ways and players have to defend their rights. When James complained before about owners having the right to ship players off on trades, it is the truth. It is something they live with so it's really hysterically hypocritical to condemn James for leaving when he had a legal right to do so.

The fact is that players have a right to play where they want and once established set their contracts up to give them that power. James didn't owe anything to Cleveland when he came here and sure as hell didn't owe anything to us anymore after 2 rings in 4 years. We paid him. We gave him a stage. He gave us championships.

What Riley and the Heat are trying to do is give the players more subjectively than other teams can to incentivize them to play for us. Consider this when you throw Haslem, Andersen, and Chalmers on the trade block when you inevitably make your terrible trade proposals. One of our assets is a winning culture. One of our assets is player loyalty. One of our assets is community. And, one of our big assets is that Miami is one of the most wonderful places on Earth to live. (See Micky Arison's tweets).

By the way, the name you are looking for is Rich Paul. He is the agent of numerous NBA players (at least 10 according to Hoops Hype and sure to grow). If you are a GM in the NBA you probably have a business relationship with him.

yes i know he had every right to do so and im sure rich paul and his crew were in his ear about what he should do the entire time. but the way he lead us along, the way he treated riley as if he didnt even know him anymore is truly pussy. scumbag move by lebron the way he left, the secret meeting with dan gilbert and all the others that came out about him which of course the media had no problem with while heat fans had to deal with the aftermath. rich paul is a sleezy person, dont like they guy at all but hes a hustler from the streets so what do you expect lol.

and i agree 100% about what you said about why miamis attractive, but all that said it hasnt done much for us by way f free agents and signings. dragic is the first person im hearing to really comment on what miami stands for and the whole family aspect and everything. really makes me appreciate him a lot and proves riles is doing the right thing. Although the whole FAMILY thing is annoying as hell sometimes. just because were trying to uphold this image of family weve hurt ourselves as a team. and thats the sacrifice riley is amaking but damn. we all know battier shouldn't have played the last year he did. haslem should be retired, and why are we keeping a chucker like bill walker when he hasnt shown anything anybody else could do? because were a family organization and not run like a business most of the time. i wish theyd be tough and just trade and waive when its so obviously needed.

[gom]

lol omfg i was a heat fan long before that game in december bro. and thats so long ago i cant remember anything to take away from that game. i wanna say it was our first time playing against lebron since he left. so i was glad we won but not a fan of all the hugging and laughing that was going on, how the hell you gonna hug and laugh with the guy that stabbed you in the back and left your team defenceless and the oick we used to get him was still with cleveland. I DONT REMEMBER HIM SAYING HEY RILEY LETS DO A SIGN AND TRADE SO YALL CAN AT LEAST GET A PICK OR SOME ASSETS BACK, NO!

i have zero respect for how lebron treated riley and conducted himself this last off season, him and his dirty agent, whatever his name is, im glad we didnt go for bledsoe and that cole is gone cause you cannot trust that guy.

AND like defence wins said, they are a completly different team now and will finish with the 2 seed and prob have a better chance at finals than any team in the east, i dont like the haws live by the 3 die by the 3 motto come play off time, didnt work for stan and the magic all those years.

Lebron was an unrestricted free agent. He had the right to sign with anyone. So, why ever would another team do a sign and trade with us? Why would we choose to reduce him to a commodity? For a first round draft pick? I think we see how Riley values draft picks pretty clearly by now.

The whole idea of Wade/Bosh/James opting out and resigning for lower wages was pure fantasy. Bosh resigned at Max. Wade signed for $15-$16, which for 2/3 of a season that he can play is max too. Fans have to understand that the business side of the NBA goes both ways and players have to defend their rights. When James complained before about owners having the right to ship players off on trades, it is the truth. It is something they live with so it's really hysterically hypocritical to condemn James for leaving when he had a legal right to do so.

The fact is that players have a right to play where they want and once established set their contracts up to give them that power. James didn't owe anything to Cleveland when he came here and sure as hell didn't owe anything to us anymore after 2 rings in 4 years. We paid him. We gave him a stage. He gave us championships.

What Riley and the Heat are trying to do is give the players more subjectively than other teams can to incentivize them to play for us. Consider this when you throw Haslem, Andersen, and Chalmers on the trade block when you inevitably make your terrible trade proposals. One of our assets is a winning culture. One of our assets is player loyalty. One of our assets is community. And, one of our big assets is that Miami is one of the most wonderful places on Earth to live. (See Micky Arison's tweets).

By the way, the name you are looking for is Rich Paul. He is the agent of numerous NBA players (at least 10 according to Hoops Hype and sure to grow). If you are a GM in the NBA you probably have a business relationship with him.

yes i know he had every right to do so and im sure rich paul and his crew were in his ear about what he should do the entire time. but the way he lead us along, the way he treated riley as if he didnt even know him anymore is truly pussy. scumbag move by lebron the way he left, the secret meeting with dan gilbert and all the others that came out about him which of course the media had no problem with while heat fans had to deal with the aftermath. rich paul is a sleezy person, dont like they guy at all but hes a hustler from the streets so what do you expect lol.

and i agree 100% about what you said about why miamis attractive, but all that said it hasnt done much for us by way f free agents and signings. dragic is the first person im hearing to really comment on what miami stands for and the whole family aspect and everything. really makes me appreciate him a lot and proves riles is doing the right thing. Although the whole FAMILY thing is annoying as hell sometimes. just because were trying to uphold this image of family weve hurt ourselves as a team. and thats the sacrifice riley is amaking but damn. we all know battier shouldn't have played the last year he did. haslem should be retired, and why are we keeping a chucker like bill walker when he hasnt shown anything anybody else could do? because were a family organization and not run like a business most of the time. i wish theyd be tough and just trade and waive when its so obviously needed.

Yeah, I disagree with almost everything you are saying, but honestly I haven't talked this much about James since he left, and frankly it's boring. I disagree with every one of your "improvements" suggested. I'd keep Haslem until he's ready to go, Andersen, and Chalmers too. As for Walker, who is on a 2nd 10 day contract at minimum salary, I can't believe you aren't happy with what he's done for us. Did you see the game in Orlando? Whatever. I'm glad we aren't "tough" as some of the other teams. It's an intangible and we need every one of them.

One more thing though: When Dragic signs this summer it won't be because of "family", it will be because we made him a good offer.

That's fine for me. One of the things that I most dislike in my career are companies telling me we are all just a big family. **** that. Seriously. Just pay me and I'll go home and be with my family.

[miamicheat703]

Lebron was an unrestricted free agent. He had the right to sign with anyone. So, why ever would another team do a sign and trade with us? Why would we choose to reduce him to a commodity? For a first round draft pick? I think we see how Riley values draft picks pretty clearly by now.

The whole idea of Wade/Bosh/James opting out and resigning for lower wages was pure fantasy. Bosh resigned at Max. Wade signed for $15-$16, which for 2/3 of a season that he can play is max too. Fans have to understand that the business side of the NBA goes both ways and players have to defend their rights. When James complained before about owners having the right to ship players off on trades, it is the truth. It is something they live with so it's really hysterically hypocritical to condemn James for leaving when he had a legal right to do so.

The fact is that players have a right to play where they want and once established set their contracts up to give them that power. James didn't owe anything to Cleveland when he came here and sure as hell didn't owe anything to us anymore after 2 rings in 4 years. We paid him. We gave him a stage. He gave us championships.

What Riley and the Heat are trying to do is give the players more subjectively than other teams can to incentivize them to play for us. Consider this when you throw Haslem, Andersen, and Chalmers on the trade block when you inevitably make your terrible trade proposals. One of our assets is a winning culture. One of our assets is player loyalty. One of our assets is community. And, one of our big assets is that Miami is one of the most wonderful places on Earth to live. (See Micky Arison's tweets).

By the way, the name you are looking for is Rich Paul. He is the agent of numerous NBA players (at least 10 according to Hoops Hype and sure to grow). If you are a GM in the NBA you probably have a business relationship with him.

yes i know he had every right to do so and im sure rich paul and his crew were in his ear about what he should do the entire time. but the way he lead us along, the way he treated riley as if he didnt even know him anymore is truly pussy. scumbag move by lebron the way he left, the secret meeting with dan gilbert and all the others that came out about him which of course the media had no problem with while heat fans had to deal with the aftermath. rich paul is a sleezy person, dont like they guy at all but hes a hustler from the streets so what do you expect lol.

and i agree 100% about what you said about why miamis attractive, but all that said it hasnt done much for us by way f free agents and signings. dragic is the first person im hearing to really comment on what miami stands for and the whole family aspect and everything. really makes me appreciate him a lot and proves riles is doing the right thing. Although the whole FAMILY thing is annoying as hell sometimes. just because were trying to uphold this image of family weve hurt ourselves as a team. and thats the sacrifice riley is amaking but damn. we all know battier shouldn't have played the last year he did. haslem should be retired, and why are we keeping a chucker like bill walker when he hasnt shown anything anybody else could do? because were a family organization and not run like a business most of the time. i wish theyd be tough and just trade and waive when its so obviously needed.

Yeah, I disagree with almost everything you are saying, but honestly I haven't talked this much about James since he left, and frankly it's boring. I disagree with every one of your "improvements" suggested. I'd keep Haslem until he's ready to go, Andersen, and Chalmers too. As for Walker, who is on a 2nd 10 day contract at minimum salary, I can't believe you aren't happy with what he's done for us. Did you see the game in Orlando? Whatever. I'm glad we aren't "tough" as some of the other teams. It's an intangible and we need every one of them.

One more thing though: When Dragic signs this summer it won't be because of "family", it will be because we made him a good offer.

That's fine for me. One of the things that I most dislike in my career are companies telling me we are all just a big family. **** that. Seriously. Just pay me and I'll go home and be with my family.

WOW you really want haslem back playing next year smh?!?!?!?!? thats a roster spot we could be developing a player with or using on someone who can contribute. thats just not smart bro, anyone will tell you that. Rio we just dont have a need for him anymore, give shabaz his turn, out with the old. and birdman is GREAT! ABSOLUTE RESPECT for him as a man and a player during his time with us, big fan of his. but hell be 38 next year and with whitesides foul trouble id rather have someone more dependable. out of the 3 i want to only see birdam in spot mins for us next year, if thats he case then we should really be contenders.

and walker has hit timley shots for us yes. i did see the orlando game, and every quick 3 he launched up and bricked made me wanna pull my hair out. what happens when hes not hitting those timley shots anymore? then he becomes a guy who isnt known for defence while shooting 11 threes a game and only converting 1. we dont need that.

[miamicheat703]

and if youve read any of dragics interviews youll know that hes been praising the organization and how they treat their players and what not. that will be the big reason he resigns this summer, that and the facts that since were a "family oriented orginazation" hell be offered the max i have no doubt. which i hope wade and riley can talk him into taking less to help u pick up more guys. wade would know since hes sacrificed twice for this team!!

[gom]

WOW you really want haslem back playing next year smh?!?!?!?!? thats a roster spot we could be developing a player with or using on someone who can contribute. thats just not smart bro, anyone will tell you that. Rio we just dont have a need for him anymore, give shabaz his turn, out with the old. and birdman is GREAT! ABSOLUTE RESPECT for him as a man and a player during his time with us, big fan of his. but hell be 38 next year and with whitesides foul trouble id rather have someone more dependable. out of the 3 i want to only see birdam in spot mins for us next year, if thats he case then we should really be contenders.

and walker has hit timley shots for us yes. i did see the orlando game, and every quick 3 he launched up and bricked made me wanna pull my hair out. what happens when hes not hitting those timley shots anymore? then he becomes a guy who isnt known for defence while shooting 11 threes a game and only converting 1. we dont need that.

Where do I start?

1. Shabazz has had plenty of opportunities and isn't ready to start. I was one of his biggest advocates and - you can quote me on this - suspected he would start for us in February. Napier's failure to develop was one of the factors that led to Goran being contracted.

2. Mario Chalmers is our backup shooting guard and rarely starts at point guard anymore. As a player off the bench he does a good job. He makes crucial steals and is a decent defender.

3. Birdman is sixth on the team - right behind Deng - with a 15.9 PER. He gives us a solid 20 minutes a night. As a bench player he is a pretty good asset. We don't need him to start if we have Whiteside and Bosh, but he can have a seat next to McRoberts and Chalmers.

4. Haslem is the captain of our team. He is a locker room leader. He does not have the physical tools he once had but at least I don't cringe when he takes a jump shot. Also, he's not having a bad year and is willing to make any sacrifice to win. I think we owe him the courtesy of choosing when to hang it up.

With respect to Walker, I'm honestly divided. I do like the effort he is putting forth and I think he will shoot better after he has more certainty and familiarity with the players. My only worry with him is that he does not take shots when he is wide open and that's because he doesn't have confidence. That is bad and he needs to get past it. At the same time he hits critical shots some times and can make great dunks too. It's worth giving him a chance.

I do recognize the need for a backup center and some help at small forward. I'm pretty confident we'll have a plan this summer. Right now, we need to work with what we have.

[gom]

and if youve read any of dragics interviews youll know that hes been praising the organization and how they treat their players and what not. that will be the big reason he resigns this summer, that and the facts that since were a "family oriented orginazation" hell be offered the max i have no doubt. which i hope wade and riley can talk him into taking less to help u pick up more guys. wade would know since hes sacrificed twice for this team!!

That's pretty naïve.

[miamicheat703]

and if youve read any of dragics interviews youll know that hes been praising the organization and how they treat their players and what not. that will be the big reason he resigns this summer, that and the facts that since were a "family oriented orginazation" hell be offered the max i have no doubt. which i hope wade and riley can talk him into taking less to help u pick up more guys. wade would know since hes sacrificed twice for this team!!

That's pretty naïve.

whats naive about that? hes not lebron whos going to make an elaborate ploy to not return to this team after saying multiple times that those are his intentions lol. come on bro really at have a logical rebuttal. dragix doesnt have sleezy rich paul in his ear telling him what to do, hes spoke his mind freely this entire year and THAT TAKES BALLS. love that man, his numbers are going to be down tho next year with how great a starting 5 were potentially going to have.

[gom]

and if youve read any of dragics interviews youll know that hes been praising the organization and how they treat their players and what not. that will be the big reason he resigns this summer, that and the facts that since were a "family oriented orginazation" hell be offered the max i have no doubt. which i hope wade and riley can talk him into taking less to help u pick up more guys. wade would know since hes sacrificed twice for this team!!

That's pretty naïve.

whats naive about that? hes not lebron whos going to make an elaborate ploy to not return to this team after saying multiple times that those are his intentions lol. come on bro really at have a logical rebuttal. dragix doesnt have sleezy rich paul in his ear telling him what to do, hes spoke his mind freely this entire year and THAT TAKES BALLS. love that man, his numbers are going to be down tho next year with how great a starting 5 were potentially going to have.

A logical rebuttal, bro? One that fits your schema of false representations? You know these are real people, right?

Dragic forced his way out of the Suns and said things he regrets (he said that) about the Suns ownership. Do you consider that a good indicator?

Lebron had no elaborate ploy at all. Most everyone believed he would go back to Cleveland. He actually shows an elite intelligence about player's rights which I'm sure is a big reason that he and Chris Paul are the two player PA reps.

Most Heat fans understand that Lebron saw the Miami window as closing. A little secret? Most of us agree with him. What has happened this year with Whiteside, TJ, and the rest is entirely unexpected. It just goes to show that you shouldn't make precipitated decisions. Last I checked, though, Lebron seems to be doing fine and the Cavs have a chance.

That's the reason why a victory over the Cavs in the postseason would be so satisfying. I honestly wouldn't care about what happens with the rest of the season, although my fantasy is still another ring for the guys who stayed before Lebron gets his. It would be just exactly perfect.

This has been a nice chat, but I have to go, MiamiCheat703.

[HIF]

What a ride.

At times we looked terrible and then we looked like champions.

ANOTHER example of Spo mixing and matching to try and find the right solution for the night. Why people like WD continue to drone on about his inability to adapt or to try new things or to play youth when the the facts are so clear that he does annoys me totally.

We were getting stuffed and we didn't have Whiteside to help in the paint so we went to a Zone for longer than we 've seen it in 20 years with Beasley taking care of Cousins. what a master stroke.

These players will NEVER have practiced a Zone together before. Spo IS a genius. Basically a dleague/rookie team coming together without practice time. Proud to be a heatlifer.