Official Miami Heat 2016 Offseason Thread : Free Agency/Trades (part VII) - Pay The Man!

[KingDavid]

KD,
The point I was trying to make is that TJ hasn't warranted being paid 10 million by the HEAT considering our cap situation. He's overrated on this forum. Hassan has earned his right to be paid the max. The reason why I'm ok with maxing Hassan is because Chris Bosh is NEVER playing in a HEAT uniform again. His blood clot condition is one of the main reasons we should pay Hassan and move forward. Who will we build around if we lose Hassan? Wade? nah, he has 3 more years max. Winslow? Dude can't even make a open layup. Hassan while not perfect, is the right guy to develop moving forward in hopes we can take the next step. But it's all up to how Riley wants to move forward. Whatever happens, I wish Hassan the best and I will always root for him.

TJ is worth matching contracts unless a team poison pills him, like Houston did to NY for Jeremy Lin. He's a great role player and our 3rd best defender. He's not overrated.

Hassan has earned a max contract. No question there. But we'd be paying 46 million in ONE position and they can't play next to each other. You know just as much as I do about Bosh. Statistically speaking, he's still on this team and still counts against the books. There's no moving forward, no team is going to take Bosh. We're stuck with him unless he retires. There's athletes in more violent sports that play with blood thinners. Chill.

You're overzealous and starting to overrate Hassan. He's not a center you build around. That role is for superstars. Like Shaq or Dirk or Duncan or Orlando D12 or Hakeem, and plenty of other past greats. He's a piece to a championship team, not the first option.

TJ isn't better than J-Rich and he's worth 10 million? Please.

IF Bosh was going to play, it would've been in the playoffs. If the team doctors wouldn't clear him then, why would they now? Ask yourself that. The team probably would like for him to hang it up, so that we can get cap relief come feb.

I'm not overeating Hassan. His stats speak for him. He posted numbers the league hadn't seen in years, posted all star stats, etc played like a star. His game and stats back up my claims, so there's no need to over rate him KD. If the team(HEAT) doesn't see him as a star and Dallas does, then he walks. We will see how this plays out. I can't wait.

You're probably not a medical professional, so you might not understand. No Doctor on the Miami Heat or currently in or employed by the nba would put their license, 8+ years of school, residency, and great job on the line to go against what they've learned in their profession for decades in a last minute decision to allow a professional athletes to play a sport and possibly end up gravely injured. They would never be allowed to practice medicine again if anything goes wrong. They are liable for these things and have medical direction to follow to the T.

There's no need to try and defend Hassan with me. I've said it a million times; he's worth every penny at his maximum allowed price. But we have a $24 million player in the SAME position. Whether he's a paperweight or not, he is still under contract. That's not how you win titles fam.

You are over rating Hassan. You just said we should be building around him and that's not true. You build around the all time great bigs I mentioned. Not the guy that gets his ass handed to him by Jonas Valenciunas and the corpse of Al Jefferson. Not the guy that bounced around the world and had to scratch and claw at another chance to prove himself after multiple failures. No that guy is a piece of a pie of a championship team, not the focal point. I would pay him max if Bosh weren't on the team. But it's redundant at that position.

[Rapaz]

While the Heat prepared to meet with Hassan Whiteside and Kevin Durant in New York during the opening days of free agency, they’re also dealing with backcourt issues involving Dwyane Wade, Tyler Johnson and the search for another shooter. Where things stand:

• Wade is unhappy with the Heat about the approach it has taken with his contract, a friend of Wade said this week. That’s why, as ESPN reported, his agent has told Dallas, San Antonio and other teams that he’s available, though some NBA people believe Wade is simply looking for leverage.

An involved person said the Heat has been unable to tell Wade exactly what it’s willing to pay him because a lot will depend on whether it can sign Whiteside or Durant. That apparently has frustrated Wade, who wants to feel like a priority.

But let’s be clear: Miami wants to keep Wade, who said earlier this year that he intends to finish his career here. And it would be surprising if this doesn't end with Wade re-signing and both sides professing their love for each other. The possibility of him leaving cannot be ruled out, but it's still difficult to envision this.

• The Heat wants to add a shooter and plans to pursue Jamal Crawford, who reportedly will meet with Orlando on Friday.

Crawford, 36, averaged 14.2 points for the Clippers last season, shooting 40.2 percent from the field and 34 percent on threes (117 for 334). Whether the Heat would have the cap space for him would depend on several factors; it would help if it succeeds in trading Josh McRoberts, who's very much available.

If the Heat cannot sign Crawford or another one of the better free agent shooters (such as Mirza Teletovic or Jared Dudley), it will consider trading for Chicago’s Mike Dunleavy, who will make $4.8 million next season. Dunleavy, 35, returned from back surgery in February and started 30 games; he shot 40.7 and 39.4 percent on threes the past two seasons.

If those options don’t materialize, the Heat will look for a less expensive shooter such as Marcus Thornton or Wesley Johnson.

• According to Cleveland.com, the Heat also might meet with coveted Raptors free agent guard DeMar DeRozan. This would be very much in character for Pat Riley, who likes to meet with all the very top free agents.

But it would be impossible to accommodate DeRozan, Wade and Whiteside without trading Goran Dragic. Miami is trying to deal McRoberts (due $5.8 million next season), which would push the Heat’s cap space to $48 million, but Miami isn’t looking to deal Dragic unless it needs cap space to add a star free agent.

The Heat might find a team willing to take on McRoberts' salary to get to the salary cap floor, but it might need to throw in a draft pick (the Heat has very few available) as a carrot.

• The Heat wants to keep Tyler Johnson and has a right to match any offer but might walk away if a team gives Johnson an offer sheet with huge salaries in the third and fourth years. No team can offer Johnson more than $5.6 million next season and $5.9 million in 2017-18, but can offer essentially anything (up to $25 million) in the final two years.

If a team is willing to pay him, say, $15 million each of the final two years of a four-year deal, that would result in a $15 million hit on the Heat’s cap each of those two seasons. (By contrast, the team making the offer would have an annual cap hit of his average salary over the four seasons combined for a contract this large).

Teams can sign Johnson to an offer sheet beginning July 7, with Miami having three days to match. Johnson is expected to let this play out, though he has said previously: “I love the Heat organization.”

His Heat cap hit next season will be just $1.2 million if Miami keeps him.

The Vertical’s Wojnarowski predicted on Dan Le Batard’s ESPN show that Johnson’s new deal will average at least $10 million a year. Welcome to the new NBA, which dawns in a couple of hours.

• Though Miami wants to keep Whiteside, it is looking at Al Horford and Dwight Howard as viable options if it doesn’t.

The Heat is under the impression that Horford would love to play here, but he has a bunch of suitors.

Howard will reportedly meet with Boston and Atlanta. Chicago’s Pau Gasol and Cleveland free agent Timofey Mozgov also would be considered.

There was some Heat interest in Joakim Noah in the no-Whiteside scenario, but the Knicks are reportedly the heavy favorite for Noah.

• The Heat would like to re-sign Luol Deng, but it’s not optimistic about having the space to do so if it signs Wade and a high-end center. But there would be space for Deng, potentially, if Miami can't get Durant or DeRozan or Whiteside or Horford or Howard.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2016/06/heat-dealing-with-backcourt-issues-as-free-agency-starts-plus-whiteside-johnson-um-dolphins-marlins.html

[KingDavid]

I think for scoring you would bring Bosh off the bench, but to me it doesn't matter what somebody is getting paid everybody has to play their role and you go with what works best.

Bosh provides spacing in the middle that Wade and Dragic NEED in order to perform well. You have to start Bosh...or have a deadly shooter playing the 3 and 4.

I don't want to confuse anyone. Hassan is worth his maximum value this summer.

But we're already tied up in a player at the same position. It would hurt us in the long run, we have other needs where that money could better suit us. We are weak in depth in the frontcourt. Especially at sf and center. We might lose Deng, that'll really hurt. There's bigger issues than losing whiteside as a backup center behind Bosh.

This whole thing is happening because of Bosh's bloodclots. Our direction would be so straightforward otherwise.

Dragic never really looked that good on the floor with Bosh

Bosh as a 6th man >

We played slow, and Hassan + Bosh killed spacing.

[Heat_Fan_87]

Bosh provides spacing in the middle that Wade and Dragic NEED in order to perform well. You have to start Bosh...or have a deadly shooter playing the 3 and 4.

I don't want to confuse anyone. Hassan is worth his maximum value this summer.

But we're already tied up in a player at the same position. It would hurt us in the long run, we have other needs where that money could better suit us. We are weak in depth in the frontcourt. Especially at sf and center. We might lose Deng, that'll really hurt. There's bigger issues than losing whiteside as a backup center behind Bosh.

This whole thing is happening because of Bosh's bloodclots. Our direction would be so straightforward otherwise.

Dragic never really looked that good on the floor with Bosh

Bosh as a 6th man >

We played slow, and Hassan + Bosh killed spacing.

i dont think bosh is capable of playing fast

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[MHeat0279]

TJ is worth matching contracts unless a team poison pills him, like Houston did to NY for Jeremy Lin. He's a great role player and our 3rd best defender. He's not overrated.

Hassan has earned a max contract. No question there. But we'd be paying 46 million in ONE position and they can't play next to each other. You know just as much as I do about Bosh. Statistically speaking, he's still on this team and still counts against the books. There's no moving forward, no team is going to take Bosh. We're stuck with him unless he retires. There's athletes in more violent sports that play with blood thinners. Chill.

You're overzealous and starting to overrate Hassan. He's not a center you build around. That role is for superstars. Like Shaq or Dirk or Duncan or Orlando D12 or Hakeem, and plenty of other past greats. He's a piece to a championship team, not the first option.

TJ isn't better than J-Rich and he's worth 10 million? Please.

IF Bosh was going to play, it would've been in the playoffs. If the team doctors wouldn't clear him then, why would they now? Ask yourself that. The team probably would like for him to hang it up, so that we can get cap relief come feb.

I'm not overeating Hassan. His stats speak for him. He posted numbers the league hadn't seen in years, posted all star stats, etc played like a star. His game and stats back up my claims, so there's no need to over rate him KD. If the team(HEAT) doesn't see him as a star and Dallas does, then he walks. We will see how this plays out. I can't wait.

You're probably not a medical professional, so you might not understand. No Doctor on the Miami Heat or currently in or employed by the nba would put their license, 8+ years of school, residency, and great job on the line to go against what they've learned in their profession for decades in a last minute decision to allow a professional athletes to play a sport and possibly end up gravely injured. They would never be allowed to practice medicine again if anything goes wrong. They are liable for these things and have medical direction to follow to the T.

There's no need to try and defend Hassan with me. I've said it a million times; he's worth every penny at his maximum allowed price. But we have a $24 million player in the SAME position. Whether he's a paperweight or not, he is still under contract. That's not how you win titles fam.

You are over rating Hassan. You just said we should be building around him and that's not true. You build around the all time great bigs I mentioned. Not the guy that gets his ass handed to him by Jonas Valenciunas and the corpse of Al Jefferson. Not the guy that bounced around the world and had to scratch and claw at another chance to prove himself after multiple failures. No that guy is a piece of a pie of a championship team, not the focal point. I would pay him max if Bosh weren't on the team. But it's redundant at that position.

I do not think he is worth max, close to it but not max like 3 mil per year less than max, still a c rap load of money for a guy who was a nobody before the heat got him, that is where i think he should work with the Heat, just because scrubs in the league are getting overpaid does not mean we have to follow, still think he is a very important piece on our team but not max money worth, his post game is bad, barely any moves down there, and needs to improve his man to man defense, definitely not the center piece on a team, I understand he has not made any money, but remember its a lot of money what he will get even if its not the max.

[Rapaz]

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Sticking with this Naval analogy . . . I just let out a bunch of seamen.

[Burnie Riley]

Don't listen to a word WhoreHay Sedano says. He's been discredited. Earlier this season on his late night radio show with Izzy he said his sources in Dallas organization laughed at the idea of paying Whiteside and thought he was trash.

[Burnie Riley]

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