Jazz Trade Proposal

[blackham9258]

I was wondering if this scenario could play out for a potential sign and trade.

In Jazz Land we believe that we are resigning Conley and that our only real competition for him is Miami. We think your first call is to Kawhi, 2nd Call to Lowry, and then Conley and by then the Jazz will have already locked up Conley.

However, if all heck breaks loose and you guys actually pull off a full 4 year contract with Kawhi you wouldn’t have space to sign Conley to the money he wants which is something in the 2/$35M-$40M Range Total.

Would you consider a S&T to get you an All Star PG to pair with Butler and Kawhi, and send us Duncan Robinson? Perhaps my additional thought is that Duncan would also feel like he has arrived and deserves not only to be paid like a starter, but to be a starter. He may like the idea of being our starting SG alongside Donovan who would be moving over to our Full Time PG in an offense that got up the most 3’s in the NBA last year. The Jazz would sign Duncan to a 4/$64-72M deal and roll with that, and sign a back up PG to back up Mitchell.

This is the only scenario I see you guys giving up Robinson, and the only scenario I see us passing up on resigning Conley.

Miami-Conley, Butler, Kawhi, PF TBD (Precious), Adebayo

Utah- Mitchell, Robinson, Bojan, Oneale, Gobert

[puppa bear]

Two things play into this:
1. Robinson will be BYC in his next contract, making a 1-for-1 trade super hard (he counts as like $4.7m outgoing for us - something like that, I’m too lazy to look it up right now). That means it has to be a bit more complex than just Robinson for Conley.

2. If we have Kawhi/Bam/Jimmy we need shooting surrounding them. Duncan does that, and in spades.

Given that to get Kawhi we’ve likely had to operate as an over-the-cap team and S&T, we need to be mindful of the hard cap. We can probably resign Nunn for 1/2 of what it costs to get Conley (or less) & combined with a vet min signing & Dipo (when he’s back), we get most of what Conley brings.

Also, having 3 max players and being hard capped is not a great thing for a team, as it basically means vet mins & rookies for most of the roster, and 1 or 2 bigger MLE sized deals. Conley limits us to being hard capped and only able to do mins the rest of the way.

I’m not against it, in principle, but the direction is likely not one we go in unless Conely is our big signing.

[HeatFanLifer]

puppa bear with the best analytical breakdown that I have seen in a while.

2 other quick things to add:

1) Kahwi does not want to come to Miami. The system is too rigged for him and he will earn way more staying on the Clippers.

2) Utah should not want D Rob. He fell off last season in 3 pt shooting and I do not see him thriving in any other system. He’s a weak rebounder and sub par defender too. The fact that he could potentially get a contract for $64-$72 mil is a joke.

[SA37]

I'd think Conley for Dragic would be the "natural" S&T deal, especially since Dragic is on such a friendly, short-term contract and would provide Utah with an immediate replacement for Conley. Dragic would be a great fit in Utah since he can play on or off the ball and he wouldn't have to play big minutes all year.

As for giving up Robinson, I really think it depends on price. Miami should keep Robinson if he is signed for under $15M a season (Robinson is not worth much more than the MLE, imo, but he'll get overpaid in this NBA). Anything above that and I would be inclined to sell. I'd push to expand the deal to include Bogdanovic.

Utah gets: Robinson and Dragic
Miami gets: Bogdanovic and Conley

In that scenario, I think Utah does as well as could be expected given Conley could potentially leave for nothing. I think Robinson could be a more effective player in a more liberal offense; my opinion is Spoelstra has hog-tied Robinson by asking him to just chuck 3s at all costs. It's beyond stupid.

[puppa bear]

puppa bear with the best analytical breakdown that I have seen in a while.

2 other quick things to add:

1) Kahwi does not want to come to Miami. The system is too rigged for him and he will earn way more staying on the Clippers.

2) Utah should not want D Rob. He fell off last season in 3 pt shooting and I do not see him thriving in any other system. He’s a weak rebounder and sub par defender too. The fact that he could potentially get a contract for $64-$72 mil is a joke.

Thanks Lifer!

I agree that Kawhi won’t come here - it’s a pipe dream, but the structure of our franchise just doesn’t suit him.

I think Duncan can thrive is other systems. Having another shooter, or a more dynamic lead guard who gets to the ring and line in volume would make defences have to adjust more. Teams can play as tight on him as they do because we don’t have a Lillard, Trae or a Mitchell.

His deficiencies are well chronicled, but they do have the two-time DPoY there to back him up …

[SA37]

puppa bear with the best analytical breakdown that I have seen in a while.

2 other quick things to add:

1) Kahwi does not want to come to Miami. The system is too rigged for him and he will earn way more staying on the Clippers.

2) Utah should not want D Rob. He fell off last season in 3 pt shooting and I do not see him thriving in any other system. He’s a weak rebounder and sub par defender too. The fact that he could potentially get a contract for $64-$72 mil is a joke.

Thanks Lifer!

I agree that Kawhi won’t come here - it’s a pipe dream, but the structure of our franchise just doesn’t suit him.

I think Duncan can thrive is other systems. Having another shooter, or a more dynamic lead guard who gets to the ring and line in volume would make defences have to adjust more. Teams can play as tight on him as they do because we don’t have a Lillard, Trae or a Mitchell.

His deficiencies are well chronicled, but they do have the two-time DPoY there to back him up …

I agree that Kawhi is a long shot. Even if Miami had a realistic chance at him, I would pass on Kawhi. He seems to be a diva -- a quiet diva -- but a high-maintenance primadonna who sits out on a whim a la Kyrie Irving. I don't think Leonard's attitude or mindset reciprocate the financial commitment required from the team.

[HeatIn5]

I kinda like that idea of a Duncan for Conley swap

Conley
Herro
Jimmy
Bam
KP (for Dragic/iggy/change)

[TroubleS0me]

Conley is good but he doesnt move the needle same with Lousy
Mithell would be great in a Heat uniform