You know what? Screw this season!

[gom]

Fluminense, in Rio de Janeiro, was a feeder club for Manchester United. That's how they got Rafael, the right back that has played for Brazil. So, it can be effective. São Paulo had the same arrangement with a few different teams (we did it with a team in Paraná a while back and were able to give minutes on the field to players we never could have given a chance to). We stashed Rodrigo Caio like that. The trend in Brazil now is that small clubs are being entirely funded by European agents, who then resell the players to teams in Europe. It's a big business and they can often build fairly competitive teams, while getting both their fee and a good part of the "passe" of the player (his rights essentially).

I wasn't really criticizing the coaching at the Euro level. I think that the game in the NBA is much more physical though and players who eventual destination is the NBA should be coached differently. Again, it's just an idea, but it seems a way of stashing talent we could later use. The limitation of 15 players on the roster limits our ability to develop players.

So, that recording is just an ESPN announcer saying what Kobe said and not Kobe actually saying it, which is kind of funny. It's hearsay and though I don't doubt the truth in his comments, it really isn't very good proof of *what* and *how* the points he is making are expressed. They may be entirely out of context.

[deb]

Fluminense, in Rio de Janeiro, was a feeder club for Manchester United. That's how they got Rafael, the right back that has played for Brazil. So, it can be effective. São Paulo had the same arrangement with a few different teams (we did it with a team in Paraná a while back and were able to give minutes on the field to players we never could have given a chance to). We stashed Rodrigo Caio like that. The trend in Brazil now is that small clubs are being entirely funded by European agents, who then resell the players to teams in Europe. It's a big business and they can often build fairly competitive teams, while getting both their fee and a good part of the "passe" of the player (his rights essentially).

I wasn't really criticizing the coaching at the Euro level. I think that the game in the NBA is much more physical though and players who eventual destination is the NBA should be coached differently. Again, it's just an idea, but it seems a way of stashing talent we could later use. The limitation of 15 players on the roster limits our ability to develop players.

So, that recording is just an ESPN announcer saying what Kobe said and not Kobe actually saying it, which is kind of funny. It's hearsay and though I don't doubt the truth in his comments, it really isn't very good proof of *what* and *how* the points he is making are expressed. They may be entirely out of context.

Yeah, read the article below the video for Kobe quotes...

"I just think European players are just way more skillful," Bryant said Friday night after the Los Angeles Lakers' 109-106 loss to the Memphis Grizzlies. "They are just taught the game the right way at an early age. ... They're more skillful. It's something we really have to fix. We really have to address that. We have to teach our kids to play the right way."

All of this is getting very off-topic. So for American non-soccer fans maybe don't read on? I promise it's the last one...

Maybe I should look more carefully at feeder clubs in soccer, but in my experience it's often not really worth it (for both sides). I'm most familiar with a club in Slovenian soccer league that is a feeder club for Parma. The Slovenian feeder club was competitive in the league last year, but fielded pretty much only Parma scrubs, there was constant player turnover and minimal youth development. This year Parma is virtually bankrupt and so is their Slovenian feeder club which is currently tied for 8th place (10 teams in the league...)
As for the Man Utd Fluminense link, there are no English coaches or players at Fluminense, Kennedy is also reportedly a transfer target for half of Europe, meaning Man Utd will have to bid for him. So I don't see Man Utd getting a lot from Fluminense, maybe a bit of scouting knowledge and a slight transfer preference...
Now Belgian clubs are money as far as English clubs are concerned because you get citizenship after three years and quickly circumvent the need for a work permit (which is basically cheating your country's legislature...). Those are the only feeder clubs I see as really effective outside third world countries where parent clubs build basic infrastructure and popularize the game.

As for agents owning player rights, that practice should be banned from sports imo. It's like investment banking, you spend pennies on young kids hoping to cash in when they transfer to a bigger club. The problem is, the club that actually developed the player then only gets breadrcrumbs while the agent pockets the profits.

[Temuhjan]

I don't think I'd feel comfortable for a deep playoff run with Rio as our main guard backup. As you said, Mario giveth and Wario taketh. Last year, he never really gave, he just took. A lot.

Really it was just in the NBA finals that he was terrible. He really stepped up too when Wade was down. That's a big deal for me.

He was bad pretty much all off last year's playoffs.

We could have gotten Jeff Teague or Isaiah Thomas for a couple mil more than Rio last summer. I am glad we have Dragon now.

Anyway, since Rio and Bird have expiring contracts, we can use them as trade baits for a proper addition next winter.

[Temuhjan]

Fluminense, in Rio de Janeiro, was a feeder club for Manchester United. That's how they got Rafael, the right back that has played for Brazil. So, it can be effective. São Paulo had the same arrangement with a few different teams (we did it with a team in Paraná a while back and were able to give minutes on the field to players we never could have given a chance to). We stashed Rodrigo Caio like that.

Rafael offered a girl he met at the nightclub 10k for some 3P action last week. What a sicko!!

[gom]

Fluminense, in Rio de Janeiro, was a feeder club for Manchester United. That's how they got Rafael, the right back that has played for Brazil. So, it can be effective. São Paulo had the same arrangement with a few different teams (we did it with a team in Paraná a while back and were able to give minutes on the field to players we never could have given a chance to). We stashed Rodrigo Caio like that.

Rafael offered a girl he met at the nightclub 10k for some 3P action last week. What a sicko!!

That's pretty tame actually and 10K he probably found in the creases of his sofa.

[gom]

As for agents owning player rights, that practice should be banned from sports imo. It's like investment banking, you spend pennies on young kids hoping to cash in when they transfer to a bigger club. The problem is, the club that actually developed the player then only gets breadrcrumbs while the agent pockets the profits.

This ^^^^^^^^ A million times over. It's ingrained in the system though. Anyway, great chat - I agree with about 90% of what you're saying. The Flu-ManU thing fell apart a few years ago. City used Corinthians for some of the same thing. That's how Tevez was bought out and taken to City and now Juve. I really dislike Tevez. Not only did he play for our rival (but never scored once on us), he also spit in the Brazilian manager's water on television. He is a very good player though, low center of gravity, dribbles like a maniac, and can shoot like a bullet.

Anyway, my point is that building a farm team outside of the country is a way to circumvent the roster limitations. If the owner owns two clubs or they have an arrangement with another club, then it's a great way to develop players for the future and control their rights until they can take a place on the team. What would be better is if each NBA club could have rights to a few players in the D-League, but that's not likely going to happen.

[HIF]

Yeah, Euro affiliate is a pipe dream imo. Better Euroleague teams are established brands in Europe and would probably benefit very little from the Heat. They wouldn't be playoff material in the NBA but they could win a couple games and probably manage this years Knicks/Lakers record. It would be like trying to affiliate 76ers imo.
To start from scratch and try to create a Euroleague team from nothing on the other hand would be a very long, expensive and convoluted process.

Data is hard to come by, but to the best of my knowledge average Euroleague team budget is around 15 million €/year. Euroleague is also a very competitive league, there is no tanking, if you're bad you're out, it would be difficult to concentrate on producing players for the Heat and being competitive at the same time.

Also, NBA coaching is not much of a boon for European teams... Not one of the current Euroleague headcoaches is American, In fact I can only remember two American coaches with successful European careers, D'Antoni and Blatt, but I would actually consider both to be more Euro coaches though, as they came over as players and then started their coaching careers in Europe.

The NBA could make the UK a farm system. Then perhaps the UK teams could actually become involved in the Euroleague. The language barrier, cost and cultural difficulties would be less too.

[HEATVols865]

Hear me out...this new team is fun and we will make it to the playoffs and bounce.

But next season...this team will be sick and yes we can compete for the East my friends...

21. Whiteside / 11. Andersen
1. Bosh / 4. McRoberts / 40. Haslem
9. Deng / 30. Beasley / 32. Ennis / 5. Walker
3. Wade / 15. Chalmers / 12. Z. Dragic
7. G. Dragic / 8. T. Johnson / 13. S. Napier

That's a really good roster mixing youth and experience. The only position I think it needs to get better depth wise is the 3 if Beasley doesn't get his ish together.

Our starting 5 is awesome and I'm sure Riley can dangle that solid team to FAs looking for a deal and a shot at competing.

The core of Wade, Bosh, Dragic and Whiteside will make us very happy for years and years to come!


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no, not screw this season.....have you not seen what Wade is trying to do out there? have you not been watching the man beast for a playoff surge? yes it is our focus to make playoffs. We need to get Whiteside's feet wet, we need to experience the playoffs as a team in order to achieve better chemistry together. We need the experience under our belts for those who lack playoffs experience. This to me is vital moving forward to next season that you ar excited about. You do not want our young and new players to be like deers in headlights out there come post season.

Yeah you have a valid point about playoff experience. Hassan needs to control his anger lol


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[DayofMourning]

Yeah, Euro affiliate is a pipe dream imo. Better Euroleague teams are established brands in Europe and would probably benefit very little from the Heat. They wouldn't be playoff material in the NBA but they could win a couple games and probably manage this years Knicks/Lakers record. It would be like trying to affiliate 76ers imo.
To start from scratch and try to create a Euroleague team from nothing on the other hand would be a very long, expensive and convoluted process.

Data is hard to come by, but to the best of my knowledge average Euroleague team budget is around 15 million €/year. Euroleague is also a very competitive league, there is no tanking, if you're bad you're out, it would be difficult to concentrate on producing players for the Heat and being competitive at the same time.

Also, NBA coaching is not much of a boon for European teams... Not one of the current Euroleague headcoaches is American, In fact I can only remember two American coaches with successful European careers, D'Antoni and Blatt, but I would actually consider both to be more Euro coaches though, as they came over as players and then started their coaching careers in Europe.

The NBA could make the UK a farm system. Then perhaps the UK teams could actually become involved in the Euroleague. The language barrier, cost and cultural difficulties would be less too.

Are you talking about Europe, or the University of Kentucky;)

[RexBoyWonder]

I have some thoughts about next season but it's really to early to get into, we're in the middle of great playoffs push. Going to let it play out, things will get clearer.

[HIF]

Yeah, Euro affiliate is a pipe dream imo. Better Euroleague teams are established brands in Europe and would probably benefit very little from the Heat. They wouldn't be playoff material in the NBA but they could win a couple games and probably manage this years Knicks/Lakers record. It would be like trying to affiliate 76ers imo.
To start from scratch and try to create a Euroleague team from nothing on the other hand would be a very long, expensive and convoluted process.

Data is hard to come by, but to the best of my knowledge average Euroleague team budget is around 15 million €/year. Euroleague is also a very competitive league, there is no tanking, if you're bad you're out, it would be difficult to concentrate on producing players for the Heat and being competitive at the same time.

Also, NBA coaching is not much of a boon for European teams... Not one of the current Euroleague headcoaches is American, In fact I can only remember two American coaches with successful European careers, D'Antoni and Blatt, but I would actually consider both to be more Euro coaches though, as they came over as players and then started their coaching careers in Europe.

The NBA could make the UK a farm system. Then perhaps the UK teams could actually become involved in the Euroleague. The language barrier, cost and cultural difficulties would be less too.

Are you talking about Europe, or the University of Kentucky;)

According to A great ex NBA coach the uni of Kentucky are already better than NBA teams.

[Temuhjan]

The NBA could make the UK a farm system. Then perhaps the UK teams could actually become involved in the Euroleague. The language barrier, cost and cultural difficulties would be less too.

Are you talking about Europe, or the University of Kentucky;)

According to A great ex NBA coach the uni of Kentucky are already better than NBA teams.

You mean this ol' fool?
[tweet]https://twitter.com/KySportsRadio/status/578255333887340544[/tweet]

[HIF]

I do. But he was actually a very good coach.

[insfo]

I do. But he was actually a very good coach.

What would you know about good coaches .. you have a picture of Spo as your avi

[insfo]

Anyway, speaking of Spo and since some of the discussion centers around the lack of player development here compared to Europe .. here is a nice article about what he is trying to do at a grassroots level ...

http://www.nba.com/heat/news/kids-game

Read & React Y'all

[Dupas]

What about we try to get ajinca in the off season? Having mc roberts and ajinca coming off the bench is brutal

[Temuhjan]

What about we try to get ajinca in the off season? Having mc roberts and ajinca coming off the bench is brutal

I'd rather get a sharpshooting SF with our MLE. He will space the floor for Flash and make the Team super-lethal.

[KingDavid]

What about we try to get ajinca in the off season? Having mc roberts and ajinca coming off the bench is brutal

We need a backup SG more than anything.

Ajinca is putting up numbers in a contract year, he's going to get paid and start for a bad team.

[Temuhjan]

What about we try to get ajinca in the off season? Having mc roberts and ajinca coming off the bench is brutal

We need a backup SG more than anything.

Ajinca is putting up numbers in a contract year, he's going to get paid and start for a bad team.

I think we'd already got our man in Zoran.