Official HEAT 2017-18 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II

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The idea that tanking is some guaranteed pathway to a better future is hilarious. These fans have who this completely unrealistic view that you need to either be an all-out tank or be contending for the title? Lol It's not practical. There's going to be teams "in the middle". That's just the way the league works.

Yes ... but a portion of the fanbase has no use for being one of those teams. I don't want to go the 76ers route, but I have no desire to chase futility every year either. We tried bringing this under-talented team back and tried to compete. I was all for it. I was wrong. We're not close enough to being close enough for this to have made any sense.

We gave scrappy a shot. It's time to give talent a shot. That's what paid off in the past.

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90 bumboclaat pixels...someone make this image into a sig for me please?

Turd quarter

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At least the Heat are fighting for the playoffs and can still improve on that with Riley. It could be much worse and be like the Magic being arguably the worst team in the NBA over the last 6 years. I would take treadmilling with a chance to improve over that any day of the week.

So your ok with being the Atlanta Hawks only with less talent and no future. It should be noted the 76er where a treadmill team and well reality hit them and they tanked for a better future and look at them now.

Treadmill teams lack the leadership to see the big picture, with the caveat of teams that need to win because the market demands it. We are not that type of market. We just won 2 championships under Lebron and Wades recruiting, we could easily have gone into a rebuild but no we are a treadmill team.

What I am saying is that the majority of the teams who tank, maybe 75% to 90% of them end up staying at the bottom or staying treadmill teams. People dream and I say dream that tanking = greatness. When in reality, the teams that tank, the vast majority end up treadmill. Thus, teams suck for a few years if not 4-8 years and end up no better record wise than they were when they started tanking. So, if you want to throw it all away and suck for the next 5-10 years just because you want to gamble on high stakes poker dreaming that you may be the 1 in 10 that WINS a superstar with your 10% or 5% chance of it happening, then go ahead. But, tanking guarantees absolutely nothing. Personally, I am on the side that tanking should be punished and banned from the NBA. Because, we are only getting 16-20 teams that actually play basketball anymore on any given season. Then, we have to sit through 4-8 years of a team sucking ass wasting player development, coaches, management and fans time just because the owner thinks he may win the lotto by sucking ass for 4-8 years.

Basically, it feels like entire RealGM is made up of fans for 20 out of the 30 teams forums who all think their team should tank. Thank god there are true GM's out there who see the futility of tanking. Not every team has the 76ers coach or won a Embiid or Anthony Davis. All the other teams who tanked the last six years are still all treadmill teams.

Even if the Heat tanked, there is a much greater chance in winning another Beaseley in the draft over the next Wade. Thus, another 81 games wasted for average to crap talent. Heat would be lucky to get average starters talent with tanking.

Throw all what away? We've got close to nothing. Don't think of it as tanking. Think of it as clearing the path for young guys to develop.

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Simply not true.

Cavs without love (traded Wiggnis) = No lebron and No championship.

Philly without Simmons - chit

Minney without Townes - chit.

Pelicans with AD = chit

Wizards without wall - chit

Clippers without Blake - chit

Alot of the top teams around the last decade were built around the stars those teams drafted. And almost all of those stars were drafted in the high lottery.

Some teams tanked, and then **** up building around. Or busted on the pick. That's not to say they should have not tanked. They scrwed the other steps.

FYI. Minny, Wiz and Pelicans are all treadmill teams. Wiz got Wall like what? 7 years ago? Philly won the lottery. So, tanking really only propelled 1 out of all those teams to be a top 4 team. The rest are all treadmill with no guarantee's that they will go any further. Then, you can add the rest of the NBA where tanking has failed them and they are less than treadmill. Thus, more likely the Heat will fail than succeed with tanking. There is less than 5-10% chance the Heat will win a difference maker by tanking.

Even if those teams are treadmilling, they have assets, so they have a chance. And you can compare that 5%-10% chance to the odds of landing a superstar through trade. That's not successful very often either.

[BadMofoPimp]

So your ok with being the Atlanta Hawks only with less talent and no future. It should be noted the 76er where a treadmill team and well reality hit them and they tanked for a better future and look at them now.

Treadmill teams lack the leadership to see the big picture, with the caveat of teams that need to win because the market demands it. We are not that type of market. We just won 2 championships under Lebron and Wades recruiting, we could easily have gone into a rebuild but no we are a treadmill team.

What I am saying is that the majority of the teams who tank, maybe 75% to 90% of them end up staying at the bottom or staying treadmill teams. People dream and I say dream that tanking = greatness. When in reality, the teams that tank, the vast majority end up treadmill. Thus, teams suck for a few years if not 4-8 years and end up no better record wise than they were when they started tanking. So, if you want to throw it all away and suck for the next 5-10 years just because you want to gamble on high stakes poker dreaming that you may be the 1 in 10 that WINS a superstar with your 10% or 5% chance of it happening, then go ahead. But, tanking guarantees absolutely nothing. Personally, I am on the side that tanking should be punished and banned from the NBA. Because, we are only getting 16-20 teams that actually play basketball anymore on any given season. Then, we have to sit through 4-8 years of a team sucking ass wasting player development, coaches, management and fans time just because the owner thinks he may win the lotto by sucking ass for 4-8 years.

Basically, it feels like entire RealGM is made up of fans for 20 out of the 30 teams forums who all think their team should tank. Thank god there are true GM's out there who see the futility of tanking. Not every team has the 76ers coach or won a Embiid or Anthony Davis. All the other teams who tanked the last six years are still all treadmill teams.

Even if the Heat tanked, there is a much greater chance in winning another Beaseley in the draft over the next Wade. Thus, another 81 games wasted for average to crap talent. Heat would be lucky to get average starters talent with tanking.

Throw all what away? We've got close to nothing. Don't think of it as tanking. Think of it as clearing the path for young guys to develop.

Sounds very hard to do when last offseason, the Heat threw multi year money at JJ, Waiters and Ellington and Tyler still on the team for another year or two. So, the team can't full on tank with that talent. They will win at least 25 games as Riley is a genius, but no genius could trade all that away and make out like a bandit without attaching talent and/or future draft picks to those players contracts.

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What I am saying is that the majority of the teams who tank, maybe 75% to 90% of them end up staying at the bottom or staying treadmill teams. People dream and I say dream that tanking = greatness. When in reality, the teams that tank, the vast majority end up treadmill. Thus, teams suck for a few years if not 4-8 years and end up no better record wise than they were when they started tanking. So, if you want to throw it all away and suck for the next 5-10 years just because you want to gamble on high stakes poker dreaming that you may be the 1 in 10 that WINS a superstar with your 10% or 5% chance of it happening, then go ahead. But, tanking guarantees absolutely nothing. Personally, I am on the side that tanking should be punished and banned from the NBA. Because, we are only getting 16-20 teams that actually play basketball anymore on any given season. Then, we have to sit through 4-8 years of a team sucking ass wasting player development, coaches, management and fans time just because the owner thinks he may win the lotto by sucking ass for 4-8 years.

Basically, it feels like entire RealGM is made up of fans for 20 out of the 30 teams forums who all think their team should tank. Thank god there are true GM's out there who see the futility of tanking. Not every team has the 76ers coach or won a Embiid or Anthony Davis. All the other teams who tanked the last six years are still all treadmill teams.

Even if the Heat tanked, there is a much greater chance in winning another Beaseley in the draft over the next Wade. Thus, another 81 games wasted for average to crap talent. Heat would be lucky to get average starters talent with tanking.

Throw all what away? We've got close to nothing. Don't think of it as tanking. Think of it as clearing the path for young guys to develop.

Sounds very hard to do when last offseason, the Heat threw multi year money at JJ, Waiters and Ellington and Tyler still on the team for another year or two. So, the team can't full on tank with that talent. They will win at least 25 games as Riley is a genius, but no genius could trade all that away and make out like a bandit without attaching talent and/or future draft picks to those players contracts.

Obviously there are contracts that can't be moved right away, but you move what you can, and you set a clear course. If you want to get anywhere, you have to set a course.

[Flash4thewin]

LOL, what has those teams (besides Cavs, because LeBron will make any team a contender) won or ever win?
We were as good as those teams without Waiters this season.

The point is they gave themselves a shot. A chance. they were expected to become great. Some really did, some faild - sure..that's part of the game.

But do you feel we have a chance to be great without a star? if not - give me your plan to land that star without drafting him in the high lottery. I'm all ears.

Yes. Cuz this is the Heat and Riley is the President. Not being a bottom feeder has stopped him from building teams.

But past successes does not equal future success. Analysis of Pat and his moves for the past few year leaves much to be desired. Please remember the Bulls felt they could compete for championship all on the front office, parallels to saying cuz this is the Heat and Pat is in charge.

At the end of the day it’s all about getting a star, we don’t have the assets for one and with the new CBA it makes it almost impossible to poach a star player. So to have a shot at greatness the draft makes the logical choice, unless one is happy being the Atlanta Heat 2.0

[twix2500]

Last year he tried to tank respectfully. It was working till they went on that run. I guess yall wanted him to run on the court in Feb and say stooooooppp.

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[ZoStrong]

Simply not true.

Cavs without love (traded Wiggnis) = No lebron and No championship.

Philly without Simmons - chit

Minney without Townes - chit.

Pelicans with AD = chit

Wizards without wall - chit

Clippers without Blake - chit

Alot of the top teams around the last decade were built around the stars those teams drafted. And almost all of those stars were drafted in the high lottery.

Some teams tanked, and then **** up building around. Or busted on the pick. That's not to say they should have not tanked. They scrwed the other steps.

LOL, what has those teams (besides Cavs, because LeBron will make any team a contender) won or ever win?
We were as good as those teams without Waiters this season.

The point is they gave themselves a shot. A chance. they were expected to become great. Some really did, some faild - sure..that's part of the game.

But do you feel we have a chance to be great without a star? if not - give me your plan to land that star without drafting him in the high lottery. I'm all ears.

Without tanking last year we almost got our "star" in Donovan Mitchell. Missed him by a slot.
I like Bam and believe he can become really good, but he's a lot farther away from becoming a "star."
The year we tanked we got B-Easy.
Sure we also got Wade, too after Mourning and Eddie's injury-filled year.
It's really the luck of the draw kind of thing. Even if you really get lucky and land Mitchell or Wade type you need years of
developing and GETTING a major star like Shaq to get over the hump and win.

Go back and see who won the Finals MVP last several years.
Durant, LeBron, Iguodala, Kawhi, LeBron, LeBron...
All the players the winning teams signed or traded for. (Cavs had to sign him back.)
You have to go back to 2011 to find Dirk who was drafted and stayed w the original team and
see how many years it took for Dallas to finally win. His 14th season, I believe. You wanna draft a star and wait more than a decade to win a ship?

I don't like the term "treadmill team" but Dallas was a "treadmill team" for a long time losing in the first round several times before finally breaking thru.

Making the playoff and being competitive is the first step to becoming a perennial contender.
Toronto was a treadmill team for many years before finally becoming a contender in the wide-open East.
Wizards might be the picture-perfect version of "Treadmill," good enough to make the playoff year after year but no hope of actually making to the Final.
But even they can become a contender by assembling right pieces or trading for the right star.
Cousins and Walls are tight. What if they somehow assemble their team around the two?

My point is, Don't hate our "treadmill team" and think there are no hope in near future.
Consistently making the playoff is always better than being in the lottery every year.
Shaq would not have come the Miami if we were not at least good enough to make the playoff w/o him.
Chris Paul would not have gone to Houston if Houston was at least a decent team.
Paul George to OKC, etc... etc...
Ok, you might say "But they went there because those treadmill teams at least had a "star" in Wade, Harden, and Westbrook.
Well, I believe we do have a "star." It's Riley and our team's blueprint that's been proven to win.
That's why Hayward at least considered us despite a better team with his college coach wanting him.

Some posters were comparing us to Atlantas of the league. But the superstars who want to win don't even entertain those teams offers, but they listen to us despite our lack of "stars" on the court. I don't wanna kiss up to Riley, but the Heat fans should know and appreciate that we don't build thru draft. It's a long long process that needs a major luck to work out. You really want to go thru 20 win seasons for several years just to see if we can get lucky? IF Embiid didn't get injured 76ers wouldn't have a chance to draft Simmons and their whole "Trust the Process" would be entering year 6, 7, 8 without being much more than a treadmill team. Simmons is the one that makes them a threat. Where are Okafor and Noel?

[Dr_Heat]

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What happened buddy , I taught u were pumped to be in the playoffs ?

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What happened buddy , I taught u were pumped to be in the playoffs ?

[Flash4thewin]

LOL, what has those teams (besides Cavs, because LeBron will make any team a contender) won or ever win?
We were as good as those teams without Waiters this season.

The point is they gave themselves a shot. A chance. they were expected to become great. Some really did, some faild - sure..that's part of the game.

But do you feel we have a chance to be great without a star? if not - give me your plan to land that star without drafting him in the high lottery. I'm all ears.

Without tanking last year we almost got our "star" in Donovan Mitchell. Missed him by a slot.
I like Bam and believe he can become really good, but he's a lot farther away from becoming a "star."
The year we tanked we got B-Easy.
Sure we also got Wade, too after Mourning and Eddie's injury-filled year.
It's really the luck of the draw kind of thing. Even if you really get lucky and land Mitchell or Wade type you need years of
developing and GETTING a major star like Shaq to get over the hump and win.

Go back and see who won the Finals MVP last several years.
Durant, LeBron, Iguodala, Kawhi, LeBron, LeBron...
All the players the winning teams signed or traded for. (Cavs had to sign him back.)
You have to go back to 2011 to find Dirk who was drafted and stayed w the original team and
see how many years it took for Dallas to finally win. His 14th season, I believe. You wanna draft a star and wait more than a decade to win a ship?

I don't like the term "treadmill team" but Dallas was a "treadmill team" for a long time losing in the first round several times before finally breaking thru.

Making the playoff and being competitive is the first step to becoming a perennial contender.
Toronto was a treadmill team for many years before finally becoming a contender in the wide-open East.
Wizards might be the picture-perfect version of "Treadmill," good enough to make the playoff year after year but no hope of actually making to the Final.
But even they can become a contender by assembling right pieces or trading for the right star.
Cousins and Walls are tight. What if they somehow assemble their team around the two?

My point is, Don't hate our "treadmill team" and think there are no hope in near future.
Consistently making the playoff is always better than being in the lottery every year.
Shaq would not have come the Miami if we were not at least good enough to make the playoff w/o him.
Chris Paul would not have gone to Houston if Houston was at least a decent team.
Paul George to OKC, etc... etc...
Ok, you might say "But they went there because those treadmill teams at least had a "star" in Wade, Harden, and Westbrook.
Well, I believe we do have a "star." It's Riley and our team's blueprint that's been proven to win.
That's why Hayward at least considered us despite a better team with his college coach wanting him.

Some posters were comparing us to Atlantas of the league. But the superstars who want to win don't even entertain those teams offers, but they listen to us despite our lack of "stars" on the court. I don't wanna kiss up to Riley, but the Heat fans should know and appreciate that we don't build thru draft. It's a long long process that needs a major luck to work out. You really want to go thru 20 win seasons for several years just to see if we can get lucky? IF Embiid didn't get injured 76ers wouldn't have a chance to draft Simmons and their whole "Trust the Process" would be entering year 6, 7, 8 without being much more than a treadmill team. Simmons is the one that makes them a threat. Where are Okafor and Noel?

When you went with our star is what a 70+ year old Pat who already has one foot out the door you kinda dug your own grave. Also as you pointed out all the treadmill teams had elite stars, Wade, Hardern,Westbrook. We currently dont have that and with our current roster all signed but our "Star" we wont get much value on trades because they are locked in to not good contracts. Also you mistake winning with wanting to play with elite talent in Shaq's case and the real reason Hayward considered is our lack of state income tax which plays a big role and our location, sunny Miami. Winning played little to no role.

[ZoStrong]

Spoiler:

The point is they gave themselves a shot. A chance. they were expected to become great. Some really did, some faild - sure..that's part of the game.

But do you feel we have a chance to be great without a star? if not - give me your plan to land that star without drafting him in the high lottery. I'm all ears.

Without tanking last year we almost got our "star" in Donovan Mitchell. Missed him by a slot.
I like Bam and believe he can become really good, but he's a lot farther away from becoming a "star."
The year we tanked we got B-Easy.
Sure we also got Wade, too after Mourning and Eddie's injury-filled year.
It's really the luck of the draw kind of thing. Even if you really get lucky and land Mitchell or Wade type you need years of
developing and GETTING a major star like Shaq to get over the hump and win.

Go back and see who won the Finals MVP last several years.
Durant, LeBron, Iguodala, Kawhi, LeBron, LeBron...
All the players the winning teams signed or traded for. (Cavs had to sign him back.)
You have to go back to 2011 to find Dirk who was drafted and stayed w the original team and
see how many years it took for Dallas to finally win. His 14th season, I believe. You wanna draft a star and wait more than a decade to win a ship?

I don't like the term "treadmill team" but Dallas was a "treadmill team" for a long time losing in the first round several times before finally breaking thru.

Making the playoff and being competitive is the first step to becoming a perennial contender.
Toronto was a treadmill team for many years before finally becoming a contender in the wide-open East.
Wizards might be the picture-perfect version of "Treadmill," good enough to make the playoff year after year but no hope of actually making to the Final.
But even they can become a contender by assembling right pieces or trading for the right star.
Cousins and Walls are tight. What if they somehow assemble their team around the two?

My point is, Don't hate our "treadmill team" and think there are no hope in near future.
Consistently making the playoff is always better than being in the lottery every year.
Shaq would not have come the Miami if we were not at least good enough to make the playoff w/o him.
Chris Paul would not have gone to Houston if Houston was at least a decent team.
Paul George to OKC, etc... etc...
Ok, you might say "But they went there because those treadmill teams at least had a "star" in Wade, Harden, and Westbrook.
Well, I believe we do have a "star." It's Riley and our team's blueprint that's been proven to win.
That's why Hayward at least considered us despite a better team with his college coach wanting him.

Some posters were comparing us to Atlantas of the league. But the superstars who want to win don't even entertain those teams offers, but they listen to us despite our lack of "stars" on the court. I don't wanna kiss up to Riley, but the Heat fans should know and appreciate that we don't build thru draft. It's a long long process that needs a major luck to work out. You really want to go thru 20 win seasons for several years just to see if we can get lucky? IF Embiid didn't get injured 76ers wouldn't have a chance to draft Simmons and their whole "Trust the Process" would be entering year 6, 7, 8 without being much more than a treadmill team. Simmons is the one that makes them a threat. Where are Okafor and Noel?

When you went with our star is what a 70+ year old Pat who already has one foot out the door you kinda dug your own grave. Also as you pointed out all the treadmill teams had elite stars, Wade, Hardern,Westbrook. We currently dont have that and with our current roster all signed but our "Star" we wont get much value on trades because they are locked in to not good contracts. Also you mistake winning with wanting to play with elite talent in Shaq's case and the real reason Hayward considered is our lack of state income tax which plays a big role and our location, sunny Miami. Winning played little to no role.

We shall see when Riley finally walks away. Until then he will continue trying to assemble a contender.

I mistake winning with wanting to play with elite talent in Shaq's case??? What? I don't even.

Go back and re-read some history. Shaq was the loser of the Kobe-Shaq power struggle in LA and the Lakers decided to stick with the younger and more hard-working Kobe than the lazy ass Shaq. Riley went to LA and had a meeting w Dr. Buss. Riley kinda wanted to go back to LA and explored other stuff/roles(?) too, but found that they were going to trade away Shaq and struck a deal to bring him here. Shaq, jilted, wanted to WIN another ring desperately WITHOUT Kobe. So he dedicated his body and game more than he did in LA and and won and rapped, "Kobe, Tell Me How My Ass Tastes!"

On Hayward. Winning situation played little to no role in his decision to pick his next team?????
It was no state income tax and the sunny weather???

Look, these millionaire athletes can go to nice sunny places, far more exotic and less crowded than Miami thru out the year when they are not playing.
Besides No income tax thing is a nice bonus, and the Heat organization can take an advantage by matching other teams' offers w a little less money, but again, to the superstars of the league who make so much more in endorsements and other deals than the salaries, that's not a big deal.
Also, the players pay the taxes where they play the games. So, in Miami, they don't pay the income tax on 41 home games and other away games played in Orlando, Memphis, Houston, San Antonio, etc.. the cities in no income tax states.

Again please do some research prior to writing if you are not really sure what u talking about.