dean456 wrote:oreon wrote:dean456 wrote:
Better guys that can do at least that than guys like Okpala/Harkless doing neither. They are basically big man versions of Iguodala.
Also with guys like Bam and Jimmy playing big minutes you need guys who can fill a role like Robinson than someone like Myles Turner. I'd rather give up some paint points and have Jimmy and Bam able to live in the paint all game than have the paint clogged up and the paint protected.
Lowry can shoot. And all you are doing is swapping PJ with Turner, both are career 35 % shooters. And Herro with Duncan. Duncan is clearly a better shooter. But I think Herro should be able to shoot around 38 % from 3 and he offers more offensively. He's a career 37.5 so that's not much of a stretch.
And I'm looking at the matchups in the playoffs Turner is an upgrade over Duncan especially with what he can do defensively and on the boards. Myles is one of the best rim protectors and that would free Bam to guard the other teams best wing player. It would be a nightmare trying to score against Butler, Lowry, Bam and Turner. That would be easily one of the best defensive teams in recent years.
I don't think you can beat the Nets with offense. It would need to be with defense and you would need to pound them on the glass. If you can pull this trade off, it's a no brainer
Not only are you losing Duncan and replacing him with Turner in the starting lineup your also moving Herro from the bench to the starting SG spot leaving the bench with no clear scoring option for a good stretch of the game. Not only that but I'd also bet Herro wouldn't be as potent offensively playing more of his time sharing the ball with Butler, Lowry and Bam.
Personally I think Bam/Tucker would be a better defensive combo than Bam/Turner only because they are both able to switch on the perimeter and guard up on most guys. Turner is a great rim protector but he's not stopping guys on the perimeter. Good teams would hunt that matchup in the playoffs. Also Turner isn't exactly a good rebounder for his size with a career average of 6.6rpg.
If you look at Turner's shot chart and you will see that he utilizes a lot of the space that Bam does and a majority of his 3pt shots are from the top of the key. Tucker isn't good at much on offense but what he is above average at is corner 3's which opens things up for Bam and Jimmy's game better than Turner's would.
You lose
- An elite shooter
- Bench scoring
- Better perimeter defense
- Less complimentary players
And Gain
- Better rim protection
- More size
- Slightly better rebounding
We watched the playoffs and for half the games Tucker was just ineffective. He can't bring it every game. It worked with Bucks because they could rotate between him and Portis & Giannis at the 4 position. Our backup option is a min guy. This is a massive weakness. There are games where you won't be able to count on the shooting from that position and these guys at their point of their careers don't offer much else.
But with Turner he can do more. He can make that midrange and he can post up smaller guys. And you can stagger the minutes in a way that you have Bam or Turner in the game at all times and also Lowry or Herro in the game at all times. This will help mitigate the bench scoring you loose my moving Herro to the starting position.
Sure, Turner isn't the best perimeter big. But he can move his feet better than Lopez. And it will be styles matchups. If you can punish a small ball team enough in the paint, you can force them to go big.
The best team in the NBA is the Nets by far. I don't think you can beat them by trying to go small. And if you go small you better have good defenders in all positions. I think you need to go big. You need to punish and wear Durant out and force them to play a big.
And with the offense, you can still have top 10 offense. Lowry and Butler are great passers, Bam is a good passer. Herro and Myles are above average offensive players. It will be up to Spo to be creative and make it work.
I know Spo loves his small ball but I don't see any team stopping that Nets offense. You need to wear them down and generate 2nd chances. But with any move there are risks. And maybe Myles isn't the answer. But we need a better solution at the 4 and sacrificing Duncan to address it is an easy choice. I don't see us having a chance against Nets as is or beating the Bucks. We still need one more move, whatever that is
