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Bishop45 wrote:RiverboatRiles wrote:J-House wrote:According to his ig, J-Rich is in Miami rn
A lot of guys maintain an offseason residence in Miami. Nothing really to him being in the city.
Changed KobeWade11 for RiverboatRiles? Get ya' monies back mane
RiverboatRiles wrote:Bishop45 wrote:RiverboatRiles wrote:A lot of guys maintain an offseason residence in Miami. Nothing really to him being in the city.
Changed KobeWade11 for RiverboatRiles? Get ya' monies back mane
Waiters is dead to me
AirP. wrote:3ballbomber wrote:I agree for the most part but not necessarily every winner. If that was the case Miami should have won vs Mav in 2011. Miami should have won against Spurs in 2014 (who knows what happens if Ray Allen missis that 3 in gm6 the yr prior). Cavs shld have beaten GSW in 2015. La should've won vs Celts in 2008. Several other examples.
Yes, the lesser teams can win from time to time if they get breaks but the majority of the time it doesn't happen.3ballbomber wrote:We were also 2 gm's away frm winning vs Lakers. Depleted & banged up, we took LA to 6gm's. Who knows what results cld have been if Goran & Bam were 100%. Sometimes it's the best teams that wins. We currently have that winning, team oriented formula that can potentially beat the best 1-2 punch. Imagine we had Ibaka & Gallo for the finals, even w/out Goran & a less than 100% Bam i think we cld have won against LA who have the best 2 players in the series in Lebron & AD.
You can buck trends, but it takes something extraordinary....i believe we possess that special quality. Evident in the way we were able to beat the 1st (w/ the league MVP) & 3rd seed to advance to the finals & then compete vs West top team as a depleted unit.
Butler can be one of the best players on the court, it's why I've hated the idea of punting 2 seasons(not being as good as Miami could be) to get to the summer of 2021. Not agreeing with Gallo to a 3 year contract to trade for him may have actually cost Miami a title this year to maintain that cap space. Also if you go back to the game 2 thread in the finals I was disappointed in Butler's performance because I knew he had way more in him and then 2 of the next 4 games he showed that. Anyone that can drop 40 points in one half of an NBA game(which Butler has done) can become one of the best players on the court of a finals as long as he's in his prime. I just wish Butler would keep that scorer's mentality but he normally doesn't.
This finals was one of those finals unique situations, LA had the 2 best players, Miami had probably the next 3-5 best players which really evened the odds. LA should be better next year by having more options to put better teammates around LeBron and A, also LeBron probably has another 2-4 great years left with the amount of money he puts into resting his body after games.3ballbomber wrote:I also wouldn't count out Bam being 1 of the best 2 players if we reach the finals. Who knows what level he takes his game in the next few seasons. Remember he was our 2nd leading scorer going into the finals. Pair him with a solid big & consider improvements in his jumpshot & it could help to elevate his game further...
I think Bam can be really good, especially on the defensive end, but he's always going to have a ceiling on the offensive end, he's just not dynamic enough as a scorer at that level. He may add a decent outside shot but I'm pretty sure he'll never be someone you can go to late in the game and expect to win that way because you'll need to improvise some of your offense, possibly Herro gives Miami that in the long term. For Bam to be one of the 2 best players on the court he'd have to face a team with a problem at the center position like Boston had.
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Pascal Siakam averaged 22 PPG last season and people think that Bam can't be one of the best 2 players on the court in a Finals match? When it comes to believing in our players we're probably dead last on RealGM.
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Pascal Siakam averaged 22 PPG last season and people think that Bam can't be one of the best 2 players on the court in a Finals match? When it comes to believing in our players we're probably dead last on RealGM.
He's a player I think Miami needs to start looking at as a long term core player for the team and with that, alter the offense some to make better use of his talents. There are long stretches where Robinson doesn't shoot the ball and that shouldn't be happening to a shooter like him.
I think 1 more solid vet scorer(basically an upgrade at the opposite big of Bam) without disrupting much of the roster puts Miami in the position to be a legit contender. I think J.Butler can create enough winning plays near the end of games on both sides of the ball to win more close games than he loses, so to me it's all about keeping the score close for the first 3 1/2 quarters of a game which to me means good defense plus consistent scoring. Miami has the potential to be great on offense and defense and from time to time they look incredible, but it's not consistent and with that we see large swings in the scores in halves or whole games. I'm just about moving as little potential as Miami has to, to add a more consistent scorer to the team which will help Miami and Butler get to those final minutes and have a real chance at winning without having to spend so much energy just to catch up.
The biggest hurdle to doing this is maintaining magical cap space to add a top tier player when it should be possible to create the cap room that summer by offloading some of the talent or doing a sign and trade, much like Miami did with Butler this last year.
I'd personally just keep building towards being a better team, if you can maintain space for a max 2021 player sure, but I wouldn't just say no to becoming better the next 2 years because of it. Miami's not that far away from having a real chance, they just need more consistency that the young guys more than likely won't bring for a couple of years if they ever get consistent(some don't).
AirP. wrote:I have a question...
With Miami having no problem playing zone, would going after Gobert make sense for Miami, playing zone allows Gobert to not be played off the floor. I wouldn't give up Butler, Bam, Herro, or Robinson but really anything else would be available to add him. I believe the Jazz need to change their timeline and just completely build around Mitchell.
The reason I do think Bam, Gobert, and Butler can play together on the court is that I expect Bam and possibly Butler to have an acceptable catch and shoot 3 ball next season. Gobert would end up having to play Bam's spot on offense with Bam moving out to the corner 3 and sometimes cheating into the dunker's spot.
I would hate to see Boston move Hayward(in a package) back to Utah for Gobert which would give them another weapon to use when needed.
RiverboatRiles wrote:AirP. wrote:I have a question...
With Miami having no problem playing zone, would going after Gobert make sense for Miami, playing zone allows Gobert to not be played off the floor. I wouldn't give up Butler, Bam, Herro, or Robinson but really anything else would be available to add him. I believe the Jazz need to change their timeline and just completely build around Mitchell.
The reason I do think Bam, Gobert, and Butler can play together on the court is that I expect Bam and possibly Butler to have an acceptable catch and shoot 3 ball next season. Gobert would end up having to play Bam's spot on offense with Bam moving out to the corner 3 and sometimes cheating into the dunker's spot.
I would hate to see Boston move Hayward(in a package) back to Utah for Gobert which would give them another weapon to use when needed.
If the season starts in 2 months as speculated there's no reason to believe Jimmy or Bam is coming with a reliable catch and shoot 3 ball. I also can't think of any reason to give up major assets (which is what it would take to pull off a deal) for a guy that might command near a max deal next summer. If it was the "next thing" that Riley talked about then sure, but Gobert isnt that guy.
RiverboatRiles wrote:^ player bets are cool..but I've got 3 years worth of data that says if he's open from 3 he's not pulling the trigger. I don't doubt Bam could one day potentially be a guy that knocks down the occasional three ball, he's definitely capable, having the confidence to do it is another thing. Until it's proven I'm not banking on it, and I'm certainly not trading for a floor shrinking big either.
