Justise Winslow Watch

[twix2500]

The less he focused on offense and shoots less the better the player.

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[RexBoyWonder]

I'm beginning to think he's not that good.

When Rex gives up hope you know its close to the end

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Sad thing is I really like the Kid. He's smart, hard worker, leader, tough.

Problem is it's almost impossible to teach what he lacks - which is the talent to shot, score, drive and finish. He's just not talnted in NBA standarts in those aspects, and in this era - those are the most crucial skills.

[Youngray29]

Winslow is clearly the guy you tank with. Seems like everyone 1 and done prospect from the 2015 draft need to be on a rebuilding team. With the exception of Terry who's in the best system.

[Youngray29]

I'm beginning to think he's not that good.

The situation sucks. He essentially needed to be in a Devin Booker situation with max usage. We should stay far away from non top 5, 1 and dones. We simple do not have talent to risk playing guys like Bam and WInslow in non-limiting roles. If we can't commit to a rebuild you don't draft guys named WinsLow and Bam you draft more Jrichs. Guys who are more developed because they played multiple college seasons.

We essentially need to lose games playing guys like Bam and Winslow if want to develop them quicker. That's how functional team do it.

[contract]

I'm beginning to think he's not that good.

When Rex gives up hope you know its close to the end

It better not be. We just gave him a healthy extension. The last thing this team needs is another bad contract to move.

[contract]

The less he focused on offense and shoots less the better the player.

Spoiler:

Remember back in 2018 when it looked like Justise's 3pt shot was coming around? Those were the days!

I can't believe that the high water mark of his free throw shooting was 68.4% in his rookie year.

[contract]

We essentially need to lose games playing guys like Bam and Winslow if want to develop them quicker. That's how functional team do it.

I don't know if they would develop quicker, but we'd find out if they are stars, busts, or role players, quicker.

Bam is 10th on the team in minutes per game because of course he is.

[abark]

I'm beginning to think he's not that good.

The situation sucks. He essentially needed to be in a Devin Booker situation with max usage. We should stay far away from non top 5, 1 and dones. We simple do not have talent to risk playing guys like Bam and WInslow in non-limiting roles. If we can't commit to a rebuild you don't draft guys named WinsLow and Bam you draft more Jrichs. Guys who are more developed because they played multiple college seasons.

We essentially need to lose games playing guys like Bam and Winslow if want to develop them quicker. That's how functional team do it.

You'd probably feel differently if we had drafted Devin Booker, who was also a one and done. In fact he didn't even start for Kentucky, is a few month younger than Winslow, and was barely a lottery pick.

Would you rather have ended up with Frank Kaminsky. He had the 4 year pedigree, but he's just as big a bust as Winslow, and was never viewed as having an all star ceiling. That's the kind of draft strategy you're advocating for.

The only guy that played multiple years in college in the 5 picks after Winslow was Cameron Payne. The best talent doesn't stay in college anymore if they're gonna be a top 20 pick. And most of the guy drafted that high still only played 2 years. Doesn't make a huge difference in terms of development. Winslow has had plenty of time to develop, but the problem is he's jut not that good. Probably won't be very good when he's 26.

Plenty of one and done players picked in the late lotto work out just fine. Just this year Shai Gilgeous-Alexander was picked at 11, and he's already contributing. He might be steal of the draft.

You still always want to draft for upside, because this is a star based league. Josh Richardson is a very good player, and we lucked out with him. Most second round, four year draftees turn out to be nothing.

Our team's situation has locked us into mediocrity. It was a bad strategy to use all of our money on a team without a single player that's close to being an all star. Adding 2 more Josh Richardson's to this team would still leave us on the treadmill.

But just because we've been mediocre in free agency, I don't think you should compound the problem by ruling out young high upside players in the draft. Trying to draft win now players for a team that can't win isn't the way to go.

[twix2500]

People got so obsessed that Winslow need to learn how to shoot 3s. He just needs to learn how to score. Winslow needs to forget about Spo's, shoot 3 or throw lobs teaching, and just go out there and score.

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[RexBoyWonder]

The game is about buckets. We tend to over-complicate things.

Winslow is not talented in getting buckets. So he'll never be more then average, at best. You can improve, but his starting point is very low in term of god given talent to score in the game og basketball. That's the hard truth.

Some Centers might be great without that talent, but every other position/player in the NBA needs to be a talented shooter/scorer in order to be really good now days.

The lesson for the future should be - stop drafting guys that arn't good shooters/scorers. Unless they're a freak Center type.

[twix2500]

The game is about buckets. We tend to over-complicate things.

Winslow is not talented in getting buckets. So he'll never be more then average, at best. You can improve, but his starting point is very low in term of god given talent to score in the game og basketball. That's the hard truth.

Some Centers might be great without that talent, but every other position/player in the NBA needs to be a talented shooter/scorer in order to be really good now days.

The lesson for the future should be - stop drafting guys that arn't good shooters/scorers. Unless they're a freak Center type.

Winslow can't be this bad in any era. I don't care if its 1995.

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[Jstock12]

What happened? I thought his efficiency was pretty decent last season.

[Youngray29]

I'm beginning to think he's not that good.

The situation sucks. He essentially needed to be in a Devin Booker situation with max usage. We should stay far away from non top 5, 1 and dones. We simple do not have talent to risk playing guys like Bam and WInslow in non-limiting roles. If we can't commit to a rebuild you don't draft guys named WinsLow and Bam you draft more Jrichs. Guys who are more developed because they played multiple college seasons.

We essentially need to lose games playing guys like Bam and Winslow if want to develop them quicker. That's how functional team do it.

You'd probably feel differently if we had drafted Devin Booker, who was also a one and done. In fact he didn't even start for Kentucky, is a few month younger than Winslow, and was barely a lottery pick.

Would you rather have ended up with Frank Kaminsky. He had the 4 year pedigree, but he's just as big a bust as Winslow, and was never viewed as having an all star ceiling. That's the kind of draft strategy you're advocating for.

The only guy that played multiple years in college in the 5 picks after Winslow was Cameron Payne. The best talent doesn't stay in college anymore if they're gonna be a top 20 pick. And most of the guy drafted that high still only played 2 years. Doesn't make a huge difference in terms of development. Winslow has had plenty of time to develop, but the problem is he's jut not that good. Probably won't be very good when he's 26.

Plenty of one and done players picked in the late lotto work out just fine. Just this year Shai Gilgeous-Alexander was picked at 11, and he's already contributing. He might be steal of the draft.

You still always want to draft for upside, because this is a star based league. Josh Richardson is a very good player, and we lucked out with him. Most second round, four year draftees turn out to be nothing.

Our team's situation has locked us into mediocrity. It was a bad strategy to use all of our money on a team without a single player that's close to being an all star. Adding 2 more Josh Richardson's to this team would still leave us on the treadmill.

But just because we've been mediocre in free agency, I don't think you should compound the problem by ruling out young high upside players in the draft. Trying to draft win now players for a team that can't win isn't the way to go.

Why would I feel different if I know the only reason Jus played was because of his defense? Lol Spo and Riley don't like youth. Especially ones that can't defend.

Dont let golden situation in Pheonix fool you. On a playoff team Devin would develop a lot slower and would be specialist under a veteran coach.


Give me for 5 one and done picks that weren't drafted to tanking teams/ Non playoff teams that turned in to great players in the first 3 to 5 years. Especially ones outside of the top 5.

Also you wanna talk about our history and track records with young players? Straight out of high school or 1 and dones. We don't have a good one and we don't develop them properly. We do solid job developing developmental guys and multi year college players. lol You think a 19 year old Jrich would be awesome here?

The only draft that wasn't better than the 2015 draft is the 2016 draft not all draft are same.

[Youngray29]

A lot you folks get caught in that Devin Booker hype but understand this.

Suns dont play defense
Suns play at a much faster pace, we are polar opposites
Suns arent focused on win
Devin Booker is extremely ineffecient and overutilized

[Youngray29]

The game is about buckets. We tend to over-complicate things.

Winslow is not talented in getting buckets. So he'll never be more then average, at best. You can improve, but his starting point is very low in term of god given talent to score in the game og basketball. That's the hard truth.

Some Centers might be great without that talent, but every other position/player in the NBA needs to be a talented shooter/scorer in order to be really good now days.

The lesson for the future should be - stop drafting guys that arn't good shooters/scorers. Unless they're a freak Center type.

Winslow can't be this bad in any era. I don't care if its 1995.

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jaylen Brown and Winslow are shooting same percentage on lay ups. So how bad is he? Relax his 3 point percentage will get back to it's normal range of 32 to 36%.

[twix2500]

The game is about buckets. We tend to over-complicate things.

Winslow is not talented in getting buckets. So he'll never be more then average, at best. You can improve, but his starting point is very low in term of god given talent to score in the game og basketball. That's the hard truth.

Some Centers might be great without that talent, but every other position/player in the NBA needs to be a talented shooter/scorer in order to be really good now days.

The lesson for the future should be - stop drafting guys that arn't good shooters/scorers. Unless they're a freak Center type.

Winslow can't be this bad in any era. I don't care if its 1995.

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jaylen Brown and Winslow are shooting same percentage on lay ups. So how bad is he? Relax his 3 point percentage will get back to it's normal range of 32 to 36%.

Then you have never seen Winslow play. He never had range. Its not just his 3 pt shot. Its his ability to score anywhere on the court. When his percentage went up, he took less attempts and was real picky about taking them. Now that they are trying to give him the green light, he cant make em at a volume. He is a very slow shooter. He has to be wide open, his feet set and not rushed. If he is rushed and not set, he drops airballs. He probably got the franchise record for Airballs. I think he had two last game.

[Youngray29]

Winslow can't be this bad in any era. I don't care if its 1995.

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jaylen Brown and Winslow are shooting same percentage on lay ups. So how bad is he? Relax his 3 point percentage will get back to it's normal range of 32 to 36%.

Then you have never seen Winslow play. He never had range. Its not just his 3 pt shot. Its his ability to score anywhere on the court. When his percentage went up, he took less attempts and was real picky about taking them. Now that they are trying to give him the green light, he cant make em at a volume. He is a very slow shooter. He has to be wide open, his feet set and not rushed. If he is rushed and not set, he drops airballs. He probably got the franchise record for Airballs. I think he had two last game.

I watch damn near everything single game last season. Shooting 38% on 130 3 isn't being picky. Considering he doesn't have the ball in he hands( 16% utilization is not high) a lot. We have Jrich, Tyler, kelly, Ellington, Mcg, Goran who definitely should be shooting more 3s ahead of him. You guys needs to stop acting like he's Ben Simmons from 3. I've seen a lot of respectable shooters shoot air balls. He's an average shooter from 3 but 8 to 10 shots a game isn't a lot.

Anyways team should be tanking and a lot non future hofers should of been traded, they're just hindering progress. This team would have better future behind Jrich, Bam and Winslow getting max reps. Its already been proven that young players tend develop a lot faster and better when they teams do not prioritize High Salary Journeymen over in game development. Maybe we can actually draft young players who don't need the Devin Booker Reps to be good. Like I dont know, *cough* any of the 3 from Duke.

[Mos_Heat]

The game is about buckets. We tend to over-complicate things.

Winslow is not talented in getting buckets. So he'll never be more then average, at best. You can improve, but his starting point is very low in term of god given talent to score in the game og basketball. That's the hard truth.

Some Centers might be great without that talent, but every other position/player in the NBA needs to be a talented shooter/scorer in order to be really good now days.

The lesson for the future should be - stop drafting guys that arn't good shooters/scorers. Unless they're a freak Center type.

Winslow can't be this bad in any era. I don't care if its 1995.

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jaylen Brown and Winslow are shooting same percentage on lay ups. So how bad is he? Relax his 3 point percentage will get back to it's normal range of 32 to 36%.

yeah...that's not true.

[Youngray29]

Winslow can't be this bad in any era. I don't care if its 1995.

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jaylen Brown and Winslow are shooting same percentage on lay ups. So how bad is he? Relax his 3 point percentage will get back to it's normal range of 32 to 36%.

yeah...that's not true.

prior to 7pm last night they were both shooting 42% on layups do you want me to walk you through using BR shot finder? You got another source that says otherwise?

[Mos_Heat]

jaylen Brown and Winslow are shooting same percentage on lay ups. So how bad is he? Relax his 3 point percentage will get back to it's normal range of 32 to 36%.

yeah...that's not true.

prior to 7pm last night they were both shooting 42% on layups do you want me to walk you through using BR shot finder? You got another source that says otherwise?

Just compared their FG% around the rim