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[batterybro42]

This thread is just absurd, what did you guys expect?...seriously

How can you even coach a team, when your lineup and players change day to day?

Spoiled fans man, shameful. You people who want to dump Spo, are no worse than LeBron for ditching us when things go tough. Getting rid of SPO at this point in time would go against everything we stand for as a franchise. He is a Heat lifer until it becomes painfully obvious he is not fit to coach here. We are so unbelievably far from that point

[HIF]

You've got to love the Spo fans. It makes me wonder what they think Ron Rothstein, Kevin Loughery, Alvin Gentry, and Stan van Gundy would've done with a team stacked with prime Lebron, prime DWade, and prime Bosh.

When you have the best talent in the NBA ... you're supposed to win.

Many teams have great talent in the NBA.

If what you say goes then the Spurs would have been champions for the last 13 years. There talent level has been higher than everyone elses for that long and they have Pops.

We did fantastically well to win 3 championships in 10 years.

You are deluded if you think the Spurs had the most talent on their roster over the last 13 years.

Let's not forget that up to 2004 the Lakers were still together, and Payton-Kobe-Malone-Shaq had more talent than the Spurs roster at the time.
The Suns with Nash-Marion-Amare had more talent.
The Celtics with their big 3 had more talent.
The Lakers with Kobe-Odom-Pau-Bynum had more talent.

As soon as Pops got someone (Kawhi) to replace Manu in the big 3 (Manu is 36 in case you didn't know), the Spurs started making WCF and finals again. They barely lost in 2012 in the WCF against OKC, and that's because Kawhi was still a rookie and OKC with Westbrook-Harden-Durant-Ibaka were more talented.

Whatever mate.

If you think the Heat roster was better than the Spurs roster at anytime over the last 13 years than I think you're the deluded one.

But haterz gotta hate so they say.

[Sc0pe92]

We need to draft tyus jones

[batterybro42]

We need to draft tyus jones

Yah man Shane Larkin will totally change the course of our franchise...

[mckizz561]

Sometimes I truly hate some Heat fans. The fact that there is a board pretty much asking for a replacement is despicable.... so disrespectful! (Stephen A would agree)

We win 2 NBA championships, 4 straight finals, and yall are asking for blood b/c he's had to deal w/ an injury plagued, d-league all star team. The starting rotation has been a revolving door this year. No continuity. And you're asking so much from a team that just the best player in the world. So if my math serves me right you're assuming:
2014 Heat - LeBron - Ray Allen - James Jones* - Norris Cole - Shane Battier - Rashard Lewis - Bosh (out for season) + Dragic +/- McBob (out for season) +/- Shabazz (out for season) + Deng (in and out with injuries) + Billy Walker + Ennis + Tyler Johnson + Whiteside = 2015 NBA championship?

* Yes, you can argue that some of these players didn't get much playing time but if we're going for a one year review... I'd take James Jones, Ray Allen, etc.. over Walker, Ennis, Johnson, etc.. Don't get me wrong, I like Ennis and Johnson but don't expect them to dominate the league after the first year. Players need time man.

This team had the most change from last year out of any team in the NBA, the most injuries, and you guys are acting like nothing should change.

And if I remember correctly, Coach K got his ass bounced last year by Mercer... and then he reloaded this year w/ the most McDonalds All Americans (tied w/ Kentucky I believe).

So Coach Spo w/o his all stars should equate to Coach K w/ a team full of College All-Stars. Show some respect for the dude. I love you Spo. I always have loyalty to the Heat.

[Flashpoint]

I'm a Heat fan.. since when did Spo become the living embodiment of the Heat. Some of us were rooting for the Heat when Bimbo Coles was running the point while Spoelstra was leading Portland State to victory over Southern Duluth A/C Repair College. Wade, Riley, UD, ZO, they've all earned their places with this franchise. I can just as easily see Spo coaching Sacramento to the Western cellar in a couple years. You all are really kidding yourselves if you believe the recent success this franchise had was due to Spo or that it couldn't be replicated by any number of professional coaches and in many cases far exceeded.

I'm hard on the guy, but I don't like Spo as a coach. That became clear to me a long time ago. I don't see a reason for Coach K to ever leave Duke at this stage of his life. Donovan is much more likely. But to my thinking there's a long list of coaches I believe could do a better job than what we're getting.

[goodboy]

Sometimes I truly hate some Heat fans. The fact that there is a board pretty much asking for a replacement is despicable.... so disrespectful! (Stephen A would agree)

We win 2 NBA championships, 4 straight finals, and yall are asking for blood b/c he's had to deal w/ an injury plagued, d-league all star team. The starting rotation has been a revolving door this year. No continuity. And you're asking so much from a team that just the best player in the world. So if my math serves me right you're assuming:
2014 Heat - LeBron - Ray Allen - James Jones* - Norris Cole - Shane Battier - Rashard Lewis - Bosh (out for season) + Dragic +/- McBob (out for season) +/- Shabazz (out for season) + Deng (in and out with injuries) + Billy Walker + Ennis + Tyler Johnson + Whiteside = 2015 NBA championship?

* Yes, you can argue that some of these players didn't get much playing time but if we're going for a one year review... I'd take James Jones, Ray Allen, etc.. over Walker, Ennis, Johnson, etc.. Don't get me wrong, I like Ennis and Johnson but don't expect them to dominate the league after the first year. Players need time man.

This team had the most change from last year out of any team in the NBA, the most injuries, and you guys are acting like nothing should change.

And if I remember correctly, Coach K got his ass bounced last year by Mercer... and then he reloaded this year w/ the most McDonalds All Americans (tied w/ Kentucky I believe).

So Coach Spo w/o his all stars should equate to Coach K w/ a team full of College All-Stars. Show some respect for the dude. I love you Spo. I always have loyalty to the Heat.

I stopped reading there, even if it was meant for a joke/pun.

[PaulieWal]

I am not a hardcore Spo fan like some of the posters here but those saying he had prime Wade, Bosh, and LeBron need to be honest. We didn't have Bosh for 9 playoff games in 2012 and Wade really hasn't been in his prime since 2012. He had a good 2013 regular season but in the playoffs he was hampered by his knees before having an okay finals. In 2014 it was the same story.

With the talent level we had and with the limitations of the roster (no true big man, no good ball-handler other than LeBron/Wade) we did pretty okay.

All of that being said the truth is somewhere in the middle. I have always believed that Spo is a good game to game strategist but his biggest weakness is in-game coaching IMO. Some people forget he's still in his early 40s. There's no way you give up on a top 10 coach in the NBA right now in his 40s. Sure if he doesn't get better at all for the next 3-4 years and the team under-performs then you make a change but right it is far more likely that he gets better than him being a finished product.

One thing that does irk me how he refused to change our defense last year when players were publicly complaining about how taxing the scheme was but the man would not budge. The second thing that really annoyed me last year was the offensive box he put Bosh in. Remember those games with no Wade and Allen/Chalmers/Cole would take as many or more shots than Bosh. When asked about it he said he refused to change the offensive system. I really do think Bosh should have been made the official 2nd option last year.

[DefenseWins]

I am not a hardcore Spo fan like some of the posters here but those saying he had prime Wade, Bosh, and LeBron need to be honest. We didn't have Bosh for 9 playoff games in 2012 and Wade really hasn't been in his prime since 2012. He had a good 2013 regular season but in the playoffs he was hampered by his knees before having an okay finals. In 2014 it was the same story.

With the talent level we had and with the limitations of the roster (no true big man, no good ball-handler other than LeBron/Wade) we did pretty okay.

All of that being said the truth is somewhere in the middle. I have always believed that Spo is a good game to game strategist but his biggest weakness is in-game coaching IMO. Some people forget he's still in his early 40s. There's no way you give up on a top 10 coach in the NBA right now in his 40s. Sure if he doesn't get better at all for the next 3-4 years and the team under-performs then you make a change but right it is far more likely that he gets better than him being a finished product.

One thing that does irk me how he refused to change our defense last year when players were publicly complaining about how taxing the scheme was but the man would not budge. The second thing that really annoyed me last year was the offensive box he put Bosh in. Remember those games with no Wade and Allen/Chalmers/Cole would take as many or more shots than Bosh. When asked about it he said he refused to change the offensive system. I really do think Bosh should have been made the official 2nd option last year.

I know we dont like to talk about him now, but 2012 was Lebrons year and why we were able to beat Boston in 7 games with no Bosh. Well Bosh showed up the last few games but not until the last game he really did anything. Game 6 boston, game 6 cause of ray vs spurs. This team has had luck and astronomical talent on its side.

It may take a few losing seasons ( or one hopefully ) for Spo to really figure things out. This season reminds me of 2011. Obviously our success and injuries, as well as talent is not the same, but that 2011 team gave up so many leads and lost at the buzzer, and it robbed us of another title thanks to game 2 finals. A team that was lost, stagnant on offense despite having the 3 best players in their prime. We dont have that luxury anymore and this is the result.

It wasnt until some stuff behind the scenes, like Wade telling LBJ he is the main one on offense now, and acquiring shane battier (most underrated signing, too bad he broke down last year). Spo got into this groove of spacing, then we had speed with lebron obviously. We won in 2012 because lebron was on another planet and saved us in game 6, not because Spo did anything special. Pacers series lebron put up huge numbers and wade had some good games (struggled early) for us to take that series. Its always been talent driven

Then we got Ray allen and obviously, he bailed us out too.

This team after that 2011 season tho never gave up leads again to lose at the buzzer, well i dont remember any. That finals game haunted that group, and i hope next year their priority is being a better 2nd half team. That Big 3 heat team didnt have an identity til their 2nd year, so again i hope we can be good next season and it will start with Spo strategizing how this team can work. Bosh and Dragic can be great, they are perfect together IMO.

[PaulieWal]

I know we dont like to talk about him now, but 2012 was Lebrons year and why we were able to beat Boston in 7 games with no Bosh. Well Bosh showed up the last few games but not until the last game he really did anything. Game 6 boston, game 6 cause of ray vs spurs. This team has had luck and astronomical talent on its side.

It may take a few losing seasons ( or one hopefully ) for Spo to really figure things out. This season reminds me of 2011. Obviously our success and injuries, as well as talent is not the same, but that 2011 team gave up so many leads and lost at the buzzer, and it robbed us of another title thanks to game 2 finals. A team that was lost, stagnant on offense despite having the 3 best players in their prime. We dont have that luxury anymore and this is the result.

It wasnt until some stuff behind the scenes, like Wade telling LBJ he is the main one on offense now, and acquiring shane battier (most underrated signing, too bad he broke down last year). Spo got into this groove of spacing, then we had speed with lebron obviously. We won in 2012 because lebron was on another planet and saved us in game 6, not because Spo did anything special. Pacers series lebron put up huge numbers and wade had some good games (struggled early) for us to take that series. Its always been talent driven

Then we got Ray allen and obviously, he bailed us out too.

This team after that 2011 season tho never gave up leads again to lose at the buzzer, well i dont remember any. That finals game haunted that group, and i hope next year their priority is being a better 2nd half team. That Big 3 heat team didnt have an identity til their 2nd year, so again i hope we can be good next season and it will start with Spo strategizing how this team can work. Bosh and Dragic can be great, they are perfect together IMO.

It goes both ways though. Yeah, LeBron was possessed in 2012 but Spo also convinced him to move to the 4. That's huge and look at LeBron's efficiency when he was here. By all accounts LeBron hates playing the 4 but Spo had him buy-in after the loss against Dallas and we rode that to 2 titles + 3 more Finals. It doesn't get talked about enough but Spo was also the one who showed LeBron his efficient spots on the floor after the loss and that's why we saw LeBron eliminate certain shots from his game. Obviously LeBron worked hard on his own and got better shooting + post-game but Spo had a huge role in helping the team figure out the whole pace and space offense. Some may not want to talk about it now but after Bosh went down Riley wanted to play big against the Pacers but Spo stuck to his guns and went small and rest is history.

We lost a lot of close games in 2011 because the team had no offensive identity and we were getting by on the raw talent of Wade and LeBron. Any championship team will need some luck and heroic performances, but shouldn't take away from the coach IMO. Yeah, Pop is a genius but it was the players on the floor who shot 70% or whatever the f*** they shot in game 3 1st half, not the coach.

I agree that Spo probably needs some more experience under the belt but my main point was that love him or hate him he's still a top 10 coach in the league and you don't let him go when he's still so young. It's not like he's 65 and set in his ways .

I know this season has been cursed and I am sure Spo could have done better but how much better do people think we would be with a better coach than Spo? 5 wins? 7 wins? Dragic has been here for a while now and people are forgetting the utter crap that is Cole and Rio. They were statistically THE WORST PG rotation in the league. Spo can't do anything if he's running with Cole/Rio and a 33 year old Wade. With the injuries we have had and the talent we have this is at best a 40-45 (gotta account for the fact that Dragic only came here at the trade deadline) win team IMO (and that would mean everything goes right and our players stay healthy).

[Slot Machine]

Funny to me how the some of the same people calling Spo a "Heat lifer" are also the same ones who want Rio gone.

[heat4life]

I am not a hardcore Spo fan like some of the posters here but those saying he had prime Wade, Bosh, and LeBron need to be honest. We didn't have Bosh for 9 playoff games in 2012 and Wade really hasn't been in his prime since 2012. He had a good 2013 regular season but in the playoffs he was hampered by his knees before having an okay finals. In 2014 it was the same story.

With the talent level we had and with the limitations of the roster (no true big man, no good ball-handler other than LeBron/Wade) we did pretty okay.

All of that being said the truth is somewhere in the middle. I have always believed that Spo is a good game to game strategist but his biggest weakness is in-game coaching IMO. Some people forget he's still in his early 40s. There's no way you give up on a top 10 coach in the NBA right now in his 40s. Sure if he doesn't get better at all for the next 3-4 years and the team under-performs then you make a change but right it is far more likely that he gets better than him being a finished product.

One thing that does irk me how he refused to change our defense last year when players were publicly complaining about how taxing the scheme was but the man would not budge. The second thing that really annoyed me last year was the offensive box he put Bosh in. Remember those games with no Wade and Allen/Chalmers/Cole would take as many or more shots than Bosh. When asked about it he said he refused to change the offensive system. I really do think Bosh should have been made the official 2nd option last year.

I agree with you in regards to Spo in-game adjustments. Not one of the best but definitely something that should get better with experience. I mean, it's easier when you have LeBron, Wade and Bosh. This season, there must be more strategy to his moves. He's been successful in some and failed in others. I guess we'll see how evolves.

I also though that Bosh should have taken a bigger role the last two seasons over Wade. It would've been a touchy subject but I think we cheated ourselves by not featuring Bosh more often, especially early in games.

[insfo]

Funny to me how the some of the same people calling Spo a "Heat lifer" are also the same ones who want Rio gone.

I seriously doubt this .. but then every one seems to want Rio gone .. so the probability of you being right are quite high .. which is maybe what you were counting on in the first place?

[El Alonzo scowl]

I went overboard with the name-calling of Spo in the Pistons GT. I should not have done that and I apologize for my behavior. It was in the heat of the moment as I was completely furious. But I still do think the Heat need a head coach with better tactical acumen than Spo. Spo is a good motivator and ego manager, he was the right coach for the Big 3 era. But this team now has a lot of vets that are ready to win now. We need a coach to maximize their collective basketball skill. We were able to get away with wasting some of it during the Big 3 era just because of how good they were and because of weird flaws in the roster that forced guys into roles. But we no longer have that kind of extraordinary talent.

However, our healthy starting 5 complement each other perfectly and are well balanced. To truly contend, our starting (and really, finishing) healthy 5 need to play lethal team basketball. Look at the Hawks, they have no business winning as many games as they do but that's because they're better than the sum of their individual parts. The Spurs are better than the sum of their parts and they're a dynasty because their individual parts are scary good and their team ball is even scarier good. It's the tactical system and personnel fit that allows this. We need a system that can allow our good individual parts to be an even better collective unit. I don't believe that Coach Spo can devise a tactical system that can produce collective play that transcends the individual talent.

[RexBoyWonder]

I went overboard with the name-calling of Spo in the Pistons GT. I should not have done that and I apologize for my behavior. It was in the heat of the moment as I was completely furious. But I still do think the Heat need a head coach with better tactical acumen than Spo. Spo is a good motivator and ego manager, he was the right coach for the Big 3 era. But this team now has a lot of vets that are ready to win now. We need a coach to maximize their collective basketball skill. We were able to get away with wasting some of it during the Big 3 era just because of how good they were and because of weird flaws in the roster that forced guys into roles. But we no longer have that kind of extraordinary talent.

However, our healthy starting 5 complement each other perfectly and are well balanced. To truly contend, our starting (and really, finishing) healthy 5 need to play lethal team basketball. Look at the Hawks, they have no business winning as many games as they do but that's because they're better than the sum of their individual parts. The Spurs are better than the sum of their parts and they're a dynasty because their individual parts are scary good and their team ball is even scarier good. It's the tactical system and personnel fit that allows this. We need a system that can allow our good individual parts to be an even better collective unit. I don't believe that Coach Spo can devise a tactical system that can produce collective play that transcends the individual talent.

Nailed it.

and the Hawks are the perfect example. Having enough talent is the first part, we addressed that during this season with the additions of Dragon/Whiteside and to lesser extent Ennis and TJ.

The second part is creating a team that is better then the sum of it's parts. That's where I have zero confidence in Spo.

At best, he might build a team that plays up to it's talent level. That's the best scenario for him IMO, that we play as well as one expects from our roster.

I see no scenario where our collective play transcends the sum of our individual parts under coach Spo. And that's a problem, because with Wade getting older, we don't have a big talent advantage against good teams.