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hack a hassan 

Post#1 » by eddieheatfan » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:31 am

yesterday we saw the use of this strategy by the coaching staff of the wizards do you think that teams will retort to this type of practice in the upcoming games?i just hope that whiteside gets lots of free throw shooting in his practices from now on because i can see him going to the line more often because of this

who you would be your favourite player to replace whiteside off the bench if this gets employ often? discuss people!
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Post#2 » by QUIZ » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:43 am

This strategy doesn't make much sense mathematically. When Shaq said it doesn't work he wasn't just talking out of his ass.

The Miami Heat so far are averaging 1 point per possession.

So if Hassan can simply shoot 50% from the line he'd be right at our season average of 1ppp on offense.

Now does that mean teams will not use this strategy? Hell no, they're going to gamble and bet that he shoots below his average I.E. 0-2.

With all that said I really don't think its a problem. DeAndre Jordan and Drummond are two guys that shoot in the upper 30's and they see it used against them a lot. Frankly I don't think Hassan is that bad from the FT line. He's 49% on the season but in a small sample size. As long as he can split the pair I'd be content but I do hope to see him at around 60% by seasons end.
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Post#3 » by HialeahHeatFan » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:43 am

Nobody of the bench will replace his production or impact. That being said his going to have to make them or he sits. Nothing else you can really do. Hope whatever lineup is out there can score and defend enough until the 2 minute mark.
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Post#4 » by CeCeySay » Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:58 am

qjz123 wrote:This strategy doesn't make much sense mathematically. When Shaq said it doesn't work he wasn't just talking out of his ass.

The Miami Heat so far are averaging 1 point per possession.

So if Hassan can simply shoot 50% from the line he'd be right at our season average of 1ppp on offense.

Now does that mean teams will not use this strategy? Hell no, they're going to gamble and bet that he shoots below his average I.E. 0-2.

With all that said I really don't think its a problem. DeAndre Jordan and Drummond are two guys that shoot in the upper 30's and they see it used against them a lot. Frankly I don't think Hassan is that bad from the FT line. He's 49% on the season but in a small sample size. As long as he can split the pair I'd be content but I do hope to see him at around 60% by seasons end.

I see your point on the 1 pt per possession and him making 1 of 2, but that strategy kills momentum and you can't come from behind if you're only getting 1 point without stops. You can say that if they made stops this would be ok. But it takes longer to come back from a deficit, plus scoring on your opposition gives the team momentum and confidence on the defensive end.
All in all, I think Hassan just needs to get a hold of his nerves and excitement and try to calm down when taking FT's. Easier said than done, but his form and release is much better than other bad FT shooting centers. Maybe bend his knees a little to make the shot softer. But I think he might just be too amped up when he gets to the line, why the shots are long and hard (pause).


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Re: hack a hassan 

Post#5 » by KingDavid » Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:01 am

Sending him to the bench was a massive mistake. Spo cannot do that again. Hassan learns by experience. Let him feel that he's let everyone down and leave him in. Let it eat him so he can work on that weakness. Yeah it would not have helped the outcome, but it's the ninth game of a very long season against an opponent that is of no significance to our division or conference.

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Post#6 » by Heat_Fan_87 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:24 am

it was an issue. surprised other teams haven;t done it sooner
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Post#7 » by BIRDMAN BIRDMAN » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:56 am

I swear, I remember an off-season vid of him draining free throws like it's nothing.....not to mention him talking about how he will be a better FT shooter typical summer talk I guess bah

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Post#8 » by Axel » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:01 am

Spo definitely needs to keep Hassan in the game. He's a better free thrower than DJ or Drummond and in yesterdays game, he was the only reason we were even in contention. As soon as he was taken out, we had no chance.
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Post#9 » by Cmon_Son-_- » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:36 am

qjz123 wrote:This strategy doesn't make much sense mathematically. When Shaq said it doesn't work he wasn't just talking out of his ass.

The Miami Heat so far are averaging 1 point per possession.

So if Hassan can simply shoot 50% from the line he'd be right at our season average of 1ppp on offense.

Now does that mean teams will not use this strategy? Hell no, they're going to gamble and bet that he shoots below his average I.E. 0-2.

With all that said I really don't think its a problem. DeAndre Jordan and Drummond are two guys that shoot in the upper 30's and they see it used against them a lot. Frankly I don't think Hassan is that bad from the FT line. He's 49% on the season but in a small sample size. As long as he can split the pair I'd be content but I do hope to see him at around 60% by seasons end.


The Timberwolves did it pretty well, I remember them taking the lead around 5 minutes left in the 4th, then immediately using that strategy and I think in a 2 minute stretch Whiteside went 1-4 and their lead went up to 5 or 6 points. If Whiteside stayed in the game they would've kept fouling him until 2 minutes and they'll sit on the lead while we pray Whiteside hits his free throws. So we took him out replaced him with winslow hoping that our small ball can play some defense and produce some offense, it didn't and the timberwolves lead went up to 8. Whiteside was out only out for a minute but the damage was already done.

Honestly I don't blame spo for benching Whiteside for that minute we should've had more than enough offense and defense to get some quality possessions but we didn't hopefully Whiteside gets his reps in practice so we won't have to sit him anymore in that situation.
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Post#10 » by BoshtimusPrime » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:53 am

BIRDMAN BIRDMAN wrote:I swear, I remember an off-season vid of him draining free throws like it's nothing.....not to mention him talking about how he will be a better FT shooter typical summer talk I guess bah

Whether it's mental or not, at least it's not Deandre bad man


That's very common among poor FT shooters. Hell, I witnessed Ben Wallace drain like 8 threes in a row during warm ups.
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Post#11 » by QUIZ » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:14 am

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qjz123 wrote:This strategy doesn't make much sense mathematically. When Shaq said it doesn't work he wasn't just talking out of his ass.

The Miami Heat so far are averaging 1 point per possession.

So if Hassan can simply shoot 50% from the line he'd be right at our season average of 1ppp on offense.

Now does that mean teams will not use this strategy? Hell no, they're going to gamble and bet that he shoots below his average I.E. 0-2.

With all that said I really don't think its a problem. DeAndre Jordan and Drummond are two guys that shoot in the upper 30's and they see it used against them a lot. Frankly I don't think Hassan is that bad from the FT line. He's 49% on the season but in a small sample size. As long as he can split the pair I'd be content but I do hope to see him at around 60% by seasons end.


The Timberwolves did it pretty well, I remember them taking the lead around 5 minutes left in the 4th, then immediately using that strategy and I think in a 2 minute stretch Whiteside went 1-4 and their lead went up to 5 or 6 points. If Whiteside stayed in the game they would've kept fouling him until 2 minutes and they'll sit on the lead while we pray Whiteside hits his free throws. So we took him out replaced him with winslow hoping that our small ball can play some defense and produce some offense, it didn't and the timberwolves lead went up to 8. Whiteside was out only out for a minute but the damage was already done.

Honestly I don't blame spo for benching Whiteside for that minute we should've had more than enough offense and defense to get some quality possessions but we didn't hopefully Whiteside gets his reps in practice so we won't have to sit him anymore in that situation.

Personally I think you have to let a guy play through that because benching him doesn't help the situation. When they first hacked him he went up and made the first, missed the second then the next time down he missed two in a row and Spo yanked him.

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Re: hack a hassan 

Post#12 » by QUIZ » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:15 am

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BIRDMAN BIRDMAN wrote:I swear, I remember an off-season vid of him draining free throws like it's nothing.....not to mention him talking about how he will be a better FT shooter typical summer talk I guess bah

Whether it's mental or not, at least it's not Deandre bad man


That's very common among poor FT shooters. Hell, I witnessed Ben Wallace drain like 8 threes in a row during warm ups.

Yet unlike them we've seen Hassan make mid range jump shots.
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Post#13 » by leoshes » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:57 am

at 1st he wasn't concentrating, & after the presser got to him. with him its mental.
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Post#14 » by RexBoyWonder » Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:26 pm

Didn't like Spo benching him either.

Our defense and rebounding immediately suffered.

He needs to work on his FT, and Spo needs to ride with him way longer then a couple of misses -> benched.
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Re: hack a hassan 

Post#15 » by heat4life » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:14 pm

I agree with the notion that Hassan needed to play through it but one thing we need to take in consideration is that part of the "Whiteside experience" is managing his mental and emotional moods. Hassan did some pouting when Spoelstra called timeout. He pulled him for a few minutes to get his head right. It didn't pay off at the free throw line but at least his head stayed in the game until the end. Sometimes we just don't know what goes on in those huddles. Hassan sat for a couple of minutes which might have been what he needed - and a Haslem/Howard speech - to get back in the game.
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Post#16 » by dolphinatik » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:01 pm

The way he fights through contact to get the foul and make the shot if leave him in. We are not going to do better without him on the floor and he will learn to overcome these situations.
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Post#17 » by insfo » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:51 pm

shooting FTs is not something you learn staying in the game. I was ok with removing him for the 60 seconds or so that he was off. Do you guys remember the last time he missed a bunch of FTs and started pouting openly on court? Can't remember which game, but it was this season. I think given his fragile mental state, taking him out was the best option. Hopefully he's getting additional reps during practices which will surely help.
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Post#18 » by Zasterror » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:02 pm

The most important thing is for him to make the FTs. We essentially lost any opportunity to regain the lead in that game because he missed 3 out the 4 FTs in the waning moments of the 4th. That's a back-breaker because it forced us to bench him thus significantly altering our defense. 49% is not acceptable; we all know he is capable of shooting around 60%.
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Post#19 » by DayofMourning » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:06 pm

Zasterror wrote:The most important thing is for him to make the FTs. We essentially lost any opportunity to regain the lead in that game because he missed 3 out the 4 FTs in the waning moments of the 4th. That's a back-breaker because it forced us to bench him thus significantly altering our defense. 49% is not acceptable; we all know he is capable of shooting around 60%.


I think 65-70% is attainable. He has decent arc on his shot, and his form is solid. It's all mental focus on his part. If he had it together upstairs, he'd be the best player in the league, and be shooting free throws a bit better.
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Post#20 » by LEIF » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:13 pm

In my opinion, the decision to keep him in or take him out should be made on a game by game basis. On a night when he was carrying the team in many ways with CB & DW having off nights & McBob invisible I think you have to let Hassan play through Hack-Hassan. But on a different night if he was playing well but not carrying us to that degree maybe if he misses 3 of his first 4 or so you pull him if the 2 minute mark isn't as close as Spo would like.

This is going to become something teams try, unless Hassan can uptick that FT % to 53 or so teams will shy away from it.
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