Miami Heat - Preseason Thread - The Time is NOW.

[Bishop45]

How y'alls feel about going after DMC year after or year after that? He'll be the next FA to come out with the most to prove if Kings have another sub 40 win season and stability might be the best breach for him if he's not to return to the Kings. If we can stay stable until that time then I doubt our recent free agency squabbles will even matter. Same reason we got in a room with KD, Aldridge, Horford with virtually no chance hasn't change, and that's the fact that Pat wants to win, is a winner and players looking to win want to hear what he has to say. He can fit in at PF feasibly and would be an interesting fit next to Hassan but he'd be an interesting fit anywhere he went, he's basically a shooting guard in a center's body. Fit next to Hassan and stability might be what we have to lure him away from other teams. They're the two most physically dominate bigs in the game that can shoot from decent range, surround them with shooters and maybe you have a good two-way team that's almost not guardable inside. With the Warriors set up for years, someone like him might be desperate enough to listen. Both of them can work from the mid-post and DMC even from the 3pt-line, from this quote from a few years ago I don't think he would mind trying at least for defensive purposes

"I love playing with Jason Thompson, don’t get me wrong, but I believe I would play better if I had a shot-blocking big. I’m not the greatest shot blocker and I can move to the four and play my natural position."

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/7/29/4569584/finding-the-ideal-front-court-partner-for-demarcus-cousins

Disclaimer: Stil wouldn't trade much for him because he's not worth his perceived value and a crybaby, lovely guy off the court tho

[twix2500]

From what iv seen so far of this team, I still have them somewhere between 25 to 30 wins. Might get off to a decent start because of Dragic and Whiteside are in very good shape. But it shouldnt take too long for the weaknesses being to much to overcome.

[heat4life]

Our hole at PF is too glaring to overcome for a whole season. Williams and JJ will give us some good nights but I just don't see that carrying over the whole season. Our best hope is for a McBob Charlotte-like resurrection. His passing, playmaking and scoring during his last season there matches this team's needs like a glove. Plus his defensive numbers weren't bad at all last season when he played.

[Hallstar]

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Take this for what its worth. I tried to find out about Dragic being on the trading block and this is the only thing I heard that may be significant.

If true, and I don't know how the Heat thinks, the only pieces that can get a 1st rounder are Dragic and Winslow (assuming Whiteside is off the board)

[Mos_Heat]

How y'alls feel about going after DMC year after or year after that? He'll be the next FA to come out with the most to prove if Kings have another sub 40 win season and stability might be the best breach for him if he's not to return to the Kings. If we can stay stable until that time then I doubt our recent free agency squabbles will even matter. Same reason we got in a room with KD, Aldridge, Horford with virtually no chance hasn't change, and that's the fact that Pat wants to win, is a winner and players looking to win want to hear what he has to say. He can fit in at PF feasibly and would be an interesting fit next to Hassan but he'd be an interesting fit anywhere he went, he's basically a shooting guard in a center's body. Fit next to Hassan and stability might be what we have to lure him away from other teams. They're the two most physically dominate bigs in the game that can shoot from decent range, surround them with shooters and maybe you have a good two-way team that's almost not guardable inside. With the Warriors set up for years, someone like him might be desperate enough to listen. Both of them can work from the mid-post and DMC even from the 3pt-line, from this quote from a few years ago I don't think he would mind trying at least for defensive purposes

"I love playing with Jason Thompson, don’t get me wrong, but I believe I would play better if I had a shot-blocking big. I’m not the greatest shot blocker and I can move to the four and play my natural position."

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/7/29/4569584/finding-the-ideal-front-court-partner-for-demarcus-cousins

Disclaimer: Stil wouldn't trade much for him because he's not worth his perceived value and a crybaby, lovely guy off the court tho

Hard to say about FA without details of new CBA

[Bishop45]

How y'alls feel about going after DMC year after or year after that? He'll be the next FA to come out with the most to prove if Kings have another sub 40 win season and stability might be the best breach for him if he's not to return to the Kings. If we can stay stable until that time then I doubt our recent free agency squabbles will even matter. Same reason we got in a room with KD, Aldridge, Horford with virtually no chance hasn't change, and that's the fact that Pat wants to win, is a winner and players looking to win want to hear what he has to say. He can fit in at PF feasibly and would be an interesting fit next to Hassan but he'd be an interesting fit anywhere he went, he's basically a shooting guard in a center's body. Fit next to Hassan and stability might be what we have to lure him away from other teams. They're the two most physically dominate bigs in the game that can shoot from decent range, surround them with shooters and maybe you have a good two-way team that's almost not guardable inside. With the Warriors set up for years, someone like him might be desperate enough to listen. Both of them can work from the mid-post and DMC even from the 3pt-line, from this quote from a few years ago I don't think he would mind trying at least for defensive purposes

"I love playing with Jason Thompson, don’t get me wrong, but I believe I would play better if I had a shot-blocking big. I’m not the greatest shot blocker and I can move to the four and play my natural position."

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/7/29/4569584/finding-the-ideal-front-court-partner-for-demarcus-cousins

Disclaimer: Stil wouldn't trade much for him because he's not worth his perceived value and a crybaby, lovely guy off the court tho

Hard to say about FA without details of new CBA

Doubt it's anything world altering, they're not hedging player movement. With all the money coming in, players probably have the upperhand in deal and the union's not going to go for anything like that... Least I don't think Lebby would

[Bishop45]

Our hole at PF is too glaring to overcome for a whole season. Williams and JJ will give us some good nights but I just don't see that carrying over the whole season. Our best hope is for a McBob Charlotte-like resurrection. His passing, playmaking and scoring during his last season there matches this team's needs like a glove. Plus his defensive numbers weren't bad at all last season when he played.

Don't think any of them are glaring holes, outside of Babbitt, I think JJ's a fine back-up... really any of them could be decent back-ups. Williams and McBob are good enough to be exceptional starter's. McBob's going to have to climb to get his turn tho, Williams is probably going to be a budding project until Spo renders him useless and there's even this unhealthy obsession with Babbitt he's going to have to maneuver, so McBob has a long road after recovery... Joshy claims to be in his Sunday sweats by opening day so we'll see

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Maybe some new shooters will give him new perspective in life and he'll come back strong... or not. He is a adequate defender, unlike he's been painted/cruc'd as

Right igg's

[Mos_Heat]

How y'alls feel about going after DMC year after or year after that? He'll be the next FA to come out with the most to prove if Kings have another sub 40 win season and stability might be the best breach for him if he's not to return to the Kings. If we can stay stable until that time then I doubt our recent free agency squabbles will even matter. Same reason we got in a room with KD, Aldridge, Horford with virtually no chance hasn't change, and that's the fact that Pat wants to win, is a winner and players looking to win want to hear what he has to say. He can fit in at PF feasibly and would be an interesting fit next to Hassan but he'd be an interesting fit anywhere he went, he's basically a shooting guard in a center's body. Fit next to Hassan and stability might be what we have to lure him away from other teams. They're the two most physically dominate bigs in the game that can shoot from decent range, surround them with shooters and maybe you have a good two-way team that's almost not guardable inside. With the Warriors set up for years, someone like him might be desperate enough to listen. Both of them can work from the mid-post and DMC even from the 3pt-line, from this quote from a few years ago I don't think he would mind trying at least for defensive purposes



http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2013/7/29/4569584/finding-the-ideal-front-court-partner-for-demarcus-cousins

Disclaimer: Stil wouldn't trade much for him because he's not worth his perceived value and a crybaby, lovely guy off the court tho

Hard to say about FA without details of new CBA

Doubt it's anything world altering, they're not hedging player movement. With all the money coming in, players probably have the upperhand in deal and the union's not going to go for anything like that... Least I don't think Lebby would

Zack Lowe and Howard Beck talked about 10.5% raise against 7.5% and maybe even adding another year for a team who has player's bird rights. So it would be 6 years and 10.5% raise from SAC and 4 years 4.5% raise from another team. It's all speculations, but who knows.

[Bishop45]

Hard to say about FA without details of new CBA

Doubt it's anything world altering, they're not hedging player movement. With all the money coming in, players probably have the upperhand in deal and the union's not going to go for anything like that... Least I don't think Lebby would

Zack Lowe and Howard Beck talked about 10.5% raise against 7.5% and maybe even adding another year for a team who has player's bird rights. So it would be 6 years and 10.5% raise from SAC and 4 years 4.5% raise from another team. It's all speculations, but who knows.

That'd be great for everyone, if he wants to leave tho.. We've got bells.

[Bishop45]

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[KingDavid]

From what iv seen so far of this team, I still have them somewhere between 25 to 30 wins. Might get off to a decent start because of Dragic and Whiteside are in very good shape. But it shouldnt take too long for the weaknesses being to much to overcome.

For the first 60 days, we have the second most difficult schedule in the league. We're not going to start off strong. We'll have a better idea by the asb.

[Burnie Riley]

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We're in the "Goos Zone"?

[Burnie Riley]

Disclaimer: Stil wouldn't trade much for him because he's not worth his perceived value and a crybaby, lovely guy off the court tho

Looking at the list of free agents in the next couple years, Cousins feels like the one most likely to be seduced by Riley, but I don't know about the fit though unless Spo can work out some kind of Twin Towers situation and bring back Big Ball(s).

[HIF]

Gald we kept Willie reed, Sad we didn't keep Briante on the roster, Not convinced by Ellington and he's the 4th highest paid - I wouldn't even have kept him on the roster.

[Bishop45]

Burns is byke?!

[Bishop45]

Disclaimer: Stil wouldn't trade much for him because he's not worth his perceived value and a crybaby, lovely guy off the court tho

Looking at the list of free agents in the next couple years, Cousins feels like the one most likely to be seduced by Riley, but I don't know about the fit though unless Spo can work out some kind of Twin Towers situation and bring back Big Ball(s).

I think that's the idea, he'd like to play the 4 and he wouldn't just be any stretch 4 next to Hassan (Of what we're looking for) but the most talented, physically dominate one. They wouldn't just be the normal big front court but one of the most versatile out there. In whole I think small ball is just about versatility and the opportunity to get two dominate, versatile bigs is something to look into and could possibly change the dynamic around the league (Aren't that many dominate versatile bigs around). Their games would hardly ever overlap either because Cousins isn't post dominate at all, him playing with another force in the paint that can finish through traffic probably forces him to make the most of the defensive pressure as he can work in and out. (If) They play with three other shooters and it only takes a little dribble penetration from Boogie to get either Hassan or another shooter(s) wide open... Something Boogie could actually take advantage of. Can't have single coverage in the post, of either, how does anyone guard a Boogie drive or PnR in that situation? I kno it wouldn't be perfect on either end but worth a shot if Boogie wants to explore FA. If we could seduce him, it would be easy to use our assets to get a third player of a lower tier to come play with them if Dragic's not done by then

[Burnie Riley]

I think that's the idea, he'd like to play the 4 and he wouldn't just be any stretch 4 next to Hassan (Of what we're looking for) but the most talented, physically dominate one. They wouldn't just be the normal big front court but one of the most versatile out there. In whole I think small ball is just about versatility and the opportunity to get two dominate, versatile bigs is something to look into and could possibly change the dynamic around the league (Aren't that many dominate versatile bigs around). Their games would hardly ever overlap either because Cousins isn't post dominate at all, him playing with another force in the paint that can finish through traffic probably forces him to make the most of the defensive pressure as he can work in and out. (If) They play with three other shooters and it only takes a little dribble penetration from Boogie to get either Hassan or another shooter(s) wide open... Something Boogie could actually take advantage of. Can't have single coverage in the post, of either, how does anyone guard a Boogie drive or PnR in that situation? I kno it wouldn't be perfect on either end but worth a shot if Boogie wants to explore FA. If we could seduce him, it would be easy to use our assets to get a third player of a lower tier to come play with them if Dragic's not done by then

It would be pretty fun to see some Bully Ball:

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