Game 74: Fri, 3/25 Heat vs NYK 8:00 PM EST

[KingDavid]

A team with a huge rebounding problem playing Morris only 16 mins (despite playing really well) and a true C only 16 mins. What a joke. Fire Spo.

Best part....we went up double digits when it was Kieff/Dedmon on the floor together. We evened out the rebounding during that span. Spo needs to get his **** together fast. This has not been his best work.

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I'm thinking it's time to start Dedmon with Bam and Yurt off the bench with Morris. This small ball **** has run it's course. We've been hiding behind Herro. Either that or we need a center that stretches the floor, but that's more switching headaches as most centers can't guard perimeter players.

BTW, Bam only recorded 7 shots tonight (attempted about 3 more since he had 7 FTAs).

That’s herros fault for not throwing enough alley oops

You touched on a good point that I alluded to earlier: every team (except us) has a 2-man game with their best players.

Bam and Jimmy have no plays they run together, Herro and Bam rarely run PnR.

I'd say a lack of a 2-man game is why our offense stutters in the 4th quarter and why we can't close out games properly.

Another thing I was thinking of: back in the days, a 3pt specialist was used to punish defenses for double teaming. But, nowadays, we run plays specifically to get them open. I think this goes back to how our offense is fool's gold because we rely on Strus/Duncan to knock down 3s so much that, if they don't hit a high clip, we lose the game.

We're trying to win an analytics game instead of trying to win a basketball game.

Very well said. Don't we run a two-man with Herro/Bam? Why haven't we done that with Jimmy/Lowry and Bam more often?

3 things:

* I've mentioned before that we're very fortunate that teams don't run many backdoor cuts because we suck at defending them, but I also want to add that Jimmy is probably the most suspect out of all our guys.
* This is one of the follies of a switch defense - miscommunication. Bam signaled to Jimmy to switch and Jimmy either didn't see+hear him or didn't process it.
* Then again, it's probably a mistake to switch away from the ball as it can lead to confusion and there's not much need to switch in that situation.

Yikes...

[MHeat0279]

I'm glad someone else is saying it. Although I still think we should have went for a stretch 5. Myles Turner was right there.
I would have been fine with PJ Washington too. At least we'd have an actual 4 playing the 4 while still keeping the floor stretched. Instead of 3s and 2s attempting to hold down the fort to no avail.

i disagree somewhat, personnel isnt much of a problem as the coaching is, spo fails to do the proper adjustments when the team starts to lose leads and he's pretty stubborn with his fking rotations

coaching has to get smarter before you are thinking of changing players.

You all want to play big. And your answer is Yurt and Bam pairing. And we saw that and it didn't work. Yurt can't play center with Bam. Yurt is just not there defensively yet. And offensively the spacing will suck because Bam can't shoot 3s and Yurt can make the 3 here and there but he isn't a strech big. Previously when we went big we had KO or Myers Leonard who were both legitimate stretch bigs. We don't have a stretch big

Stop it with the Bam and Yurt pairing, you can play Bam and Dedmond or Yurt and Markieff, i will bet it will work better than the crap undersized scheme we run.

[Hallstar]

Happy I didn't see this foolishness

[MHeat0279]

Why do some of you lie so much lol. Now you wanted to see Dedmon play heavy minutes all along????? Like we're all upset about this **** show, but stop **** lying lol.

This team was capped in terms of potential this season when we didn't make a trade to get bigger and either get a stretch C, or bring in a real PF who could shoot to play next to Bam. Period. End of. We can fire Spo and trade Jimmy and Herro play 48 minutes tomorrow and it still won't change that.

When they're giving up rebounds just because of height all game long, either Dedmon or Yurtseven needed to play some minutes to quit those extra possessions. Dedmon played 16 minutes and was the highest +/- at +6. I'm talking bumping Bam to PF for 4-6 minutes when rebounding is a huge issue(not every night).

I understand Miami has built this team around a smaller switchable center but sometimes you need some size out there to slow up some of these teams getting multiple possessions.

Correct, and we should have gotten that size at the deadline to correct for this.

Dedmon and Yurtseven do not play big minutes on a championship caliber team and yall know it. Especially one without a legit one or even two superstars. We don't even have one superstar. But people want to act like Yogurt is the answer to the championship. Its maddening.

The thing is we are not a championship team, not at all. Proof of a different working approach was already displayed when Bam and Jimmy went out. If Yurt playing center is giving you such success, you just dont banish such player from the rotation, you work your starters around that, it was the best and most fluid basketball we have played in years.

[AirP.]

When they're giving up rebounds just because of height all game long, either Dedmon or Yurtseven needed to play some minutes to quit those extra possessions. Dedmon played 16 minutes and was the highest +/- at +6. I'm talking bumping Bam to PF for 4-6 minutes when rebounding is a huge issue(not every night).

I understand Miami has built this team around a smaller switchable center but sometimes you need some size out there to slow up some of these teams getting multiple possessions.

Correct, and we should have gotten that size at the deadline to correct for this.

Dedmon and Yurtseven do not play big minutes on a championship caliber team and yall know it. Especially one without a legit one or even two superstars. We don't even have one superstar. But people want to act like Yogurt is the answer to the championship. Its maddening.

The thing is we are not a championship team, not at all. Proof of a different working approach was already displayed when Bam and Jimmy went out. If Yurt playing center is giving you such success, you just dont banish such player from the rotation, you work your starters around that, it was the best and most fluid basketball we have played in years.

The reason Miami was winning games without Butler and Bam is because they had the generic type players to win in the current era, lots of 3pt shooting to stretch out the defense and a legit sized big to have a lot of room to operate and most of the time only 1 other player with size to fight against for rebounds and this is the formula that has been beating Miami the last 3 games. Is it a concern? Yes and no because if you're going against a team like that in a 7 game series you'll adjust to those teams with how you play and with some personnel but in the regular season you're not making drastic changes night by night just to get a regular season win unless you absolutely have to.

The thing that does concern me is Miami's offense, in the 4th quarter 5 TOs, 2 AST, 5-18 shooting, 2-9 3s and only 4 FTs.

It's a tale of 2 halves for Miami...
1st half 11 ast, 5 TOs
2nd half 4 ast, 10 TOs.

Looking at ORTG-DRTG to really get the impact, although I look at +/- in the box score it doesn't really let you know how much that individual really contributed to both sides of the ball. Miami's top 3 once again wasn't the issue, it was everyone else, the question is how does Miami get the roleplayers back to contributing at just an even ORTG-DRTG level?

ORTG-DRTG for Miami vs NY
Roleplayers were bad

Spoiler:

Butler +8
Lowry +1
Bam +39
Tucker -41
Robinson -58
Strus -29
Martin -75
Dedmon -34
Morris +56

For the Knicks it's simple.

Spoiler:

Quickly +58
Toppin +42
Sims +45
Robinson +32

Looking back at the GS game for Miami ORTG-DRTGs
Bam and the roleplayers were bad.

Spoiler:

Butler +1
Lowry +46
Bam -15
Tucker -21
Robinson -21
Oladipo -66
Strus -135 (he had 0 for ORTG)
Martin -119 (he had 0 for ORTG)
Dedmon +11

[IggieCC]

Didn’t watch the game, but looks like things went well

[MHeat0279]

Correct, and we should have gotten that size at the deadline to correct for this.

Dedmon and Yurtseven do not play big minutes on a championship caliber team and yall know it. Especially one without a legit one or even two superstars. We don't even have one superstar. But people want to act like Yogurt is the answer to the championship. Its maddening.

The thing is we are not a championship team, not at all. Proof of a different working approach was already displayed when Bam and Jimmy went out. If Yurt playing center is giving you such success, you just dont banish such player from the rotation, you work your starters around that, it was the best and most fluid basketball we have played in years.

The reason Miami was winning games without Butler and Bam is because they had the generic type players to win in the current era, lots of 3pt shooting to stretch out the defense and a legit sized big to have a lot of room to operate and most of the time only 1 other player with size to fight against for rebounds and this is the formula that has been beating Miami the last 3 games. Is it a concern? Yes and no because if you're going against a team like that in a 7 game series you'll adjust to those teams with how you play and with some personnel but in the regular season you're not making drastic changes night by night just to get a regular season win unless you absolutely have to.

The thing that does concern me is Miami's offense, in the 4th quarter 5 TOs, 2 AST, 5-18 shooting, 2-9 3s and only 4 FTs.

It's a tale of 2 halves for Miami...
1st half 11 ast, 5 TOs
2nd half 4 ast, 10 TOs.

Looking at ORTG-DRTG to really get the impact, although I look at +/- in the box score it doesn't really let you know how much that individual really contributed to both sides of the ball. Miami's top 3 once again wasn't the issue, it was everyone else, the question is how does Miami get the roleplayers back to contributing at just an even ORTG-DRTG level?

ORTG-DRTG for Miami vs NY
Roleplayers were bad

Spoiler:

Butler +8
Lowry +1
Bam +39
Tucker -41
Robinson -58
Strus -29
Martin -75
Dedmon -34
Morris +56

For the Knicks it's simple.

Spoiler:

Quickly +58
Toppin +42
Sims +45
Robinson +32

Looking back at the GS game for Miami ORTG-DRTGs
Bam and the roleplayers were bad.

Spoiler:

Butler +1
Lowry +46
Bam -15
Tucker -21
Robinson -21
Oladipo -66
Strus -135 (he had 0 for ORTG)
Martin -119 (he had 0 for ORTG)
Dedmon +11

Did you see the nicks geting 2nd chance after 2nd chance? That is what killed us once again. I think our starters played good, even if the bench did not produced as expected we win the game if not for the multiple 2nd chances they got.

[AirP.]

Did you see the nicks geting 2nd chance after 2nd chance? That is what killed us once again. I think our starters played good, even if the bench did not produced as expected we win the game if not for the multiple 2nd chances they got.

Absolutely, but these numbers are a calculation of what that player contributed on both sides of the floor, these aren't the generic NBA.Com numbers so if rebounding was a huge issue then it should be reflected in these numbers for each person that was part of the problem. An individual doesn't have to get a rebound to help the team get a defensive rebound. This is just a catch all for a player's impact, you can then go deeper to figure out the particular issues, these just are simple ways to see how effective or ineffective a player was for that time period.

Take Herro for example, his first 2 1/2 seasons he was horrible but people saw the scoring. Now for the last 2 months he's been not only positive but he's around Bam level of positive (both very far behind Butler), hopefully it's just not a hot streak or teams not game planning him very well yet.

[goodboy]

This is a W imho

[IggieCC]

This is a W imho

[goodboy]

previous op and previous previous op got nothing on my guy bish

[goodboy]

oh wait wrong game thread

[KingDavid]

Correct, and we should have gotten that size at the deadline to correct for this.

Dedmon and Yurtseven do not play big minutes on a championship caliber team and yall know it. Especially one without a legit one or even two superstars. We don't even have one superstar. But people want to act like Yogurt is the answer to the championship. Its maddening.

The thing is we are not a championship team, not at all. Proof of a different working approach was already displayed when Bam and Jimmy went out. If Yurt playing center is giving you such success, you just dont banish such player from the rotation, you work your starters around that, it was the best and most fluid basketball we have played in years.

The reason Miami was winning games without Butler and Bam is because they had the generic type players to win in the current era, lots of 3pt shooting to stretch out the defense and a legit sized big to have a lot of room to operate and most of the time only 1 other player with size to fight against for rebounds and this is the formula that has been beating Miami the last 3 games. Is it a concern? Yes and no because if you're going against a team like that in a 7 game series you'll adjust to those teams with how you play and with some personnel but in the regular season you're not making drastic changes night by night just to get a regular season win unless you absolutely have to.

The thing that does concern me is Miami's offense, in the 4th quarter 5 TOs, 2 AST, 5-18 shooting, 2-9 3s and only 4 FTs.

It's a tale of 2 halves for Miami...
1st half 11 ast, 5 TOs
2nd half 4 ast, 10 TOs.

Looking at ORTG-DRTG to really get the impact, although I look at +/- in the box score it doesn't really let you know how much that individual really contributed to both sides of the ball. Miami's top 3 once again wasn't the issue, it was everyone else, the question is how does Miami get the roleplayers back to contributing at just an even ORTG-DRTG level?

ORTG-DRTG for Miami vs NY
Roleplayers were bad

Spoiler:

Butler +8
Lowry +1
Bam +39
Tucker -41
Robinson -58
Strus -29
Martin -75
Dedmon -34
Morris +56

For the Knicks it's simple.

Spoiler:

Quickly +58
Toppin +42
Sims +45
Robinson +32

Looking back at the GS game for Miami ORTG-DRTGs
Bam and the roleplayers were bad.

Spoiler:

Butler +1
Lowry +46
Bam -15
Tucker -21
Robinson -21
Oladipo -66
Strus -135 (he had 0 for ORTG)
Martin -119 (he had 0 for ORTG)
Dedmon +11

There it is, my favorite stat. Ortg-Dtrg=X there really needs to be a name for this stat because it's very spot on when determining performances.