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Offseason thread vol. 4: Media Day, Camp, Preseason

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Re: Offseason thread vol. 4: Media Day, Camp, Preseason 

Post#241 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Wed Oct 9, 2019 7:24 pm

Spacely wrote:
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Bam loses an inch
Jimmy loses 2 inches
Dragic stays the same
UD stays the same
Herro loses an inch
Leonard loses an inch
KZ loses an inch
Olynyk loses an inch
Nunn loses an inch
Duncan loses an inch
Waiters loses an inch
Winslow loses an inch

Do y’all think Bam should play PF? Next to Leonard at the C would give us some height. Bams only 6’9


Dwight Howard is also 6'9.


Dwight was also averaging 16 & 12 by his second year, they aren’t really comparable. Bam is far inferior to Dwight at the age of their careers right now.


So why are you focused on Adebayo's height instead of his rebounding abilities?
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Post#242 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Wed Oct 9, 2019 7:33 pm

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Re: Offseason thread vol. 4: Media Day, Camp, Preseason 

Post#243 » by dean456 » Wed Oct 9, 2019 10:58 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
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Dwight Howard is also 6'9.


Dwight was also averaging 16 & 12 by his second year, they aren’t really comparable. Bam is far inferior to Dwight at the age of their careers right now.


So why are you focused on Adebayo's height instead of his rebounding abilities?


I respectfully disagree with this statement. To me context matters in this comparison.

Dwight averaged 12ppg and 10rpg in 32.6mpg his first year.
Dwight averaged 15.8ppg and 12.5rpg in 36.8mpg his second year.

Bam averaged 6.9ppg and 5.5rpg in 19.8mpg in his second year.
Bam averaged 8.9ppg and 7.3rpg in 23.3mpg in his second year.

To put that in context Dwight played a total of 2410 more minutes than Bam has through their first two seasons that's 50 more games of Bam playing all 48 mins. Granted Bam played 13 less games than Dwight did in his first year but Dwight will still have played roughly 44 more full games than Bam minutes wise. Also the roles they played for their teams was completely different.

Bam isn't inferior to Dwight. Right now Bam is a better shooter, FT shooter, ball handler, passer and on-ball defender than Dwight. Once given the opportunity he will prove to be a better scorer too. All Dwight has over him is rebounding and shot blocking.
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Re: Offseason thread vol. 4: Media Day, Camp, Preseason 

Post#244 » by twix2500 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:07 am

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Post#245 » by twix2500 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:17 am

I have been very disappointed in Bam so far. He is still struggling with his game creating points for self away from basket.
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Post#246 » by twix2500 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:21 am

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We have been hearing this before last season ended, that Spo ideally wants Waiters to be a sixth man. And Waiters continues to express he wants to start. Then Add that Dragic knee appears to not have healed and Herro has been very impressive, some interesting decision will have to be made.
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Post#247 » by kobewade11 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:25 pm

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JJ isn't playing because he didnt meet the teams desired weight requirement, not the same as Dion
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Post#248 » by fouled out boy » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:47 pm

Now I'm watching preseason games. How did I get to this.
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Post#249 » by fouled out boy » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:48 pm

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Post#250 » by AirP. » Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:39 pm

twix2500 wrote:We have been hearing this before last season ended, that Spo ideally wants Waiters to be a sixth man. And Waiters continues to express he wants to start. Then Add that Dragic knee appears to not have healed and Herro has been very impressive, some interesting decision will have to be made.


I think there's a lot of Spo/Riley looking at who can fit together(Leonard, some of the bench players) enough to allow others to be moved in trade offers(like Olynyk, he's a better asset then Leonard as of now). To me it's simple, you either showcase players or sit them so they don't get injured. I'd have to believe there are/have been trades talked about at the GM level that Riley could be talking himself into offering more IF he feels comfortable with the "next man up".

Duncan Robinson starting has been interesting, Spo could have easily moved Butler to the 3 and started Waiters(or even Dragic) but having that spread the court wing with Butler seems to be something he's wanting to look at. You have to admit that makes more sense then tossing Duncan in as the starting 3 if you're even considering putting Butler there for the season. You'd think getting your best player comfortable for his long term role would be one of the most important things as of now on a new team.

The contracts that Miami have been rumored to possibly move (Waiters, Dragic, Olynyk, JJ) didn't start game 1 and were showcased or didn't play game 2, it might mean something, it might mean nothing. If we're talking CP3 or even Beal, neither team is a contender but could quite possibly turn around and trade players they acquire to contenders for draft picks, possibly just 2nd rounders but still an asset.

Waiters
- Waiters is being fed some conditioning logic for keeping him out of the starting rotation(I don't think he fits in Miami's plans anymore, too ball/shot dominate). Think it's just something to say to keep Dion out of the starting lineup without being too angry and causing issues(which hurts Miami if they're looking to trade him) since he'll be a guy the other team knows they want to move.
- Showcased in the 2nd game, he is still young enough to be in a team's long term rotation plans and with that, an asset in a trade.

JJ
- Isn't even in camp for being out of shape... although Dion is in camp. (showcase vs sit out)
- Either you trade him to a contender or to non contender's he's just a contract to absorb. Even if a non contender trades for him, they could still trade him later to a contender for a 2nd rounder or so?

Dragic
- Didn't start game 1, held out of game 2.
- Although a borderline starter at this point, if a contender loses a starting PG, he'd be a nice short term solution.

I think Riley is looking to add another star and this season isn't important enough where a trade during preseason or the regular season that disrupts the team isn't that big of a concern.
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Re: Offseason thread vol. 4: Media Day, Camp, Preseason 

Post#251 » by kobewade11 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:18 pm

twix2500 wrote:I have been very disappointed in Bam so far. He is still struggling with his game creating points for self away from basket.


Fair to expect more from a guy this fanbase touted as untouchable all summer but I'll wait at least 20 live games to be disappointed.
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Re: Offseason thread vol. 4: Media Day, Camp, Preseason 

Post#253 » by Bishop45 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:38 pm

Guess it's expectation based, but I've been impressed with Bam. Not missing Hassan yet to this point
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Re: Offseason thread vol. 4: Media Day, Camp, Preseason 

Post#255 » by twix2500 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:20 pm

Keeping my eye on Kevin Love.

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Post#256 » by eddieheatfan » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:44 pm

twix2500 wrote:Keeping my eye on Kevin Love.

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do you think there's a chance for him to come here? also will dion ask for a trade if the heat refuses to start him in the upcoming season?? i just dont want any cancerous attitude behavior on this team,it is not need it right now
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Post#257 » by twix2500 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:54 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Keeping my eye on Kevin Love.

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do you think there's a chance for him to come here? also will dion ask for a trade if the heat refuses to start him in the upcoming season?? i just dont want any cancerous attitude behavior on this team,it is not need it right now
I think it's a better chance to get Love than Beal. Plus he knows how to be a star in the exact same role that Spo is using Robinson, Meyers and KO play. Waiters been loud and clear, don't need to ask me.

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Post#260 » by Beenie » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:16 pm

twix2500 wrote:
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twix2500 wrote:Keeping my eye on Kevin Love.

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do you think there's a chance for him to come here? also will dion ask for a trade if the heat refuses to start him in the upcoming season?? i just dont want any cancerous attitude behavior on this team,it is not need it right now
I think it's a better chance to get Love than Beal. Plus he knows how to be a star in the exact same role that Spo is using Robinson, Meyers and KO play. Waiters been loud and clear, don't need to ask me.

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Love is a risky acquisition considering his age and contract (about 30m per year through 22/23 season) and his injury history. My biggest concern, however, is that his game is seemingly contracting from a versatile low post player who can pass and shoot into merely a long range specialist. Granted, I haven't watched an abundant amount of Cavs games in recent years. If he indeed is traded to be a spot up baseline 3 point shooter, his contribution wouldnt warrant his contract.

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