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Post#721 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:56 pm

Bullock scored 20 or more points 5 times last regular season. Robinson scored 20 or more points 13 times last regular season and he had a "bad" year. People are forgetting just how lethal Robinson can be. You give him that contract.
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Post#722 » by AirP. » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:14 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Bullock scored 20 or more points 5 times last regular season. Robinson scored 20 or more points 13 times last regular season and he had a "bad" year. People are forgetting just how lethal Robinson can be. You give him that contract.


Is this how it works? If so Nunn scored 20 or more 14 times in 16 less games then Robinson last season, Oladipo scored 20+ points in 18 of 33 games last year.

BTW... teams had enough video of him after his big season and with that altered how they defended him. It's actually very possible what he did this year is what he'll continue to do moving forward, it's good but not anywhere near 15+ million good.
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Post#724 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:41 pm

AirP. wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Bullock scored 20 or more points 5 times last regular season. Robinson scored 20 or more points 13 times last regular season and he had a "bad" year. People are forgetting just how lethal Robinson can be. You give him that contract.


Is this how it works? If so Nunn scored 20 or more 14 times in 16 less games then Robinson last season, Oladipo scored 20+ points in 18 of 33 games last year.

BTW... teams had enough video of him after his big season and with that altered how they defended him. It's actually very possible what he did this year is what he'll continue to do moving forward, it's good but not anywhere near 15+ million good.


Robinson plays a different role from Nunn and Oladipo so the same logic would not apply. If the idea in your 3rd sentence was the case, Robinson wouldn't have progressed as the season went by. He just had a really bad start to the season. You need a shooter like Robinson most of the time to win a championship. The Clippers have multiple shooters in Marcus Morris and Kennard, the Hawks have Gallinari, the Nets got Joe Harris, etc.
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Post#725 » by Kobewade11 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:48 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Bullock scored 20 or more points 5 times last regular season. Robinson scored 20 or more points 13 times last regular season and he had a "bad" year. People are forgetting just how lethal Robinson can be. You give him that contract.

Nobody forgot. People just remember that when it matters most he can go cold at any given moment. See Bucks series and Finals last year. Giving Robinson a big deal is akin to giving a running back a big second deal when rookies and quality veterans are available..just a terrible allocation of space. You can get one dimensional shooters for cheap. Ellington and McDermott are out there, career 40% shooters. Defensive liabilities? Yep, just like Robinson, they just arent going to cost you 19 mil a year. Hell I’d rather pay Danny Green than Duncan.

The irony of mentioning Joe Harris after he shot the Nets out of the semis. He’s the poster for why you dont go big on Duncan.
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Post#726 » by HerroBalls » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:29 pm

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If it meant keeping Herro, I'd definitely do it.

Send Goran/Iggs where they want to go and sent those assets to Cleveland with Precious/KZ

Something like

To Miami - Love, Sexton
To Cleveland - Precious, KZ, Josh Richardson, Maxi Kleiber, JaMychal Green, PJ Dozier, future pick swaps
To Dallas - Goran
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Cleveland clears a ton of cap and gets expirings plus a few young guys in Precious, KZ, PJ


I just feel like there is no way we can beat a knicks deal if they want him


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Post#727 » by AirP. » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:48 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Bullock scored 20 or more points 5 times last regular season. Robinson scored 20 or more points 13 times last regular season and he had a "bad" year. People are forgetting just how lethal Robinson can be. You give him that contract.


Is this how it works? If so Nunn scored 20 or more 14 times in 16 less games then Robinson last season, Oladipo scored 20+ points in 18 of 33 games last year.

BTW... teams had enough video of him after his big season and with that altered how they defended him. It's actually very possible what he did this year is what he'll continue to do moving forward, it's good but not anywhere near 15+ million good.


Robinson plays a different role from Nunn and Oladipo so the same logic would not apply. If the idea in your 3rd sentence was the case, Robinson wouldn't have progressed as the season went by. He just had a really bad start to the season. You need a shooter like Robinson most of the time to win a championship. The Clippers have multiple shooters in Marcus Morris and Kennard, the Hawks have Gallinari, the Nets got Joe Harris, etc.

Ah yes, the last month of the year he did average the most points in a month at 14.1 ppg to raise his season average up to 13.1. Why wouldn't you give a guy who can just shoot 3s to the sweet tune of 13.5 ppg 1/7th of your total cap.

Robinson needs to go get the biggest overall deal he can, in a league where the AVERAGE for 3pt% almost 37%, I'm not paying a lot of money for someone who's only skill is making 40-42% of his 3s. Maybe if you're running an offense like Houston did with Harden he'd be worth that or if you're a championship level team looking to retain talent and you'll overpay for him, Miami isn't in that situation.
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Post#728 » by HerroBalls » Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:05 pm

AirP. wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Is this how it works? If so Nunn scored 20 or more 14 times in 16 less games then Robinson last season, Oladipo scored 20+ points in 18 of 33 games last year.

BTW... teams had enough video of him after his big season and with that altered how they defended him. It's actually very possible what he did this year is what he'll continue to do moving forward, it's good but not anywhere near 15+ million good.


Robinson plays a different role from Nunn and Oladipo so the same logic would not apply. If the idea in your 3rd sentence was the case, Robinson wouldn't have progressed as the season went by. He just had a really bad start to the season. You need a shooter like Robinson most of the time to win a championship. The Clippers have multiple shooters in Marcus Morris and Kennard, the Hawks have Gallinari, the Nets got Joe Harris, etc.

Ah yes, the last month of the year he did average the most points in a month at 14.1 ppg to raise his season average up to 13.1. Why wouldn't you give a guy who can just shoot 3s to the sweet tune of 13.5 ppg 1/7th of your total cap.

Robinson needs to go get the biggest overall deal he can, in a league where the AVERAGE for 3pt% almost 37%, I'm not paying a lot of money for someone who's only skill is making 40-42% of his 3s. Maybe if you're running an offense like Houston did with Harden he'd be worth that or if you're a championship level team looking to retain talent and you'll overpay for him, Miami isn't in that situation.




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Post#729 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:19 pm

AirP. wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Is this how it works? If so Nunn scored 20 or more 14 times in 16 less games then Robinson last season, Oladipo scored 20+ points in 18 of 33 games last year.

BTW... teams had enough video of him after his big season and with that altered how they defended him. It's actually very possible what he did this year is what he'll continue to do moving forward, it's good but not anywhere near 15+ million good.


Robinson plays a different role from Nunn and Oladipo so the same logic would not apply. If the idea in your 3rd sentence was the case, Robinson wouldn't have progressed as the season went by. He just had a really bad start to the season. You need a shooter like Robinson most of the time to win a championship. The Clippers have multiple shooters in Marcus Morris and Kennard, the Hawks have Gallinari, the Nets got Joe Harris, etc.

Ah yes, the last month of the year he did average the most points in a month at 14.1 ppg to raise his season average up to 13.1. Why wouldn't you give a guy who can just shoot 3s to the sweet tune of 13.5 ppg 1/7th of your total cap.

Robinson needs to go get the biggest overall deal he can, in a league where the AVERAGE for 3pt% almost 37%, I'm not paying a lot of money for someone who's only skill is making 40-42% of his 3s. Maybe if you're running an offense like Houston did with Harden he'd be worth that or if you're a championship level team looking to retain talent and you'll overpay for him, Miami isn't in that situation.


Ah yes, lets forget that he's extremely efficient and spaces the floor for us very well. I guess the Clippers shouldn't have gotten Marcus Morris. Had 2 20+ point games v. the Jazz but that doesn't matter.
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Post#730 » by HerroBalls » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:20 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Robinson plays a different role from Nunn and Oladipo so the same logic would not apply. If the idea in your 3rd sentence was the case, Robinson wouldn't have progressed as the season went by. He just had a really bad start to the season. You need a shooter like Robinson most of the time to win a championship. The Clippers have multiple shooters in Marcus Morris and Kennard, the Hawks have Gallinari, the Nets got Joe Harris, etc.

Ah yes, the last month of the year he did average the most points in a month at 14.1 ppg to raise his season average up to 13.1. Why wouldn't you give a guy who can just shoot 3s to the sweet tune of 13.5 ppg 1/7th of your total cap.

Robinson needs to go get the biggest overall deal he can, in a league where the AVERAGE for 3pt% almost 37%, I'm not paying a lot of money for someone who's only skill is making 40-42% of his 3s. Maybe if you're running an offense like Houston did with Harden he'd be worth that or if you're a championship level team looking to retain talent and you'll overpay for him, Miami isn't in that situation.


Ah yes, lets forget that he's extremely efficient and spaces the floor for us very well. I guess the Clippers shouldn't have gotten Marcus Morris. Had 2 20+ point games v. the Jazz but that doesn't matter.





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Post#731 » by AirP. » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:27 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Robinson plays a different role from Nunn and Oladipo so the same logic would not apply. If the idea in your 3rd sentence was the case, Robinson wouldn't have progressed as the season went by. He just had a really bad start to the season. You need a shooter like Robinson most of the time to win a championship. The Clippers have multiple shooters in Marcus Morris and Kennard, the Hawks have Gallinari, the Nets got Joe Harris, etc.

Ah yes, the last month of the year he did average the most points in a month at 14.1 ppg to raise his season average up to 13.1. Why wouldn't you give a guy who can just shoot 3s to the sweet tune of 13.5 ppg 1/7th of your total cap.

Robinson needs to go get the biggest overall deal he can, in a league where the AVERAGE for 3pt% almost 37%, I'm not paying a lot of money for someone who's only skill is making 40-42% of his 3s. Maybe if you're running an offense like Houston did with Harden he'd be worth that or if you're a championship level team looking to retain talent and you'll overpay for him, Miami isn't in that situation.


Ah yes, lets forget that he's extremely efficient and spaces the floor for us very well. I guess the Clippers shouldn't have gotten Marcus Morris. Had 2 20+ point games v. the Jazz but that doesn't matter.

Yes, a very efficient 13 points a game.

On Morris, he does a little more then just shoot 3s. If Robinson was the defensive equivalent to Morris at his position this wouldn't be nearly as bad of a possible contract.
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Post#732 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:37 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:Bullock scored 20 or more points 5 times last regular season. Robinson scored 20 or more points 13 times last regular season and he had a "bad" year. People are forgetting just how lethal Robinson can be. You give him that contract.

Nobody forgot. People just remember that when it matters most he can go cold at any given moment. See Bucks series and Finals last year. Giving Robinson a big deal is akin to giving a running back a big second deal when rookies and quality veterans are available..just a terrible allocation of space. You can get one dimensional shooters for cheap. Ellington and McDermott are out there, career 40% shooters. Defensive liabilities? Yep, just like Robinson, they just arent going to cost you 19 mil a year. Hell I’d rather pay Danny Green than Duncan.

The irony of mentioning Joe Harris after he shot the Nets out of the semis. He’s the poster for why you dont go big on Duncan.


Comparing Robinson to Ellington and McDermott is just ridiculous. It's like saying we should've resigned James Johnson and traded Bam. You replace Robinson with McDermott in the 2020-21 season and we're probably the 8th seed. All you guys are pretending as if there's no difference between Robinson and some random shooter in the league. Yeah, Joe Harris had a terrible series against the Nets but it happens to most role-players and then the next round or next playoff season they perform much better. Bogdan Bogdanovic played extremely well against the Bucks for the Hawks and he's getting paid the kind of money Robinson might be getting.
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Post#733 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:38 pm

AirP. wrote:
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AirP. wrote:Ah yes, the last month of the year he did average the most points in a month at 14.1 ppg to raise his season average up to 13.1. Why wouldn't you give a guy who can just shoot 3s to the sweet tune of 13.5 ppg 1/7th of your total cap.

Robinson needs to go get the biggest overall deal he can, in a league where the AVERAGE for 3pt% almost 37%, I'm not paying a lot of money for someone who's only skill is making 40-42% of his 3s. Maybe if you're running an offense like Houston did with Harden he'd be worth that or if you're a championship level team looking to retain talent and you'll overpay for him, Miami isn't in that situation.


Ah yes, lets forget that he's extremely efficient and spaces the floor for us very well. I guess the Clippers shouldn't have gotten Marcus Morris. Had 2 20+ point games v. the Jazz but that doesn't matter.

Yes, a very efficient 13 points a game.

On Morris, he does a little more then just shoot 3s. If Robinson was the defensive equivalent to Morris at his position this wouldn't be nearly as bad of a possible contract.


Morris doesn't play defense.
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Post#734 » by AirP. » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:01 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
AirP. wrote:
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Ah yes, lets forget that he's extremely efficient and spaces the floor for us very well. I guess the Clippers shouldn't have gotten Marcus Morris. Had 2 20+ point games v. the Jazz but that doesn't matter.

Yes, a very efficient 13 points a game.

On Morris, he does a little more then just shoot 3s. If Robinson was the defensive equivalent to Morris at his position this wouldn't be nearly as bad of a possible contract.


Morris doesn't play defense.

And yet he is way better defensively then Robinson, it's more of a dig of how bad Robinson is at defense. I guess you can argue Robinson tries more.
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Post#735 » by Kobewade11 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:11 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Comparing Robinson to Ellington and McDermott is just ridiculous. It's like saying we should've resigned James Johnson and traded Bam. You replace Robinson with McDermott in the 2020-21 season and we're probably the 8th seed. All you guys are pretending as if there's no difference between Robinson and some random shooter in the league. Yeah, Joe Harris had a terrible series against the Nets but it happens to most role-players and then the next round or next playoff season they perform much better. Bogdan Bogdanovic played extremely well against the Bucks for the Hawks and he's getting paid the kind of money Robinson might be getting.

See that's your problem. You're letting your emotion cloud your judgement. When I speak I'm speaking facts.


Per 36:

Ellington: 15.7 pts|42% 3P on 10 attempts
McDermott: 20 pts |39% 3P on 6.5 attempts
Duncan: 15 pts|41% 3P on 10 attempts

Bam: 20 pts|6 assists|10 rebounds
JJ: 12.7 pts|3 assists|6 rebounds

Now explain to me with facts and not emotion how is James freaking Johnson a more apt comparison to Bam than Duncan is to Wayne Ellington and Doug McDermott? We can train any high percentage shooter to jack up 9 3's a game like we did with Duncan last year, that doesn't make us a better team.
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Post#736 » by BenoUdrihFTL » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:15 pm

Marcus Morris was a major defensive liability for LAC this season. The team's DRTG was 115.0 with him on vs 109.0 with him off, so a worse defense by 6.0 with Morris in the game

Conversely, Heat were a 110.9 with Duncan on vs 113.9 with him off, so 3.0 better with Duncan in. That 110.9 mark would've been good for the the 6th best team DRTG in the NBA this season

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Post#737 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:16 pm

AirP. wrote:
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AirP. wrote:Yes, a very efficient 13 points a game.

On Morris, he does a little more then just shoot 3s. If Robinson was the defensive equivalent to Morris at his position this wouldn't be nearly as bad of a possible contract.


Morris doesn't play defense.

And yet he is way better defensively then Robinson, it's more of a dig of how bad Robinson is at defense. I guess you can argue Robinson tries more.


He's not way better defensively than Robinson. I don't understand why we shouldn't resign Robinson for around $18 million.
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Post#738 » by Feel_the_Heat15 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:25 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:
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Comparing Robinson to Ellington and McDermott is just ridiculous. It's like saying we should've resigned James Johnson and traded Bam. You replace Robinson with McDermott in the 2020-21 season and we're probably the 8th seed. All you guys are pretending as if there's no difference between Robinson and some random shooter in the league. Yeah, Joe Harris had a terrible series against the Nets but it happens to most role-players and then the next round or next playoff season they perform much better. Bogdan Bogdanovic played extremely well against the Bucks for the Hawks and he's getting paid the kind of money Robinson might be getting.

See that's your problem. You're letting your emotion cloud your judgement. When I speak I'm speaking facts.


Per 36:

Ellington: 15.7 pts|42% 3P on 10 attempts
McDermott: 20 pts |39% 3P on 6.5 attempts
Duncan: 15 pts|41% 3P on 10 attempts

Bam: 20 pts|6 assists|10 rebounds
JJ: 12.7 pts|3 assists|6 rebounds

Now explain to me with facts and not emotion how is James freaking Johnson a more apt comparison to Bam than Duncan is to Wayne Ellington and Doug McDermott? We can train any high percentage shooter to jack up 9 3's a game like we did with Duncan last year, that doesn't make us a better team.


Ellington had a career year :crazy:. It's an apt comparison because Duncan Robinson is way better than Ellington. McDermott plays even worse defense than Robinson which is why he only played 24.5 minutes per game.
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Post#739 » by greg4012 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:34 pm

Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Kobewade11 wrote:
Feel_the_Heat15 wrote:
Comparing Robinson to Ellington and McDermott is just ridiculous. It's like saying we should've resigned James Johnson and traded Bam. You replace Robinson with McDermott in the 2020-21 season and we're probably the 8th seed. All you guys are pretending as if there's no difference between Robinson and some random shooter in the league. Yeah, Joe Harris had a terrible series against the Nets but it happens to most role-players and then the next round or next playoff season they perform much better. Bogdan Bogdanovic played extremely well against the Bucks for the Hawks and he's getting paid the kind of money Robinson might be getting.

See that's your problem. You're letting your emotion cloud your judgement. When I speak I'm speaking facts.


Per 36:

Ellington: 15.7 pts|42% 3P on 10 attempts
McDermott: 20 pts |39% 3P on 6.5 attempts
Duncan: 15 pts|41% 3P on 10 attempts

Bam: 20 pts|6 assists|10 rebounds
JJ: 12.7 pts|3 assists|6 rebounds

Now explain to me with facts and not emotion how is James freaking Johnson a more apt comparison to Bam than Duncan is to Wayne Ellington and Doug McDermott? We can train any high percentage shooter to jack up 9 3's a game like we did with Duncan last year, that doesn't make us a better team.


Ellington had a career year :crazy:. It's an apt comparison because Duncan Robinson is way better than Ellington. McDermott plays even worse defense than Robinson which is why he only played 24.5 minutes per game.


You know the last time Ellington had a year as productive as this past season?

WHen he played for Miami. And he actually played more minutes per game in 2018 with Miami. Do you know why? Because Ellington has a skillset that Miami schemes and takes advantage of with his ability to run off screens and take catch and shoot 3s.

The fact that Duncan had the same level of productivity in that same situation should not be your argument as to why he should get paid anywhere close to $20M
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Post#740 » by gom » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:11 pm

Nigeria's first game is on Sunday 7/25. The same day the US men play France:

https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-games/en/results/basketball/olympic-schedule-and-results.htm

It's kind of weird to see olympic games that play before I usually wake up but it's worth it for me. Brazil's men beat Germany this morning, and yesterday our women played China. The US women are in the Olympics too and stumbled but they will be around at the end of the tournament anyhow.

So, yeah, let's go Gabe Vincent, KZ Okpala, & Precious Achiuwa! And, yeah, Bam too!
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